TT #47: 450pp GT86 Grand Valley, 600pp Indy Road course

[nebularis23]

Well. let me tell you why his LSD settings make no sense. He has his Initial Torque setting set at 5 which make the rest of his settings (Accel and Decel) pretty much irrelivant. Go read about LSD and you will see what I mean. Don't mean to start a debate here, but I've done alot of research and testing on this subject so I know what works, for me anyway. Set it how you want, I'm just trying to give some advice here from what I've found to work for me. Remember, there are other things that effect corner exit also, not just your LSD settings.

Whether or not it makes sense seems irrelevant when the guy posting the tune is no. 2 on the leaderboard.

 

[jimipitbull]

Well. let me tell you why his LSD settings make no sense. He has his Initial Torque setting set at 5 which make the rest of his settings (Accel and Decel) pretty much irrelivant. Go read about LSD and you will see what I mean. Don't mean to start a debate here, but I've done alot of research and testing on this subject so I know what works, for me anyway. Set it how you want, I'm just trying to give some advice here from what I've found to work for me. Remember, there are other things that effect corner exit also, not just your LSD settings.

Pretty sure the 15 makes the 5 irrelevant once the throttle goes over 25%

 

[Stotty]

I gave Yinato's tune a go last night, and I have to admit, I couldn't drive it! It has that 'brake release oversteer' that I just find difficult to drive around whatever the car.

Best lap was c.0.5s off my previous.

Might have been an off night though as I tried my own tune again and couldn't get anywhere near my previous time either, so I may give it another go.

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

If you are still using my 2J, it has a decent setup on it on sheet B I think.

thanks Ill check that out I am happy with most of my set up just gears and lsd so hope yours can just give me that last bit Ill try later 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Whether or not it makes sense seems irrelevant when the guy posting the tune is no. 2 on the leaderboard.

He is 2nd because of his skill, not his tune. If your statement were to be true, then I should be able to take his tune and easily get into the top 10. It won't happen as there are no magical tunes out there. Tuning will only take you so far, the rest is up to the driver. Thats what everyone seems to forget. They all seem to salivate at getting the top guys tune, and it may help them alittle, the truth is Yinato, Amo, or any other of the top drivers will still be in the top 10 regardless of their tune. I have seen these guys battle for the top spot in TT's where tuning was prohibited. The way I see it tuning only accounts for about 20%, the other 80% would be driver skill.

 

[Stotty]

He is 2nd because of his skill, not his tune. If your statement were to be true, then I should be able to take his tune and easily get into the top 10. It won't happen as there are no magical tunes out there. Tuning will only take you so far, the rest is up to the driver. Thats what everyone seems to forget. They all seem to salivate at getting the top guys tune, and it may help them alittle, the truth is Yinato, Amo, or any other of the top drivers will still be in the top 10 regardless of their tune. I have seen these guys battle for the top spot in TT's where tuning was prohibited. The way I see it tuning only accounts for about 20%, the other 80% would be driver skill.

This is 100% correct 👍

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

He is 2nd because of his skill, not his tune. If your statement were to be true, then I should be able to take his tune and easily get into the top 10. It won't happen as there are no magical tunes out there. Tuning will only take you so far, the rest is up to the driver. Thats what everyone seems to forget. They all seem to salivate at getting the top guys tune, and it may help them alittle, the truth is Yinato, Amo, or any other of the top drivers will still be in the top 10 regardless of their tune. I have seen these guys battle for the top spot in TT's where tuning was prohibited. The way I see it tuning only accounts for about 20%, the other 80% would be driver skill.

however the top thousand or so on gt cademy were covered by 1 sec there is usually more than a second between the top ten in a tt so tunning is a massive part of speed just gotta keep digging to beat the top guys and you can get there:tup:👍👍

 

[carracerptp]

He is 2nd because of his skill, not his tune. If your statement were to be true, then I should be able to take his tune and easily get into the top 10. It won't happen as there are no magical tunes out there. Tuning will only take you so far, the rest is up to the driver. Thats what everyone seems to forget. They all seem to salivate at getting the top guys tune, and it may help them alittle, the truth is Yinato, Amo, or any other of the top drivers will still be in the top 10 regardless of their tune. I have seen these guys battle for the top spot in TT's where tuning was prohibited. The way I see it tuning only accounts for about 20%, the other 80% would be driver skill.

A tune won't make you fast but I do think it helps more than 20%. Once in the top 50 it really is hard for people like me that are just "OK" at tuning to make even a top 30 car.

Yinato tune is perfect for me, I love cars with lift off oversteer. I try and put that in my tunes but sometimes I can't get it to lose enough. Most of his tunes have that so I stop fighting the car and spend more time fighting the track, giving me a better time.

