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[IfAndOr]

How does this sound?

I don't mind either way Jocke. It would be a shame though to spoil a mixed grid of colours.
If someone can say they are all the same I'm just as happy. Perhaps our NASCAR expert BBB?

And after all it's only a short track, so any discrepancies may not be noticed anyway.

If you should find that burnout be sure to watch it.

Take your pick. 👍

Spoiler: Burnout 1

Spoiler: Burnout 2

 

[JockeP22]

My turn Manny. (my avatar)

It was a great battle Manny. I tried to stay ahead on the final lap but I just couldn't.
I didn't mind losing the fight to you though. It'll be a great memory for me in this championship.

Take your pick. 👍

Thank you, Paul. I watched them both and I hadn't seen that since the day of the race on TV.
I stand by my comment that it's the best burnout I've seen.
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Let's discuss this for one more day about what we should do with the car(s) to use. 👍

 

[IfAndOr]

Well after looking through various threads and the tuning section, it seems that All NASCAR setups maybe the same. One setup fits all!
As for default settings, I'm now thinking these may also be the same. Discuss...

 

[jammy21]

I know for sure there's quite big performance differens between manufacturers with same years cars (I tested in my other PSN account when I was racing NASCAR series). Even though cars seem to be same.
Is there differens between same manufacturer's cars from different years or even from same year that I don't know - not tested.
I'm not gonna buy all 9 cars to test them 👎
I'll be using 2013 car #18.
I have in this PSN account (jam_my21) car #18 from 2011 and 2013 so I can test these.
BTW: I did 34.8 (half tank and fresh tires)

I will allow all Camry's.
...
It's the same scenario here. All eleven Camry's are exactly the same underneath.
Same PP's, same cc-sized engine's, same rpm and torque, same BHP, same weight.
Eleven different ones compared to three different ones is better for variety.
Why are you against the decision jammy. Do you know something I don't? 👍

Edit: Also I think 10 min quali is too long - 4-5min is enough

 

[JockeP22]

Hello guys, I have made my decision.


The whole idea of this championship is and has been that we all drive the same untuned car.

I want to make this as simple as possible so we can focus on testing and preparing for the race
instead of having to think about the cars.

With this in mind I have now created a poll where we all can vote on the three 2013 Camry's.
The Camry with the most votes will be the car we all must use on Tuesday.
If it means you have to spend an additional half million credits I apologize.
This is the best way to go about this I think.

The poll is open for 48 hours. 👍


Option A - Denny Hamlin

Option B - Kyle Busch

Option C - Matt Kenseth

The room/lobby has been opened and the settings are locked in.

 

[jammy21]

About the vote: I think we're quite save to use all those 2013 cars from Toyota. I quite sure they are same performance. Just my 1 cent.

BTW: You all know my vote

 

[JockeP22]

About the vote: I think we're quite save to use all those 2013 cars from Toyota. I quite sure they are same performance. Just my 1 cent.

To erase all doubts about whether the cars are different or not, I want to go this way.
It's better we all drive the same one. It's a short race anyway so it doesn't matter to me that
all the cars will look alike.



The poll is still the deciding factor.
Thanks drivers.

 

[JockeP22]

BTW: You all know my vote

👍👍




You all know my vote.
Thank you again Paul.

Spoiler: Burnout 1

Spoiler: Burnout 2

 

[gerber]

VS.

LET THE FIGHT BEGIN!​

 

[JockeP22]

LET THE FIGHT BEGIN!

I love polls. When the votes are close it feels like Vegas gambling.

One thing I just realized is that @jammy21 could possibly clinch the championship on Tuesday.
I haven't done the math on that but I think it's very possible. 👍

EDIT;
Of course it all depends on DC's and the "7 best results".

 

[jammy21]

I just remembered that we also need to agreed where to enter to the pit and where to exit from pit. Do we use back straight?
Also is bump drafting allowed?

 

[JockeP22]

My avatar explained at 2:50

Also is bump drafting allowed?

It's part of Nascar isn't it? All I wish for is that we race fair and clean.

where to enter to the pit and where to exit from pit

I will be on the track testing later tonight and also during the weekend. I have to see for myself.
Do you have a link, jammy, to the NASCAR championship you were a part of before?

 

[IfAndOr]

I just remembered that we also need to agreed where to enter to the pit and where to exit from pit. Do we use back straight?

Good point. It could save confusion.

I have to see for myself.

I'd say the back straight. There's a yellow entry marker on the track a third of the way down.

 

[gerber]

My turn Manny. (my avatar)

@JockeP22 where is that from?

 

[qken]

Good point. It could save confusion.

I'd say the back straight. There's a yellow entry marker on the track a third of the way down.

Completely agree with If everyone respects the yellow line so it will probably all go fine . Btw , I have improved a little bit 0: 35.20 , with my Matt Kenseth # 20

 

[JockeP22]

@JockeP22 where is that from?

#295

 

[jammy21]

On back straight there is yellow line also for existing from the pit.

 

[jammy21]

I thinks this was lastest one - I only did first 4 round because of timezone difference.

Do you have a link, jammy, to the NASCAR championship you were a part of before?

 

[JockeP22]

On back straight there is yellow line also for existing from the pit.

Yes I practised with Markus and Paul earlier tonight and I will put up some pictures where the yellow lines are
and let the drivers know we all must respect them. 👍

The pitstops will be pretty true to real life, 3-5 of them might be necessary in the race,
depending on your driving style.

Later we went to Sierra.
That was interesting, I hadn't been there since Feb-Mar.

I did 34.8

qken could also keep this pace and IfAndOr wasn't far behind him.
I however lapped in the 35.5's .

