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- DigitalBaka
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I believe I have sent out FRs to everyone but will double check my list.
Toyota 86 Tuning Challenge *Results Are In*
- Thread starter HaylRayzor
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- HaylRayzor
I have added links to the results from Ronald, DigitalBaka, and Mrtrent.
All testers post your results in one post so I can link to them in the op.
All testers post your results in one post so I can link to them in the op.
gamerdog6482
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- Gamerdog6482
All right, I just got about 10 FR's so I'll start testing, uh, soon...
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gamerdog6482
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- HaylRayzor
Just keep using that post for your ressults. I'm linking it in the op.
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- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
For anyone interested in trying my Classic 86 I recommend that you read Ronald6 review that he posted in my Garage. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7362987#post7362987
As he says if your used to the more forgiving nature and better grip that wider more modern tires provide your in for a shock. Given a little respect and driven properly it can be a lot of fun but you have to give it your full attention when hotlapping at the limits. While the car won't try to kill you and remains fairly easy to control at all times it requires a bit of finesse to get the best lap times instead of performing an endless series of drifts.
As he says if your used to the more forgiving nature and better grip that wider more modern tires provide your in for a shock. Given a little respect and driven properly it can be a lot of fun but you have to give it your full attention when hotlapping at the limits. While the car won't try to kill you and remains fairly easy to control at all times it requires a bit of finesse to get the best lap times instead of performing an endless series of drifts.
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XDesperado67
To quote Bill Cosby, "Riiiiight." Lol
I had an image of you sitting next to me with a revolver in your hand pointed at my head screaming, "Don't even thing about slowing down, (censored)," all red faced. That car will kill anyone at the drop of a feather.
But massive fun. I plan on building a copy tomorrow when I can send it to myself (alternate account).
Trying to keep the car 'on point' is addictive.
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- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
My "Holy Handgrenade" and the "Spectre" are cars that will try and kill you...for that matter my "Purple People Eater" is less forgiving. Generally the "Sunshine Express" won't get so out of shape that you can't recover it, of course your lap time will suffer along with your pride but its unlikely to just suddenly decide to launch you at the nearest barrier with no hope of avoiding doom...
Hmmm looking at some of my favorite cars and their tunes I seem to have quite a few that reward a gentle touch despite being more of a mash it and go type driver.
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- HaylRayzor
Given the wide variation in lap times and feedback for my tune, I felt I should add my own feedback. Just another data point. Yes I know my lap time doesn't count for the challenge.
I use all of the available track, including the curbs. I used ABS1 and TCS1 on this run. I didn't realize the TCS was on until I was watching the replay.
I use all of the available track, including the curbs. I used ABS1 and TCS1 on this run. I didn't realize the TCS was on until I was watching the replay.
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- DigitalBaka
- DigitalBaka587
Is that your fastest lap or just one you managed to save? I ask because I got it to run faster which, given a comparison of our times in general, is odd. Especially so given I don't normally like to run cars quite as loose as yours was. 
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- HaylRayzor
Is that your fastest lap or just one you managed to save? I ask because I got it to run faster which, given a comparison of our times in general, is odd. Especially so given I don't normally like to run cars quite as loose as yours was.
It's the fastest that I saved. Later I ran a 43.0 but didn't save it.
What time did you run? The FT86 is the only car not listed in your test results...
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- DigitalBaka
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I still need to update the list but it was a 42.8something. Running the last Scion now and will get everything posted probably in the morning. Or if I'm not exhausted I'llat least get the times up.
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- HaylRayzor
Considering the number of testers that haven't turned in times and the inconvenience of breaking in Scions I won't hold to the deadline. I will hold off till next week.
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- DigitalBaka
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- GTP_Sparkaloo
My procedure for test: I gave each car nine laps on the Nurburgring GP/D (offline) with grip at track edges set to real and damage set to none. I only managed to complete testing on the GT 86s, and the two tuned Concept versions. I look forward to testing out the other tunes in the future. Only the best time from each car's nine laps is submitted.
Results
praiano63 - Toyota 86 GT '12 1:44.746
HaylRayzor - Toyota FT-86 Concept '09 1:44.779
NEWDRIVER2 - Toyota 86 GT '12 1:44.825
USARMYCOMBATVET - Toyota 86 GT '12 1:44.871
VitRoj - Toyota FT-86 II Concept '11 1:45.170
VitRoj - Toyota 86 GT '12 1:45.345
Notes
Using G27 Racing Wheel
My driving settings: Manual Transmission (paddle shift, no clutch used)
No Driving Line,
No TCS
No SRF
No Active Steering
No ASM
ABS: 1
Tire wear: off
Grip Reduction on wet/edge: real
mechanical damage: none
controller sensitivity: 7
Notes are given in the order the cars were tested.