Now, when I first tried his tune with a 5/6 brake balance I wasn't getting a good corner entry so I changed the brake balance to 5/5 and that worked 👍

EDIT: What I was trying to say was "A tune that fits your driving style is going to help big time"

 

[Penelope]

Here is my 2J setup, just shaved a fraction of my time with it though still not back in the top ten, looking at those times I don't think I will be Looks like the guys at the top are keeping their setups to themselves so thought I would do the decent thing and share

Ride Hight +7 -7
Spring Rate 13.7 15.8
Damper Extension 6 7
Damper Compression 7 6
ARB 5 6
Camber 1.8 1.2
Toe Angle 0.15 -0.36
Diff 7 28 18
Weight 932 @ 40

Gearing reset to standard then set to 199 with slider, then set to 204 with final gear.

Hope it's of use to someone

Ps... It would appear the geometry fault on the suspension has NOT been fixed !

 

[StirlingMoose]

Big thanks to Yinato for sharing his tune, but I think you need to be a much better driver than me to make full use of it. I found it too much of a handful and was getting far too sideways entering the corners. BB at 5/5 and moving the ballast forward to get a 50/50 weight distribution made it much easier to handle for me.

 

[DTM]

I see alot of speculation and imo a tune can be much more worth than 20%. A tune is more than only the suspension and LSD. But the way the gear rotation is set up can be very important too (specially with slower cars, s800 on suzuka was a great example). Also the parts that are used that gives you extra power.

Example. I tried different tunes before Yinato's tune was released. At that point i was on a 08.8xx (with abit of room for improvement) and could manage that with 2 different tune. With Yinato's i shaved of 1,1xx second. That is alot of time. That 1,1 second was part of the suspension set up and part of the parts that where added and gears rotation. I tried this gears and and parts for the extra power with the suspension i used earlier and ended up 08.3xx. So do the math.

This al said with the experience in Gran Tursimo 5. Not with racing in real life.

BTW for the people who wants a bit less liftoff. Set the rear toe toe to 0,00 with BB 5/5. It's not all gone but it's a little less. And steer as less as possible while braking.

I'm not a tuner by any means and that's why i want to thank Yinato for giving me 1,1xx sec with a bit of room for improvement for Yinato


About LSD. You can increase and decrease under/oversteer with it.

Like i said i'm not a tuner at all. But i reach a level of racing over the years that i can feel the difference now when i change something to a tune. But only still a small % of all the possibilities of tuning.

So let the good tunes come please in the future. I will probably never gonna be a tuner, unfortunately. That's why i hope the TT system of GT5P willl come back. 100% driver skills.

 

[slavssn]

I watched a program about the making of Lotus Evora once, and their test driver said that 70% of the car performance is engineering - the remaining 30% can be achieved by fine tuning the chassis, diffs, ECU, etc. You have to admit, that's a lot.

Anyway, I'm no tuner myself, but the simple fact is, I'm 0.7 seconds quicker with Yinato's setup, and without even trying too much. Like I said, it fits my driving style which is aggressive and not very good in terms of tire wear (I'm more like Alonso rather than Button ).

 

[numbnuts70]

Here is my 2J setup, just shaved a fraction of my time with it though still not back in the top ten, looking at those times I don't think I will be Looks like the guys at the top are keeping their setups to themselves so thought I would do the decent thing and share

Ride Hight +7 -7
Spring Rate 13.7 15.8
Damper Extension 6 7
Damper Compression 7 6
ARB 5 6
Camber 1.8 1.2
Toe Angle 0.15 -0.36
Diff 7 28 18
Weight 932 @ 40

Gearing reset to standard then set to 199 with slider, then set to 204 with final gear.

Hope it's of use to someone

Ps... It would appear the geometry fault on the suspension has NOT been fixed !

Thanks for sharing Penelope.

Is this the tune suited to cargorats,rigidity improvement 2J?

I'll post my 450pp tune soon.

Its a mixture of Yinatos gearing and someone elses base tune but I found it to be well planted with a pad,just gotta ask their permission before I post,which shouldn't be a problem-hopefully.

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

Here is my 2J setup, just shaved a fraction of my time with it though still not back in the top ten, looking at those times I don't think I will be Looks like the guys at the top are keeping their setups to themselves so thought I would do the decent thing and share

Ride Hight +7 -7
Spring Rate 13.7 15.8
Damper Extension 6 7
Damper Compression 7 6
ARB 5 6
Camber 1.8 1.2
Toe Angle 0.15 -0.36
Diff 7 28 18
Weight 932 @ 40

Gearing reset to standard then set to 199 with slider, then set to 204 with final gear.

Hope it's of use to someone

Ps... It would appear the geometry fault on the suspension has NOT been fixed !

thank you Penelope ive been on 902kg /500 plus my front end was stiffer than rear my ride hight was -10+10 was only .3 down by sector 2 but losing it all in the final hairpins 22.2 @ the mo

Will give this a shot on sunday/monday

 

[Stotty]

What a difference a day makes... must have got out of the right side of the bed this morning.

