Tsukuba lap times for 136 N-class cars - 1 remaining

I have updated my spreadsheet. For anyone who is interested in comparing the latest lap times, after filling in the lap times in the spreadsheet I will like @MidFieldMaven his posts (not only for my administration, but also as thanks for his amazing work).
 
thought to see the 911 losing its lead (relatively speaking), but the Evo GR.B wasn't tested on Tsukuba prior to patch 1.23. Like to see what classes will be stirred up with this new tire model.
 
I've decided to finish off the N200's with the exception of the Subaru BRZ and Clio R.S. 220 Trophy '15 for now. I may do them at a later date, but their times should be within a tenth or two of their counterparts that I've already tested.

1:07.962 - Renault Sport Clio R.S. 220 Trophy '16
1:08.283 - Peugeot 208 GTi by Peugeot Sport
1:09.338 - Citroen DS3
1:10.574 - Peugeot RCZ GT Line
1:11.592 - Alfa Romeo MiTo

Clio is the fastest FF N200 car. Peugeot RCZ ties the Mazda Roadster.
 
Tested:

1:01.390 - Toyota S-FR Racing Concept
1:04.561 - Nissan R33 GT-R V-Spec
1:04.572 - De Tomaso Pantera
1:06.435 - Chevrolet Corvette C3

The N400 Toyota S-FR is slightly faster than the KTM X-Bow.
R33 GT-R is 2 tenths faster than R32 and 5 tenths slower than R34.
Pantera has quite a bit of understeer coming out of corners. Odd for a MR.
C3 Corvette was more fun to drive than the Pantera in my opinion.
 
How the heck, this is really interesting. The Raptor time is 1:06:329, but the GT86 GRMN 1:07.804. The Raptor seems to be more track machine than I ever thought. The Raptor has more power for sure, but weight 1.5t more.
I would really like to see if the Raptor could beat the feather light GT86 GRMN in real life.
 
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How the heck, this is really interesting. The Raptor time is 1:06:329, but the GT86 GRMN 1:07.804. The Raptor seems to be more track machine than I ever thought. The Raptor has more power for sure, but weight 1.5t more.
I would really like to see if the Raptor could beat the feather light GT86 GRMN in real life.
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I'm not sure why this surprises you. GT86's are slow dude. Slower than minivans. The power to weight ratio is very close (12:1 vs 14:1) and the Raptor has AWD which Tsukuba strongly favors.

The 86 wasn't ever designed to be fast, it was designed to feel fast.
 
I know I am way more in to the comparing data (or data porn) than most people. So instead of spreadsheet spamming, I would like to ask if people wold be interested in a comparison between the old and new times. Or if you want some other data comparison relevant to this data: let me know.
Yep, I really like creating strings like:
=if($F2="","",(VLOOKUP($F2,INDIRECT(CONCATENATE("'",T($G2),"'!$F$2:$j$300")),3,False)))
This retrieves the calculated percentage for its relative position from the car's class sheet.
 
ARTAsean
I'm not sure why this surprises you. GT86's are slow dude. Slower than minivans. The power to weight ratio is very close (12:1 vs 14:1) and the Raptor has AWD which Tsukuba strongly favors.

The 86 wasn't ever designed to be fast, it was designed to feel fast.
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Yes, I agree, it was not designed to be fast, rather to be fun and feel fast. But I go all in, and bet that the GT86 GRMN would beat the Raptor in real life head to head at Tsukuba.
 
oinksnork
I know I am way more in to the comparing data (or data porn) than most people. So instead of spreadsheet spamming, I would like to ask if people wold be interested in a comparison between the old and new times. Or if you want some other data comparison relevant to this data: let me know.
Yep, I really like creating strings like:
=if($F2="","",(VLOOKUP($F2,INDIRECT(CONCATENATE("'",T($G2),"'!$F$2:$j$300")),3,False)))
This retrieves the calculated percentage for its relative position from the car's class sheet.
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A good method to help us undestand better the change in the physics-tire engine of the game could be to seperate the cars by the engine-transmission layout, since most agree that previously the MR were almost undriveable while the 4WD were the best, opposite to the real world track behaviour where MR are the fastest and 4WD are understeery. So, if for example all MR got bigger improvement than the 4WD ones, that could show a good correction from PD towards the realism.
 
