Toyota Supra (A90)

[titleguy1]

I'm not feeling it so far. It doesn't have to have a retro look, or anything similar (I dig the new NSX), but I'm afraid it will simply be a big brother of the GT86, similar looking, just more expensive with higher performance. To me, the Supra should be more, it should be Toyotas flagship sportscar, which stands out from the rest of their cars.

Toyota does have a flagship sports car.

 

[RACECAR]

Lexus does have a flagship sports car.

FTFY

This new Supra is supposed to be uniquely Toyotas, not simply another car with Lexus badges.

 

[05XR8]

It's not like the car won't receive a front & rear fascia update in a couple years. If Toyota didn't make an 86, people would wishing Toyota could make a sports coupe again. If Toyota didn't make this new Supra, people would still be wishing Toyota to make a Supra. At least the wheels are set in motion. I can't wait to see the final product.

 

[FT-1]

The Supra looking like the "big brother" of the 86 isn't a bad thing. Remember the A60 platform? This is what the Celica (position now taken by the 86) looked like:

And this was the Supra:

Back then, it was basically a high performance variant of the Celica featuring six cylinder engine options as opposed to the Celica's range of four-cylinder units. It could be the same theme Toyota could be pursuing with the new Supra, making it a more potent variant of the 86.

 

[05XR8]

The Supra looking like the "big brother" of the 86 isn't a bad thing. Remember the A60 platform? This is what the Celica (position now taken by the 86) looked like:

And this was the Supra:

Back then, it was basically a high performance variant of the Celica featuring six cylinder engine options as opposed to the Celica's range of four-cylinder units. It could be the same theme Toyota could be pursuing with the new Supra, making it a more potent variant of the 86.

Remember, that was after the car morphed from Celica to Celica Supra to Supra.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Toyota does have a flagship sports car.

As mentioned, this is not a Toyota, it doesn't count as one, it doesn't really look like one either. Also, I wouldn't call it a flagship sportscar, it isn't brand defining at all.

The Supra looking like the "big brother" of the 86 isn't a bad thing. Remember the A60 platform? This is what the Celica (position now taken by the 86) looked like:

And this was the Supra:

Back then, it was basically a high performance variant of the Celica featuring six cylinder engine options as opposed to the Celica's range of four-cylinder units. It could be the same theme Toyota could be pursuing with the new Supra, making it a more potent variant of the 86.

Yeah, but it's 2016 and Toyota desperately needs something that stands out.
I'm afraid the new Supra will flop, if it's just a beefed up 86.

 

[TheCracker]

Yeah, but it's 2016 and Toyota desperately needs something that stands out.
I'm afraid the new Supra will flop, if it's just a beefed up 86.

I thought that a beefed up 86 was what enthusiasts were crying out for?

It's been 14 years since Toyota last sold a Supra. it's nothing more than a name now, its not a gaping hole in their line-up. As long as what they bring out is better than what they have right now, it's all good.

 

[Winters Noble]

I have nothing against the current renditions of the supra concepts, but not particularly drawn to them either. It being a beefed of 86 is the reason I'm indifferent. It's not unique, just another spinoff in a sea of normal cars. What was the theme of the Supra? It was a muscle car. That is why the A70 really started the model's hype. It's body was stout and aggressive; with the power to match, not like anything else in the rest of the Toyota line up in the day. Not a 86-ish car, not a LFA-esque car. A Supra. People want something that stands out, on it's own.

 

[TheCracker]

Delete the massive wing on the last generation Supra and all Supras ever were were slightly bigger Celicas with RWD and a 50% bigger engine. It's never been particularly 'unique'.

 

[Wolfe]

The T-designation Celica (FWD/AWD) was a new car split off from the original Celica/Supra lineage, starting with the T160. The A70 and A80 Supras were essentially the last of the original RWD Celica, with the same chassis designation.

 

[Tornado]

That is why the A70 really started the model's hype.

Here's a Supra that spent its entire time on the North American market being showered with praise, placing high in comparison tests with juggernauts like the Porsche 944 and RX-7 Turbo and selling pretty decently even as GM finally got a handle on the disastrous launch of the 3rd generation F-Body towards the end of its life:

It's been four model years now that America's number-one importer has been claiming this car has "the right stuff." In most respects we agree. We generally like the Supra, and we were pleased with how well it held its own against the tough opposition it faced in the Angeles Forest.

This is becoming a pattern. We keep putting Supras in tests—a road test, a 30,000-mile test, a handling test, and now this comparo—and they keep doing remarkably well. The Supra was talented right at the start, and it hasn't lost a step in four seasons.

An immensely likable car, the Toyota Supra is fast and fun to drive in a way that harks back to more traditional sports cars.

The Toyota Supra is an absolutely delightful car, very much in the classical tradition of front-engine, rear-drive, six-cylinder GT coupes, but it replaces their fractious temperaments with all the angst of an anvil.

And then here's a different generation of Supra, which was constantly on the defensive against the competitors on the market, and whose sales completely collapsed within three years:

When Toyota introduced its redesigned Supra last year, it wasn't ready to face such strong competition. We gave the new Supra a thorough shakedown, and although we were pleased with its poised handling and high level of refinement, we were less than enthusiastic about its prodigious weight. The new Supra could hold its own against some of the competition, but it was easily trounced by the big boys.

I was less than thrilled with the redesign of the Toyota Supra. The old version was one of the best GTs on the market, with a delightful combination of performance, luxury, comfort, and handling. I expected the new car to be more of the same, only better.