Tried Yinato's tune again (with BB @ 5,5) and improved by 0.3 to 1:07.596 for 45th - top ranked English and GTP tagged driver (for now!)

For those struggling to match his gear settings exactly, you need to adjust the final before you set the max speed to 112mph (180kmh)... I faffed about for ages trying to find how to get his numbers and I apoligise that I now can't remember exactly what I did... I think I moved the final 100 to the right, then set the max speed at it's lowest which gave me 5/6th gear ranges able to hit his numbers.

Also, I think Yinato's car might have had some miles on it, or had an oil change at some stage, as he's running more engine limiter than I am in a brand new car that exactly matches his other modifications... plus I'm pretty sure his car more torque than mine as he pulls away on a couple of corner exits even on the odd occassion I know I've matched his entry, apex and exit speeds... which would explain why he's running more limiter.

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Regarding tunes...

I honetly think a lot of it is in the mind. If you know a tune has produced a top ranked time you forget about it and just keep lapping. If it's a tune from someone lower down the rankings you always have the thought in your mind that there's something better. And I think this affects how you approach your session.

Yinato's tune IS faster than mine... but only by 0.3 (based on simliar number of laps in both cars)... which is a tiny percentage advantage and ultimately, only got me c.30 places up the leaderboard (though 30 very nice places ). When you consider I'm still >1s slower than he is you can clearly see that driving ability is far more important than a tune.

Some people are just better, faster drivers.

 

[DTM]

Some people are just better, faster drivers.

Thru. A tune is not gonna make you nr 1 in the world. But it can help improving your time. It al comes down to the driver skills in the first place.

 

[Stotty]

Heh... just ran 3 laps, improved by 0.048s and jumped another 6 places to 39th

It's tight towards the top of the rankings!

Roomboter... how the hell are you only Div 2 silver? You're MUCH faster than that... did you sandbag the qualifier?

 

[JK83]

I did with Yinatos tune easily 02:09.895 only 3 laps needed from non TT guy to do that.
I can for sure make that 02:08.xxx and I'm not good at this at all, so tune made big difference for me
Thanks for great tune.

I didn't add weightreducion at all just engine tuning stage1 and everything else, and it goes like trails without 200kg ballast

Now back to DT's 👍

 

[randoloid]

For what it's worth, I think Yinato's setup is awesome if you drive with active steering strong. My preference is no aids and it is just too loose for my skill set. Just for kicks I set active steering and was over a second faster on the final straight before I canceled out.

I do not judge anyone who uses aids... this is A GAME. My reason for playing the game is to simulate the driving experience to hopefully learn and hone my skills.

 

[DTM]

Heh... just ran 3 laps, improved by 0.048s and jumped another 6 places to 39th

It's tight towards the top of the rankings!

Nice

Roomboter... how the hell are you only Div 2 silver? You're MUCH faster than that... did you sandbag the qualifier?

What, are you trying to say i'm a cheater! .................. kidding. No i improved a bit the last 1,5 to 2 years. Some combo's suits me better than others. And i think you can go faster as a D1G. Normally the gap between a D1G and me is bigger, could be that this combo suits me very very good, but i doubt it be cause i'm not a GV fan and never managed my best results on this track.

Your improvement makes me wanna step in again right away. But i know i'm not gonna improve, because i'm to tired. But gonna try it anyway

BTW WRS is gonna do this one online with slightly other specs.

 

[Stotty]

Another 0.05s... 2:07.491, but only climbed 3 places this time

What, are you trying to say i'm a cheater! .................. kidding. No i improved a bit the last 1,5 to 2 years. Some combo's suits me better than others. And i think you can go faster as a D1G. Normally the gap between a D1G and me is bigger, could be that this combo suits me very very good, but i doubt it be cause i'm not a GV fan and never managed my best results on this track.

Your improvement makes me wanna step in again right away. But i know i'm not gonna improve, because i'm to tired. But gonna try it anyway

BTW WRS is gonna do this one online with slightly other specs.

I remember racing you on line in GT5P and you could keep up with all the really fast boys even back then 👍

Well I PMSL when I found out I was D1G (and I think I'm very much at the bottom of the D1G group). D1G should be for the true aliens like Ramon (Eclipse), Timo, Dan Holland, Zocky, etc, and I'd never put myself in that class!

Know what you mean about certain time trails just feeling right... and this one is a really nice one.

Good luck improving... I'm gonna eat and drink now

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I did with Yinatos tune easily 02:09.895 only 3 laps needed from non TT guy to do that.
I can for sure make that 02:08.xxx and I'm not good at this at all, so tune made big difference for me
Thanks for great tune.

