Wait, didn't the little bitch quit Twitter?Jordan Peterson has thrown a big strop (what a surprise) because twitter has temp banned him for dead naming Elliot Page and calling Elliot's surgeon a criminal.
Jordan Peterson suspended from Twitter for 'hateful conduct' towards Elliot Page
The Canadian psychologist refused to delete the tweet.metro.co.uk
It just seems so damn petty to refuse to use someone's new name. All sorts of people change their names for all sorts of reasons and it will almost always be extremely rude to refuse to use the new name - this case included. Would it even be that strange to encounter a female named Elliot, anyway? That said, I feel like the "deadnaming" term is really not helpful. To me it suggests that there's automatically shame attached to the former name/state, I think that it's usually going to be healthier to accept life as it's played out (in oneself and others) rather than identifying the journey as having a "when I was a girl" dark history as part of it.Jordan Peterson has thrown a big strop (what a surprise) because twitter has temp banned him for dead naming Elliot Page and calling Elliot's surgeon a criminal.
Jordan Peterson suspended from Twitter for 'hateful conduct' towards Elliot Page
The Canadian psychologist refused to delete the tweet.
I think most trans people would disagree with you there, being deadnamed can be very distressing and although there are some trans people who embrace their pre-transition identity they are relatively rare. It's not about them failing to embrace their "old" identity, it's that their "old" identity was just something assigned to them at birth. Once they transitioned they became who they always were, and that assigned identity is dead and gone.
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I would imagine that it's going to vary from person to person, and while it can be done accidentally, my understanding is it becomes undeniably problematic (and potentially harmful) when used deliberately and maliciously. It's the difference between, say an aunt, being otherwise accepting of transition and accidentally using a deadname, and one who is not accepting and is doing so to deliberately upset and offend.
That I am aware of they have commited no crime and Peterson is simply projecting, he has however since walked it back (while using an odd turn of phrase).
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That I am aware of they have commited no crime and Peterson is simply projecting, he has however since walked it back (while using an odd turn of phrase).
Jordan Peterson says he has "post-coital" regrets about his remarks on Elliot Page's top surgery
Twitter presence Jordan Peterson claimed that Elliot Page's top surgery and the doctor performing it was "criminal". He's now admitting he was incorrect, even as he compares such procedures to…
Reminds me of the Babylon Bee who are still locked out of their Twitter account for refusing to delete a transphobic tweet.This is walking it back?
Jordan Peterson says he would ‘rather die’ than delete his 'hateful' tweet about Elliot Page
Canadian clinical psychologist and YouTube personality Jordan Peterson said he would “rather die” than delete the tweet he posted about actor Elliot Page last month. Speaking to the National Post, Peterson, 60, said Twitter had temporarily suspended most of his account's features on June 28...news.yahoo.com
I feel the shame should be attached to the act of denying someone's gender identity rather than the possibility that others may feel they have to self-censor. At the very least, as far as the present is concerned, to me it sounds more polite to call people by the names they've chosen, rather than pretending they still have the names assigned to them at birth. What happened in the past may be trickier but I talked about that in an earlier post.
I snorted.
I think it's always going to be somewhere from rude, to disgustingly malicious to deliberately use someone's old name. In addressing the word "deadnaming" (a word not invented by the perpetrators of the practice but rather by victims and allies of victims), I wanted to question whether or not it's a fair and healthy umbrella term. Do we even know that Elliot wants the Ellen-period history/name to be considered dead? I think it's an extreme and presumptuous tag to put on someone else's experience
That's, to some extent, what I'm trying to put across.
Ha, I hadn't even thought of an "umbrella term"/"Umbrella Academy" link. I know very little of the show and haven't seen any of it. Aside from the direct question of what Elliot would actually choose I was mainly making a broader point about assumptions, though. Hypocritically, I'm now making the assumption (based on you've written) that Elliot does want the "Ellen-period" "dead".
I believe the term was coined within the trans community to begin with and is widely used to refer to any name that the person was previously using. Whether it's a healthy or fair term to use for everyone is too big of a question to answer; I think it's probably good enough to use it to refer to "old" names unless someone tells you that they are OK with their AGAB identity.
Just because the word for a thing contains the letters D, E, A and D doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who identifies with what that term describes literally wants that piece of their life dead or killed. That may be true for some, specifically the people who chose that word and popularised it, but the experience of being referred to by your "old" name seems so universal in the trans community that I imagine it's useful to have a concise term to refer to that even if the actual word chosen doesn't necessarily literally express your emotions.
I kind of agree with you, and I think that there's plenty of examples where terms should be distanced from their literal meanings. I'm fairly sure that we've interacted in the past on here regarding sayings like "gentleman's agreement" and "knife to a gunfight", noting that those can still logically apply when there's no actual men or guns involved.
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Issues Trans Men face isn't really talked about as often as it should be, because of **** like this.Trans Man Advised to Use Women's Restroom Then Beaten Up and Arrested
Noah Ruiz, 20, says three men attacked him after he used the women's restroom at a campground in Ohio.
The irrational fear of penises in women's restrooms has come up in this thread. This man doesn't even have one. (That he doesn't have one and the moral panic surrounding transgender restroom use is likely why he was instructed to use the restroom that most corresponds to his genitalia.)
I'm a man. I have a penis. The penis I have is the one I've had from birth. I maintain I'm not a legitimate threat in any environment due to my being a man or my possessing a penis. Any suggestion that I am a threat because of either or both of these factors is sexist.
I did wonder how long it would take until something like this occurred, sadly. Forcing people to use the restroom that matches their AGAB is very dangerous for not just trans people but cis people who happen to look a certain way too.Trans Man Advised to Use Women's Restroom Then Beaten Up and Arrested
Noah Ruiz, 20, says three men attacked him after he used the women's restroom at a campground in Ohio.
