Trump kicks out Reporter. Nice! lol
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Ramos's previous attempts to get an interview with the potential candidate had been ignored, that's why he fired the opening question out of turn. That may be because Trump anticipated Ramos's inevitable questions on immigration or because of the Univision dispute. Either way it's a bad Trump.
Regardless of whether Ramos spoke out of turn (more an affront to the other journalists in the room) it was utterly wrong for him to be immediately physically removed as he was. The following comments of "get back to your own country" kind of speak for the whole Trump agenda, I think, mis-informed as they were when directed at a US citizen.
He does act like that, but he's Donald Trump. You can't just wave a Trump away that easily.
Trump's favourite straw-man. If "political correctness" means not victimising people on the basis of their heritage, their employer's dealings with you, their presumed menstrual cycle, their appearance or their simple wish to enjoy their property then I'm all for it. But actually those things are just normal decency.
He's an indecent Trump.
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... no. In order to hold public servants accountable, the press should not be required to do anything other than their jobs.
Free press is the literal cornerstone of preventing tyranny of government. This is why free press - and free speech - is the very first Amendment to the US Constitution. It's the most important one - we have to be able to freely say who has done what and when in our name in order to have an informed electorate to hold the elected officials to account.
Whether or not you agree with accredited members of the press behaving "like a spoiled child", the fact is that it is precisely their job to do that. It's only by prying, harrying and even occasionally just getting your voice heard that the difficult questions are asked.
If the gentleman in question is merely behaving as he is because he's a bit of an arse, or he's not being impartial (as mentioned above), rather than because he's a journalist trying to get an answer to a difficult question, then Trump - or anyone else - can certainly make a complaint about his conduct to the various professional journalistic bodies. If he's just doing his job, we shouldn't be pursuing him at all. Telling the difference may be tricky.
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So is acting out of turn when there is an event with decorum to be had. The media knew that going into the event.
For the record here, Ramos wouldn't have been called, given his channel's prior bad dealings with Trump, but instead of acting like a mature adult about it, and scoring some political points in the process, had he simply remained quiet and waited until well after the press conference to pull his illegal immigration spew, he made himself look bad by jumping in front of another reporter to spew his agenda and it made Trump look stronger in the process.
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The media also knows that press conferences are designed to control the media.
While some reporters may be annoyed by the fact that this chap has eaten into the time that this politician allows them to have with him, some will be pleased that someone upset the carefully managed stage show of the press conference.
In some corners. In others Trump still looks like a massive... trump - given that his security literally crossed a line by physically removing an accredited journalist from a press conference. That, if nothing else, should cause questions about exactly what President Trump, when he's the executive branch whose job it is to defend the Constitution, thinks about the First Amendment...
Anything can be "agendaised" either way.
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Or he was trying to get answers to the questions that a lot of Americans have about why an 🤬 like Trump is even remotely qualified to lead our country.
I'm fairly sure that I'd fit your definition of a "dumb liberal," so I'll chime in about that bit. I love that Trump is still hanging around. He's exposing much of the socially conservative base for what they really are, and forcing all the other GOP candidates to either pander to the hatred and ignorance, or to quietly drop out of favor. It's hilarious to watch. I hope Trump stays in this race all the way up to the primaries.
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Trump doesn't give a rip about the media, academics, political financiers and career politicians. All he cares about are the voters. And therein lies the problem: the awful, terrible, ignorant citizens who hold the right to vote. Democracy is of course the worst system of government, except for all the others.
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"Free Press" doesn't mean you can just interrupt a press conference whenever you want and shout questions at random. There are always limits. Not everyone who has a question for a politician is going to get to ask it, there isn't enough time in the day or in a lifetime for that matter.
If we held politicians accountable for everything their staffers did or said, there wouldn't be any left.
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And Trump has had an accredited member of the press physically removed from such an event. This speaks more loudly for his opinion of the First Amendment, something he as President would be expected to defend, and ought to do far more damage to his reputation than any difficult question ever could.
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In a press conference where the reporters are hand picked to ask just the right questions for the candidate, one of them challenges it and gets thrown out. Whether or not his question got answered, he accomplished what he set out to do. Someone needed to challenge that buffoon who thinks he can be president.
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I don't understand why this is even worth discussing. Donald Trump is a joke, and a bad one at that.
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That's exactly what the elite, educated press, elected politicians, university academics, and Wall Street bankers think as well. The Big Problem is the citizenry and system of democracy that permits them to vote. Once The People are allowed to participate, just about anything can happen, like the French Revolution! Perhaps a benevolent dictatorship of the educated elite is to be preferred?
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...Reading all the posts here, got me thinking (which is dangerous.)
Now I want to make myself clear here, that I've very little interest in politics - by the very nature of the job, those elected into the public offices in my own opinion, are lyin' pieces of bovine turds. So I try to distance myself as much as possible.
Having said that, there are two points here that bugs me somewhat.
First off, I'm reading that Univision and Trump's PR team aren't best of buddies. Soooo, how come they got accreditation for a Trump media briefing in the first place???
Surely, Trump employs top notch PR guys to run his campaign. His bank balance allows that.
But the Univision journo got in. Fishy.
These PR guys are no fools - they must've figured Univision might try something.
Which leads me to the second point: did Trump's PR team deliberately let this happen? In a popularity contest like this, staying in the headlines is a good thing. Ohh look, here's headline: Trump kicks out unruly journo off his house like a Man.
Did I say fishy?
Hmm.
Now I want to make myself clear here, that I've very little interest in politics - by the very nature of the job, those elected into the public offices in my own opinion, are lyin' pieces of bovine turds. So I try to distance myself as much as possible.
Having said that, there are two points here that bugs me somewhat.
First off, I'm reading that Univision and Trump's PR team aren't best of buddies. Soooo, how come they got accreditation for a Trump media briefing in the first place???
Surely, Trump employs top notch PR guys to run his campaign. His bank balance allows that.
But the Univision journo got in. Fishy.
These PR guys are no fools - they must've figured Univision might try something.
Which leads me to the second point: did Trump's PR team deliberately let this happen? In a popularity contest like this, staying in the headlines is a good thing. Ohh look, here's headline: Trump kicks out unruly journo off his house like a Man.
Did I say fishy?
Hmm.
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So am I alone in thinking that this whole Trump clown show is actually a ploy by Democrats to rattle Republicans?
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Trump has a lot of classically liberal ideas - when he is thinking, which seems to be seldom. But I don't think this is a Democrat plot. He cuts deeply into certain Democratic constituencies like blue-collar whites. So he really does have more in common with conservatives similar to Reagan, who in his maturity also switched from Democrat to Republican.