I didn't add weightreducion at all just engine tuning stage1 and everything else, and it goes like trails without 200kg ballast

Now back to DT's 👍

Like I said, a tine can help alittle, probably even more so for people like you who do not regularly do these TT's. But, for someone like me that averages top 150's on the leader board, it's not going to help as much because at that point, it is my lack of skill that is holding me back from being top 10. Nobody's tune is going to get me there, its up to me to improve my skills to do the rest. That is all I'm trying to say here. His tune is going to help you more than it will me.

When people post their tunes, I naturally try them out but more times than not, I end up going back to my original tune. Now, I'm not saying that their tunes are crap or that my tunes are great, its just at my skill level, the only thing thats going to help me improve is practice, not a magical tune. The less skilled you are, the more a good tune is going to help you but it won't get you into the top 10. I'm at the point now, I just stick to my own tunes because rarely does someone elses tune help me. This is the point I was trying to make, a tune is only going to take you as far as your skill level will let you. I firmly believe tuning is only around 20% of a drivers success on a track. Hope everyone understands what I'm trying to say here. I'm not trying to get people to stop submitting tunes because it is useful, to a point.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Like I said, a tine can help a little, probably even more so for people like you who do not regularly do these TT's. But, for someone like me that averages top 150's on the leader board, it's not going to help as much because at that point, it is my lack of skill that is holding me back from being top 10.

I saw the rankings, 4 times within 150 for both account... not really an average, sorry, just stating the fact, no offense, but you are improving with better average lately.

http://www.mygranturismo.net/rankings.php?online_id=cargorat323

http://www.mygranturismo.net/rankings.php?online_id=gtp_cargorat

Looks like you are right about the skill part, a tune could only go so far, I always use my own tune as well, that way I can gauge my own skills easily and improve upon it.
Sometimes when I hit a wall with my own tune ( couldn't get any faster time), I tried to change some settings, then I got better time, then I know my tune have improved. In that way, the tune also limits the driver potential, like a wall that can be pushed further the better the tune is.

 

[pmjg66]

What a difference a day makes... must have got out of the right side of the bed this morning.

Tried Yinato's tune again (with BB @ 5,5) and improved by 0.3 to 1:07.596 for 45th - top ranked English and GTP tagged driver (for now!)

45th at the moment top English driver with no TC/ACTIVE STEERING ETC

 

[DTM]

Another 0.05s... 2:07.491, but only climbed 3 places this time

Nice 👍

I remember racing you on line in GT5P and you could keep up with all the really fast boys even back then 👍

Thnx, but i don't agree. Think you catched me on a combo i was comfortable with and had one of those days where everything felt my way

Well I PMSL when I found out I was D1G (and I think I'm very much at the bottom of the D1G group). D1G should be for the true aliens like Ramon (Eclipse), Timo, Dan Holland, Zocky, etc, and I'd never put myself in that class!

PMSL?

Those are the real aliens, agree

Good luck improving... I'm gonna eat and drink now

Just like i said, couldn't made it. Did 1 lap .1xx of my best and was an ugly lap as hell with a lot of drifts. And i thought smooth was the key of a fast lap but just proved the opposites

BTW don't drink and drive

 

[Stotty]

Thnx, but i don't agree. Think you catched me on a combo i was comfortable with and had one of those days where everything felt my way

PMSL?

Those are the real aliens, agree

Just like i said, couldn't made it. Did 1 lap .1xx of my best and was an ugly lap as hell with a lot of drifts. And i thought smooth was the key of a fast lap but just proved the opposites

BTW don't drink and drive

Maybe, but I remember

PMSL = P*** myself laughing (extra big LOL )

I was like that last night... just wasn't on it... then tonight felt much sharper

Well I did a few hours ago... now not so sharp

And I ony drift when drunk/smoking... very good fun

 

[numbnuts70]

45th at the moment top English driver with no TC/ACTIVE STEERING ETC

Nice 1 Pmjg-don't start that debate again

Heres the setup I've been using-big thanks to yinato for the gearing and to GTD_DucaGP for the other stuff.

I've been using t/c on 2 cos my aged brain can't stop making slight mistakes that cost me a couple of car lengths every other corner

After a bottle of wine got into the 07.5s,my goal is an 06.9s by the end,i'm 0.2 down after 1st sector,0.6 down by 2nd sector and 1s down by the end by which time,I almost always lose my cool in the final chicane

Hope this helps the pad and auto users 👍

Peace peeps 👍

 

[pmjg66]

Nice 1 Pmjg-don't start that debate again

great times by all 👍



Drink and be merry

 

[Stotty]

After a bottle of wine got into the 07.5s...

...Hope this helps the pad and auto users 👍

Drunk, pad users running 7.5's... RESPECT

 

[numbnuts70]

LOL-only a bottle,so a bit of a buzz-not drunk

probably won't go faster when sober cos i'll be more 'on-edge'