I think 10 min quali is too long

Remember we are starting from the pits, so that leaves ~ 8 minutes for qualifying.
And it allows you time to change the tyres once if you want to try and better the lap time
on a fresh set.



*The poll window will close in about 30 hours so make sure you get your vote in.
Everybody needs to use the winning car with no exception.


Also a reminder that the tyres are RM only for the race.

 

[gerber]

qken could also keep this pace and IfAndOr wasn't far behind him.
I however lapped in the 35.5's .

I am still waiting for the poll to end before I test myself. Not that 500.000cr is THAT much but I just don't want to waste money

So what about bump drafting?

 

[JockeP22]

I just don't want to waste money

You can't take it with you when it's your time to go. Spend it.

So what about bump drafting?

Do it safe and I can't see any reason why it should be disallowed.
Drive fair, drive clean.

I know some might be wondering how it's actually done;

 

[gerber]

You can't take it with you when it's your time to go. Spend it.

B-b-b-but I have ONLY 22 millions

I know some might be wondering how it's actually done;

I have no experience doing NASCAR so it is a new idea to me. What is really advantageous about bump drafting? how are you supposed to overtake, why not just stay a meter or two behind?

 

[JockeP22]

I thinks this was lastest one - I only did first 4 round because of timezone difference.

Good job on winning at the Red Bull Ring. 👍


I read some good quotes from that thread's OP;
*Two tyres must remain in contact with the track at all times.
*Bump drafting is permitted on all tracks.
*No blocking is allowed.
*Rubbing is going to happen (just try not to keep beating on someone).
*Just try to keep it clean.

What is really advantageous about bump drafting?

Didn't you see those two cars in the video shoot straight up into the lead?
You need skills though because otherwise it will end in disaster.

EDIT;
Listen to Dale Jarrett in the beginning of the video.

 

[gerber]

Didn't you see those two cars in the video shoot straight up into the lead?

how does car in front get faster as well? It's not really getting pushed right? How does it work physics wise?

 

[IfAndOr]

Bump drafting - interesting. I didn't really know what it entailed either.

I suppose it works because the rear car is getting a "tow" from the front car's slipstream and therefore gaining extra speed. Which it then imparts on to the front car by some contact and probably reducing it's drag also. Which in turn gains extra speed. Well that's my take on it. There's probably some extra physics going on as well.
NASCAR isn't all about overtaking and getting to the front as soon as possible, they play the long game. There's quite a lot of strategy going on. Plus some huge V8 engines.

Not sure about at the Montegi track though. The straights are quite short and the corners fairly tight! It could...

...end in disaster.

To be on the safe side I've bought one of each car. So I'm now undecided what to vote on.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Yeah motegi is definitely the most fun of the 3 ovals in the game. I wish there was a short track like Bristol though, but I'm pretty sure project cars is going to have it. Anyways bump drafting isn't as important here as it is at Daytona, so it shouldn't really be a necessity or anything as much as just regular drafting. Straights aren't really long enough plus you have to slow down for the corners whereas at Daytona you just run flat out.

I am running this race without abs and with a manual transmission for once. I could only manage 35.5 on a full tank and 35.2 with less fuel yesterday, but lap times won't matter as much when drafting and strategy are involved.

 

[David Talle]

how does car in front get faster as well? It's not really getting pushed right? How does it work physics wise?

We all know that being in the slipstream of a car reduces drag and therefore allow higher top speed. But in this situation the leading car also benefits from drafting although I have to admit I don't remember the scientific explanation. But it does benefit to both cars, the follower more than the leader.
I don't know if GT6 handles this, but other games do -not necessary sims- like GRID Autosport for instance.

 

[jammy21]

My advice for bump drafting in Motegi SS is that don't try it if you don't know what you're doing.
I have lot of experience for doing it but it seems that it might be better not use for most of you guys (no offence).
To do it right needs lot of practice and if you have not done it before don't start using it now.
In race if I have opportunity to use it I'll try it first with care to see how driver front of me handles it and if it doesn't work I'll stop it. If you already know you don't like to be pushed then tell it now before race so I know not to push you.

Bump drafting is big thing in NASCAR races if you wanna win race (Daytona and Indy).

I have no experience doing NASCAR so it is a new idea to me. What is really advantageous about bump drafting? how are you supposed to overtake, why not just stay a meter or two behind?

Edit: Quali - I still think 4-5 min is enough and no tire changes but if you want 10 min then ok.
As @bloodyboyblue said quali times aren't import for race.

Remember we are starting from the pits, so that leaves ~ 8 minutes for qualifying.
And it allows you time to change the tyres once if you want to try and better the lap time
on a fresh set.

 

[JockeP22]

We need to let Dusty know this too so all the drivers on the grid are aware of the procedure.

NASCAR isn't all about overtaking and getting to the front as soon as possible, they play the long game.
There's quite a lot of strategy going on.

This.

Anyways bump drafting isn't as important here as it is at Daytona, so it shouldn't really be a necessity or anything as much as just regular drafting. Straights aren't really long enough plus you have to slow down for the corners whereas at Daytona you just run flat out.

This.

I am running this race without abs and with a manual transmission for once.

Me too.

I don't know if GT6 handles this

I noticed you had voted, David. Are you planning on racing with us?

If you already know you don't like to be pushed then tell it now before race so I know not to push you.

Don't push me jammy.
I think I will take it fairly easy this race. I want to finish without damage and without
contact.

 

[David Talle]

I noticed you had voted, David. Are you planning on racing with us?

Yes ! Hopefully I can make it again.