HaylRayzor's Toyota FT-86 Concept '09 (first nine laps):
I really enjoyed the spirited feeling of the steering in this car. The initial turn in was not overly sensitive, but once the weight of the car settled into the turn the balance and sensitivity were both very high. On turn exit this car can punish you. It has just enough torque per kg that the differential setting alone will not save you from some turn exit oversteer. With a cautious throttle this car feels very quick and with even more practice, it is easy to see how whole seconds could be shaved with this set-up. This car's best corners come in the three turns in which a crest occurs the first turn inside the Mercedes Arena, the beginning of the Conti-Spange, and especially the Bit-Kurve. Transmission set beautifully for the course and utilized gears 2 through 6 (rolling start). I have a suspicion that this may not be the fast car of the lot merely because it demands spot on driver inputs and the scores for this tuner challenge come from an average of everyone's best lap times. This may favor a car that has a more accessible set-up, regardless of the possibility that this may have the best potential to get around the track the quickest (lightest of the bunch, for sure).
NEWDRIVER2's Toyota 86 GT '12 (first nine laps):
This car feels immensely more sure-footed than the Concept '09 from Hayl. It's a completely different thing. It feels very solid at all parts of the turn and adds to a driver's confidence in the way it feels to be set up for understeer and traction everywhere. Only with driver inputs that would spin any rear-drive car does this car tend to loose either or both tires in the back.
I think just as its solid feel is this car's strength; its tendency towards understeer keeps it from the fastest of lap times. It is a superb car to drive for long stretches as it is forgiving for lapses in driver concentration. It takes an extra fraction of a second to set up for a turn, however, and must be pretty much dive-bombed through corners pushing the tires beyond their limits to really get the most out of the chassis.
Nofxmike06's Toyota 86 GT '12 (first nine laps): Before hitting the track I compared the stats that his car had posted to what actually came when I borrowed the car. The transmission was completely different, gears 1-6, final ratio, and top speed setting. Also the suspension was different from what was posted as well. The ride heights have been lowered to -12/-10, and the Ext was changed in front. I drove it as borrowed and noted down the new (current) settings. This is not unique to Mike's setup. The other two cars I tested via borrowing also had a tweak or two to the numbers settings; I have yet to discover different parts on the car compared to online posts.
I think the corner in this course that makes a car's feel the most obvious is the mid to high speed corner of Bit-Kurve. This is the corner that starts to drop down a hill as you clear its apex. It is somewhat rounded and leads to the long back straight with the slink right kink in it. It's an important corner, because your exit speed here determines your starting speed entering a very long straight of full throttle acceleration. These 86 GTs seem to have trouble here. They seem to resist hugging to the inside then, while getting back on the throttle, fading back to the outside huge curbing at this corner's exit. As a driver I feel as though I'm losing a lot of momentum through this section, particularly when I manage the corner well and land my fastest times at the course.
Driver2's work here does not feel drastically different from nofxMike's. They will earn you nearly identical lap times at GP-D, and they drive much the same. The defining characteristics are very solid mid corner and corner exit stability which tends towards understeer. My biggest complaint is that it is hard to tell when there is good weight on the front tires which signals to me that my turn in/steering response is at its best. As a result, using this car a driver must simply discipline him/herself to tap the breaks or ride them very lightly to get the best steering, particularly at turn in.
VitRoj's Toyota 86 GT '12
I noticed that Roj's online GT 86 perfectly matched the tuning settings that he posted online. 325 km showed on the odometer when I borrowed the car.
As far as fun to drive and predictable, I think this tune takes the cake. My times steadily improved over the course of the nine test laps, and I had only one red lap (and off at a place that was embarrasing driver error the corner prior to the Bit-Kurve). Since the huge marks left by the red hot front tires are not a worry in a no-tire-wear situation, there was much left to critique about this tune. I think its strongest turns those all important turns in the midst of cresting a hill.
I think the turn in might be the most comfortable of all the tunes I've driven so far. I think it was also very easy to save the very rare oversteering moments. What I grew to really like about this car was its tendency to be very sensitive to turn-in after breaking downhill. This car was at its best, or at least felt the best of those tested so far, at the gradual left hander within the Mercedes Arena area. Here we reached the upper reaches of third gear and trail brake still angled down the hill into the second gear turn to set up for the quickly approaching tight right hander with a big curb. This car seemed to have an instinct to turn under this set of conditions, which I thought was superb. With a little more practice I know this car could reach the others' times.
Praiano63
Since his car was not available to me as a loan (has not responded to my friend request), I was forced to make up my best effort at imitation. I only broke in the car to get it up to 450PP without any engine limiter.
This may have a small effect on the results. I left the practice area at least once every three laps to ensure that my PP did not ever go over 450PP.
