Since you're the one claiming I identify with said groups, which you don't know nor care to know squat about me.
Of which people on Gt-planet are okay with, because most of GTplanet is over 55 and willing to let the younger generations suffer and die early "just because it's funny to see them suffer" Or something along those lines IIRC.
Going beyond the obivous issue there, what do you have to support the claims that people don't care about anyone other than their own age groups, and that the people in this thread specifically don't care about the people interested in GAC?
You have a solid track record of pulling extreme claims out of thin air. You've been getting responses exactly because people here care beyond themselves. When someone comes into a thread and starts to spread misinformation, or express support for controlling other people's lives, that tends to be combated.
If you ever plan on having kids...
Then be ready to take care of them for a life time. There is no guarantee that your children will be healthy or ever reach the point where they can care for themselves. If wheeling them around because they can't move themselves is a problem for you, then don't have kids. It's not for you.
yes. Repeated steroid use leads to early deaths of ages around say 30-45. Of which people on Gt-planet are okay with, because most of GTplanet is over 55 and willing to let the younger generations suffer and die early "just because it's funny to see them suffer" Or something along those lines IIRC.
As before, longevity is not a life score. A longer life is not a better one. People are free to choose for themselves how they want to live. They're not spending your money, and they're not pushing the risks on you, so cost and risk shouldn't factor into you're argument. You're not the one dealing with those things.
It's curious how you have all the time in the world to write up essays
I've just quoted half a dozen or so posts made by you.
on effectively "an opinion, made by one person, whom I don't like" curious. One has to wonder why you'd engage in "civil discourse" with a person you don't like and an opinion you disagree with if there were better, more interesting, more constructive, things to talk about in millions of other threads. There are.
There are? Wouldn't that come down to individual preference? Maybe this is the most important thread of all for some people. Though on the other hand it's not like people can't engage in more than one topic at a time.
I don't know about other people, but disagreeing is more conductive to discussion for me. If I agree with someone, I may not have much to say. The closer their opinion is to mine, the more likely it is that anything that I'd have to say was said already. When I disagree with someone I can have a lot to say.
Lastly you said you're not liked. It's possible, but for me the bigger issue is that you don't seem to have a well informed opinion or an unbiased stance on this topic, and that is driving you toward harming other people, directly or indirectly. Just to be blunt, you've convinced me that you are near the bottom of the list of people qualified to ban GAC or surgery.
I have my opinion, and I'll discuss it only with people whom are here in good-faith. Not too many of those. Most are just here for the instant gratification they get by hurling insults at others in a closed-off forum with their "follower" buddies with their grandfathered accounts. It's quite cliquey. Which is why I'm not all that interested in talking to those types in the first place.
We'll go with your definitions then, I've no desire to halt progress for the few that are aren't here for petty memes from 2008.
This is a public and open forum, and this section specifically is designed to allow people to express opinions, whatever they may be so that those opinions can be reviewed and discussed. If it seems like everyone is on the "same side" to you, it's an indicator that your opinions are pretty extreme. If you read through this thread from the beginning you'll see the participants here and their follower buddies disagreeing with each other quite a lot. You jumped in immediately and tried to paint the common thread members as unquestioning of GAC at all. In reality the thread could not finish page 1 without differing opinions meeting.
This isn't you vs the ingroup. It's you managing to find a way to disagree with a bunch of other different groups that have their own different views and then being very slow to respond to corrections or discussion from those various other groups.
I'm just guessing the ages too, could be more realistically 40-65. But my point remains these people aren't as likely to live as long as "normal" straight people that do not do the whole steroids and reckless amounts of substances thing.
And trans people that don't get GAC may die even sooner than steroid users.
There are very few people in the 18-25 range that can be said to be "of sound mind at all times" That's the age where people is really just starting to learn about things and make many more mistakes. So your fallacy is there. It seems unfortunately your logic doesn't extend to benefit mankind, just the simple pleasantries followed by the "now get off my lawn, stranger" trope...
Even if your claim is taken to be true, so what. Unless no one in the 18-25 range is qualified to be an adult, then someone exists in that range that can make decisions for themselves. Those people should not have control of their lives taken away from them just because other people can't make sound decisions.