Toyota did come through with the eagerly awaited 24-valve engine, first-rate tires, and a more sophisticated suspension. But the new car also had about 500 pounds of additional noise insulation, ride isolation, and power equipment. This additional mass not only offset much of the new hardware's benefits but also sapped much of the old car's liveliness.

This Supra may be a Turbo, but it's a little too big and buttery for me. Oh, it's ultrasmooth, but its buttery response only makes me long all the more for a bigger shot of salt and pepper. Toyota's six never gives you that turbo-terrific feeling of quick-stepping up to a higher plane. It always feels as if the house is too big for the heater, as if the boat is too much for the oars. A package as beefy as this needs a megamotor to pull clear of the pack.

Moreover, several members of the megamotor pack don't feel as big as the Supra. I took an all-out Turbo ride at Mid-Ohio with the great Dan Gurney. Gurney had never seen the place before, and he had been challenged by a good semipro in another Turbo who believed his knowledge of the tortuous course would overcome Gurney's brilliant skill. Hah! But in blowing him off, even the great Gurney had to use only what the Supra could offer. Its chassis couldn't be coaxed into acrobatics its mass couldn't handle.

Which one do you think was the A70?





I don't know what the situation was in Europe (though since they had about as many choices and usually a greater disdain towards Japanese cars, I can't imagine it went over terribly better), but the A70 was the car that started the push of the Supra towards irrelevance on the market as it priced itself out of it. Not the one that got people to sit up and start paying attention to it. The A80 had its own problems (costing 40 large for a Turbo was quite a SNAFU), but it had the comprehensive performance to back up why someone should choose one over one of other options on the market. Within a couple of years through the A70's life, it couldn't even claim that.

 

[05XR8]

Damn, 30 years ago. I remember an Automobile Magazine I bought about the Supra Turbo. 156mph was the big point for me. That and the velour interior.
The 86 1/2 Supra was more like a 928. A cruiser more than a nimble sports car(I never saw the Supra in the same light as an RX-7).

Depending on how much this new Supra will weigh and how it's set up, might be more of the same. Don't know if it's going to tackle a Camaro ZL-1 or Mustang GT350R, but if it's based on a Z4, I wouldn't expect a game changer. Unless this debut model is more SZ than RZ.

 

[Bram Turismo]

I'm afraid the new Supra will flop, if it's just a beefed up 86.

That would actually make for a brilliant car if the 86 is anything to go by.

 

[Tornado]

Just drop the EZ36 in the BreezFrees, convert the transmission to a transaxle to offset the weight and call it a day.

 

[GTFan24]

Jalopnik showed off what they think is the best possible rendition of the Supra:

 

[Neddo]

Hopefully it won't have that monster grill and hideous headlights

 

[catamount39]

Jalopnik showed off what they think is the best possible rendition of the Supra:

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I need that.

 

[Neddo]

and Toyota, please don't copy this

 

[FT-1]

The new Supra is a coupe version of the BMW Z5 so it is pretty much the spiritual successor to the Z4 (M) Coupe.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Considering how accurate Jalopnik's "render" of the GTR LM from a couple years ago, I'd assume this is pretty accurate too.

 

[RocZX]

Considering how accurate Jalopnik's "render" of the GTR LM from a couple years ago, I'd assume this is pretty accurate too.

Or even their render of the Corvette C7.

 

[Omnis]

Those weren't renders, they were leaks.

 

[Greycap]

It looks like an angry fourth generation Honda Prelude but that certainly doesn't mean it doesn't look good. Needs some kind of a rear spoiler though.

 

[Neddo]

Those weren't renders, they were leaks.

It's written "Illustrated by Marco can Overbeeke"

 

[sems4arsenal]

Not too bad, will look better in real life probably

 

[Bram Turismo]

Jalopnik showed off what they think is the best possible rendition of the Supra:

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Tone down the front grills a bit, and that looks fantastic!
Presumably it'll have a foldable rear wing.

 

[Omnis]

It's written "Illustrated by Marco can Overbeeke"

I'm talking about the Corvette leak

 

[iName]

Jalopnik showed off what they think is the best possible rendition of the Supra:

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That's far too simplistic given the recent designs of Toyota.

Need more curves. CURVES EVERYWHEREEEEE
-Toyota Design Studio

 

[McLaren]

As mentioned, this is not a Toyota, it doesn't count as one, it doesn't really look like one either. Also, I wouldn't call it a flagship sportscar, it isn't brand defining at all.

Except it is exactly that. Just not for Toyota. The LC has been the Chief Engineer's primary passion for the last couple years.

Jalopnik showed off what they think is the best possible rendition of the Supra:

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It just looks so underwhelming compared to the concept. I get that the styling will take changes to become production-ready, but the cars being spied just don't even seem to share any similarity with this beautiful machine. Maybe it's just the proportions and the FT-One never being placed next to the average car, but it looks much bigger, at least somewhat close to a modern Italian GT car.

But, what's weird to me is that Lexus brought the LC to our local C&C, and a rep was asked if he knew anything about the Supra. He replied the Supra did not have a set time table for release. His explanation made it sound like the car was still a year or so out with the LC-F.

 

[GTboyz]

It's written "Illustrated by Marco can Overbeeke"

Though Jalopnik claimed that they illustrated the car based on bits of information from an insider and from the spy photos. It would probably look similar to the real life one but not 100% the same.