The results are that I achieved my fastest lap time (by less than a tenth of a second) with this car. Perhaps because of the high Extension settings on the suspension, I didn't think this car had the most comfortable of feels. Is this important in getting the fastest lap time? Certainly not. It was evident through the feedback of the wheel that this car keeps itself flat through the corners. This car was predictable, easy to drive, and still has the solid, under-drive-leanings of all of its GT 86 brethren. The only significant difference between this one and the others may come from the transmission, I used only gears 1-5 on this one.
VitRoj FT-86 II Concept '11
I managed a slightly faster time with this one, probably due to more practice. The tune itself is exactly the same. Oil wear may have improved this car's time, because I broke mine in to just the fully broken in point (and the darkness is creeping into the oil color).
Results
praiano63 - Toyota 86 GT '12 1:44.746
HaylRayzor - Toyota FT-86 Concept '09 1:44.779
NEWDRIVER2 - Toyota 86 GT '12 1:44.825
USARMYCOMBATVET - Toyota 86 GT '12 1:44.871
VitRoj - Toyota FT-86 II Concept '11 1:45.170
VitRoj - Toyota 86 GT '12 1:45.345
Notes
Using G27 Racing Wheel
My driving settings: Manual Transmission (paddle shift, no clutch used)
No Driving Line,
No TCS
No SRF
No Active Steering
No ASM
ABS: 1
Tire wear: off
Grip Reduction on wet/edge: real
mechanical damage: none
controller sensitivity: 7
Notes are given in the order the cars were tested.
HaylRayzor's Toyota FT-86 Concept '09 (first nine laps):
I really enjoyed the spirited feeling of the steering in this car. The initial turn in was not overly sensitive, but once the weight of the car settled into the turn the balance and sensitivity were both very high. On turn exit this car can punish you. It has just enough torque per kg that the differential setting alone will not save you from some turn exit oversteer. With a cautious throttle this car feels very quick and with even more practice, it is easy to see how whole seconds could be shaved with this set-up. This car's best corners come in the three turns in which a crest occurs the first turn inside the Mercedes Arena, the beginning of the Conti-Spange, and especially the Bit-Kurve. Transmission set beautifully for the course and utilized gears 2 through 6 (rolling start). I have a suspicion that this may not be the fast car of the lot merely because it demands spot on driver inputs and the scores for this tuner challenge come from an average of everyone's best lap times. This may favor a car that has a more accessible set-up, regardless of the possibility that this may have the best potential to get around the track the quickest (lightest of the bunch, for sure).
NEWDRIVER2's Toyota 86 GT '12 (first nine laps):
This car feels immensely more sure-footed than the Concept '09 from Hayl. It's a completely different thing. It feels very solid at all parts of the turn and adds to a driver's confidence in the way it feels to be set up for understeer and traction everywhere. Only with driver inputs that would spin any rear-drive car does this car tend to loose either or both tires in the back.
I think just as its solid feel is this car's strength; its tendency towards understeer keeps it from the fastest of lap times. It is a superb car to drive for long stretches as it is forgiving for lapses in driver concentration. It takes an extra fraction of a second to set up for a turn, however, and must be pretty much dive-bombed through corners pushing the tires beyond their limits to really get the most out of the chassis.
Nofxmike06's Toyota 86 GT '12 (first nine laps): Before hitting the track I compared the stats that his car had posted to what actually came when I borrowed the car. The transmission was completely different, gears 1-6, final ratio, and top speed setting. Also the suspension was different from what was posted as well. The ride heights have been lowered to -12/-10, and the Ext was changed in front. I drove it as borrowed and noted down the new (current) settings. This is not unique to Mike's setup. The other two cars I tested via borrowing also had a tweak or two to the numbers settings; I have yet to discover different parts on the car compared to online posts.
I think the corner in this course that makes a car's feel the most obvious is the mid to high speed corner of Bit-Kurve. This is the corner that starts to drop down a hill as you clear its apex. It is somewhat rounded and leads to the long back straight with the slink right kink in it. It's an important corner, because your exit speed here determines your starting speed entering a very long straight of full throttle acceleration. These 86 GTs seem to have trouble here. They seem to resist hugging to the inside then, while getting back on the throttle, fading back to the outside huge curbing at this corner's exit. As a driver I feel as though I'm losing a lot of momentum through this section, particularly when I manage the corner well and land my fastest times at the course.
Driver2's work here does not feel drastically different from nofxMike's. They will earn you nearly identical lap times at GP-D, and they drive much the same. The defining characteristics are very solid mid corner and corner exit stability which tends towards understeer. My biggest complaint is that it is hard to tell when there is good weight on the front tires which signals to me that my turn in/steering response is at its best. As a result, using this car a driver must simply discipline him/herself to tap the breaks or ride them very lightly to get the best steering, particularly at turn in.
VitRoj's Toyota 86 GT '12
I noticed that Roj's online GT 86 perfectly matched the tuning settings that he posted online. 325 km showed on the odometer when I borrowed the car.