Wow, I seriously didn't expect nsx to make 1:01.203. This car has some kind of "weird oversteer" that I haven't experienced in any other car before and I find it very difficult to drive. But last I drove it was before the 1.23 update, so maybe they fixed that.
 
I have started working on comparing the new data with the old data. In my spreadsheet you will find the times from the old and the new cars next to each other. It is still a work in progress, but if you want the alpha version, you can visit it now in my spreadsheet in the tab "old lap times"

@Rotorist The comparison between drivetrains is a very good idea and I will implement that.
 
Tested:

1:00.990 - Nissan GT-R

It took 30 miles to reach this 1:00 lap time and I'm not understanding why the Nismo version is only a tenth of a second faster. That car has 27 more horsepower, 14 more ft-lbs of torque, and weighs 66 lbs less!

All 4WD cars have been tested.
 
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Tested:

1:00.515 - McLaren MP4-12C
1:00.706 - McLaren 650S

On paper, the 650S is lighter and more powerful. Yet somehow the MP4-12C is faster. It feels more stable coming out of corners while the 650S is more oversteery...
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Reckon it makes sense, because they took a lot of criticism for the clinical nature of the 12C on release. Probably felt they had to make the newer car more lively in search of personality and on a track like Tsukuba, it doesn't get to stretch its extra legs.
 
Tested:

1:01.399 - Ford GT40 Mark I
1:02:834 - Lamborghini Countach LP400
1:06.402 - Dodge Challenger R/T

GT40 is 4 tenths faster than the Shelby Cobra and less than 2 tenths faster than KTM X-Bow R.
Countach is 2 tenths slower than Audi R8.
Challenger R/T ties the Corvette C3 but is almost 2 tenths behind Mustang Mach 1.
 
VXR
Which seems particularly worrisome; when Auto Express put the i3 up against the recently replaced Swift Sport it was 10 seconds slower than the Suzuki. Something is awry.
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Speaking of the Swift, I went to my spreadsheet just now to look at the specs for the Swift and realized I never added them! The i3 has 44 more hp and 75 more ft-lbs of torque than the Swift, and weighs 441 lbs heavier. However, i3 is MR which makes it corner much better than the FF Swift. In total, i3 is 5 seconds quicker around Tsukuba. Either PD screwed something up or the i3 driver is terrible. Maybe something went wrong with the electrical system and it wasn't making full power.
 
VXR
Which seems particularly worrisome; when Auto Express put the i3 up against the recently replaced Swift Sport it was 10 seconds slower than the Suzuki. Something is awry.
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I don't think accurate comparison can be made to real life performance, there's too many variable need to be considered. Testing with same tire on all cars can be useful for comparing performance between in game cars, but they do not work well when making comparison to real life.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
I don't think accurate comparison can be made to real life performance, there's too many variable need to be considered. Testing with same tire on all cars can be useful for comparing performance between in game cars, but they do not work well when making comparison to real life.
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Agreed. Usually, electric cars tend to get tires with minimal grip to lower resistance and thus, they have bad laptimes. In GTSport, when tested with so much better tires than in real life, they are getting much quicker.
 
Tested:

1:03.131 - Lexus RC F
1:08.716 - Subaru BRZ S

Lexus RC F is faster than the Aston Martin V8 Vantage S but slower than BMW M4.
Subaru BRZ is less than a tenth slower than Toyota 86. Interesting thing I noticed is that the garage says the BRZ has 1,994 cc's while the 86 has 1,998. Wonder what that's about.
 
Tested:

1:01.187 - Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3 Road Car
1:01.567 - Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S

The Corvette is only 2 tenths faster than the Toyota S-FR Racing Concept.
The AMG GT S is a full second quicker than the BMW M4.

I have the HD remaster of Shenmue 1 and 2 sitting on the coffee table still in its wrapper from yesterday, but I really want to finish this before I start those games. Yakuza Kiwami 2 is coming out soon, too. It's sad to say I'll probably never test the handful of multi-million credit N-cars. I'll finish up what I have left on the list in post #1 and the remaining Gr.3 Road Cars, but that will have to suffice until PD releases an update with some more affordable N-cars.
 

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