Whatever you think of 18-25 year olds specifically, I had already decided my career path at that point, taken on the largest debt of my life up to that point to fund that career path, moved away from my home which also resulted in me breaking my record for largest debt again within that same span of time, bought a car and started driving, was granted the right to vote (which I decided not use because I did not feel ready for it), and had to start paying my own taxes. I'm not completely unique in that regard and a lot of the decisions I faced could be said to be more complicated and risky than looking into a certain form of treatment with a good track record, that involves counseling and therapy to screen people won't don't really need it, because you are unhappy with some aspect of your life.
See the issue for me is "suicide risk decreased". I'll wait for the next study to come out saying the opposite, "suicide risk increased".
You can wait for whatever you want, but that second paper either doesn't exist or hasn't been presented. The first one has.
You stray too far from the norm, you basically throw your life away to a certain "normal" crowd of highly opinionated and vetted people. The rest of society just shrugs and carries on. This is something trans people have to deal with too. Additionally Some of them will feel some kind of imposter syndrome not long after their journey into steroids begins.
So then you're pro conformity even in the cases where people don't really fit the common mold? That sounds like a disaster in the making. There are plenty of people who find their own way through life who end up being the ones to shrug their shoulders in the face of other people trying to convert them to "normalcy". It seems like you don't even want to consider that.
Once you're dead, you're dead, all your worries die with it.
Yet people care about what happens even after that point. We would not have wills otherwise.
Maybe it doesn't affect you or how your peers are doing, or how your grandma is doing or how your kids are doing because you don't give a flying crap, maybe you're selfish like that, but not all people have to be or think just like you y'know??
Wanting to control someone isn't caring about other people, or at least it's not caring in a good way. If I had to pick the most selfish position in this thread, it's yours.
If someone writes about something, and you don't like it, you don't have to respond? Just scroll along or "unfollow" the threads you don't have anything to do with or nothing to say?
That's the situation where people aren't interested and don't see a problem to correct. The opposite will happen if people consider something worth the effort of trying to fix.
So to answer your question, these new trends do affect the world, and, therefore, me. It affects me "so much" that I have to write about it on GT Planet, in the trans thread of course.
And that doesn't apply to anyone but you?
Would you say the same thing to trans people? What does it matter that they care about their own bodies to such an extent that they want to change it? Good luck trying to change that if you think like that.
You're surprised that people care about their own bodies? That has to be the most unexpected opinion posted so far.
Of course people care about their own bodies. That is not surprising. That's why people don't like it when someone comes in and tries to take away bodily control, which is what you're doing.
General anxiety and depression is not something that goes away quickly, so a moot point, those things tend to return very quickly. Depression especially stays with the person for decades once the newness of transitioning wears off, I believe.
In recent years, all of those professions have lost their credibility, to me at least. Some people think all doctors are full of it. I just make exceptions to the doctors I like. They're not all money hungry, as it turns out, but still can't be trusted with even basic things.
I'm saying the Exposure to trans movements can make one rethink their life and find themselves trans instead of something else. Which in itself is not always a good result, somewhat unnecessary depending on person. Of course I can't speak for everyone.
Right. I'll wait for the studies of that same group in 20 years time, convince me 20 years later that same group, by at least a majority, did not regret a single aspect of their transition, and I'd have my mind changed quite a bit.
Usually takes a person a good decade or so to fully evaluate once the dust settles. "was that event a good idea" "was that relationship good for my growth" "did my transition ultimately do anything for me that I couldn't have accomplished in other ways with less money down the drain? maybe that money could have gone towards the mortgage?"
Of course if you ask someone "did you have a good birthday?", they'd say yes, if you asked them on their birthday... But Ask them a decade later about that same day, the truth will come out about all that went on, assuming the person even remembers the details by that point. Just an example.
This is an unfounded rant. People can decide for themselves what is best for them.
Indeed. Depression doesn't go away instantly though, everyone knows this. There's no "quick fix" for it, you have to do the time to recover. Just like no quick fix for cancers.
Couldn't that just be a delusional feeling? "I suddenly feel like a person that needs to transition...to benefit myself, look at all these happy transitioned people, this is my calling now, it fits, the shoe fits!" But if you insist.. Good yes, but not every movement is good just because it's popular.
If a majority didn't have a single, significant regret in 10-20 years time I'd have to change my mind.
What would you like to cite from that study you linked, to disprove my position?
What quick fix? GAC tends to be spread out over quite a while, sometimes years.
I doubt that people "suddenly" feel like transitioning.
Your standard on regrets is nonsensical. There must be no regrets, or the treatment is a failure? Do you regret being born because you felt pain one time?
From this thread and from the rest of my journey through this issue I definitely have an appreciation of the human side of the issue.