As far as fun to drive and predictable, I think this tune takes the cake. My times steadily improved over the course of the nine test laps, and I had only one red lap (and off at a place that was embarrasing driver error the corner prior to the Bit-Kurve). Since the huge marks left by the red hot front tires are not a worry in a no-tire-wear situation, there was much left to critique about this tune. I think its strongest turns those all important turns in the midst of cresting a hill.
I think the turn in might be the most comfortable of all the tunes I've driven so far. I think it was also very easy to save the very rare oversteering moments. What I grew to really like about this car was its tendency to be very sensitive to turn-in after breaking downhill. This car was at its best, or at least felt the best of those tested so far, at the gradual left hander within the Mercedes Arena area. Here we reached the upper reaches of third gear and trail brake still angled down the hill into the second gear turn to set up for the quickly approaching tight right hander with a big curb. This car seemed to have an instinct to turn under this set of conditions, which I thought was superb. With a little more practice I know this car could reach the others' times.
Praiano63
Since his car was not available to me as a loan (has not responded to my friend request), I was forced to make up my best effort at imitation. I only broke in the car to get it up to 450PP without any engine limiter.
This may have a small effect on the results. I left the practice area at least once every three laps to ensure that my PP did not ever go over 450PP.
The results are that I achieved my fastest lap time (by less than a tenth of a second) with this car. Perhaps because of the high Extension settings on the suspension, I didn't think this car had the most comfortable of feels. Is this important in getting the fastest lap time? Certainly not. It was evident through the feedback of the wheel that this car keeps itself flat through the corners. This car was predictable, easy to drive, and still has the solid, under-drive-leanings of all of its GT 86 brethren. The only significant difference between this one and the others may come from the transmission, I used only gears 1-5 on this one.
VitRoj FT-86 II Concept '11
I managed a slightly faster time with this one, probably due to more practice. The tune itself is exactly the same. Oil wear may have improved this car's time, because I broke mine in to just the fully broken in point (and the darkness is creeping into the oil color).
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- HaylRayzor
Golyadkin, are you testing the Scions?
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- paracuru
- praiano63
Thanks for the test. The car is hosted by DigitalBaka.I can't fix the ratios because i have no game for the moment. It seems he didn't change the gears yet, but it's ok. No problem!! Sure the car would be faster with 6 gears.
Fast lap time is important ????? Certanily YES. At least for me and anybody that race online against others fast drivers with fast cars.
Have a good day everybody.
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Golyadkin
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- MSTER232
- PS3 =/= Xbox 360
I am really sorry that I haven't been able to test anyone's cars yet. I'm currently sorting something out with my rig and haven't been able to play Gran Turismo 5 with my DFGT for a while.
Just as a reminder for the cars that I still need to test, please send me a PM on PSN mentioning that I haven't tested your car setup yet.
Just as a reminder for the cars that I still need to test, please send me a PM on PSN mentioning that I haven't tested your car setup yet.
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- HaylRayzor
Testing will be closing on Sunday. If you still haven't broken in a couple of Scions better get cracking. 
gamerdog6482
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- Gamerdog6482
I do apoligize, but I must drop out of this competition. My times for the FT-86 stand, but I will not be testing any other cars.
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- HaylRayzor
I will remove your name from the tester list.
Unfortunately your times will not count because you didn't test all cars. It's just a matter of fairness.
gamerdog6482
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- Gamerdog6482
All right.
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- HaylRayzor
It's starting to look like we may only get complete results for 2 testers. 
But even after testing is closed I'll still accept results for anybody that is willing to test all cars.
But even after testing is closed I'll still accept results for anybody that is willing to test all cars.
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lldantell
Hi mate iam not tester her just tuner
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lldantell
Maybe he didn't bought the DLC and also you can't share this scions .
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- HaylRayzor
Not to be harsh, but it was stated in the op that you had to build the Scions. Anybody who didn't have them shouldn't volunteer to be a tester.
I will post the results from the 2 testers that drove all cars. If anybody else wants to test them I'll add those results later.
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- HaylRayzor
Results
.............hayl.... rabbit usarmy dante.. vtiroj.. praiano krenk newdriver
ronald... 45.001 44.725 44.354 45.624 46.082 45.697 45.478 45.055
digital... 42.873 43.839 45.498 44.242 44.116 44.539 45.023 45.510
Average 43.937 44.282 44.926 44.933 45.099 45.118 45.250 45.282
.............hayl.... rabbit usarmy dante.. vtiroj.. praiano krenk newdriver
ronald... 45.001 44.725 44.354 45.624 46.082 45.697 45.478 45.055
digital... 42.873 43.839 45.498 44.242 44.116 44.539 45.023 45.510
Average 43.937 44.282 44.926 44.933 45.099 45.118 45.250 45.282
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