Time Trial #74: 600pp GT500 @ Grand Valley Speedway

[FGBraz]

3 cars done ( complete tune ), the varied tune between some of the cars is interesting, and yet their lap time are so close and watching the replays closely, I see one of the driver with more laps and maybe better tune have a great chance of beating current number 1 Power and weight might be the decisive factor after all.

Scary thing is the gearing trick used and some gear ratio are identical.

I'll do the rest of the top 5 later.

All 3 have max downforce, some rear ward ballast and power limiter.

Will you share these 3?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Will you share these 3?

Sorry, no, I have deleted the post regarding the tunes, as it was not appropriate and was wrong decision in my part.

 

[Stotty]

Something which I find interesting here regarding the sharing of tunes is, who does and who doesn't....... and why.

Although I don’t compete for wins, I’ve had some good results on the seasonals and I’ve pretty much always shared my tunes – and some of them have (in others hands) been very competitive.


I share mine for a few of reasons…


1) To try and make the events more enjoyable for those that can’t or don’t have the time to tune – I know I’ve personally appreciated this in the past, when I’ve not had the time to put in to building a tune and I’ve just borrowed a car or taken some settings posted by someone else


2) To try and make the seasonal more enjoyable for all – a decent tune can turn a car that’s rubbish stock in to something that’s really good fun to drive


3) Because I’m self confident enough to not measure my success by being a few places higher up the leaderboard (this might be an age thing!)


A lot of this comes from the time I spent competing in the WRS, where openly sharing tunes (and lines) is the norm.


For a few individuals that have the necessary skills, having the tunes of the top drivers would be an advantage – a tune that has a fraction less understeer here or a touch more rotation there might get you a tenth or 2. Personally, I’d like to try them all! Not because I think I’ll suddenly jump from a top 30/40 time to a top 10 (I won’t, I’m not quick enough), but I want to know how they feel to drive and because I can usually learn something from looking at others tunes that will help on other cars in the future – the damper ratios or how they use a certain BB to off set the rotation of the car, for example.


Having the tunes of the top guys isn’t going to magically turn you from a top 200 to a top 10 driver though – their skill levels will more than likely mean they have a tune that requires a level of precision that’s beyond all but the top 50 at most – and even for a top 50 driver it will only gain them the same couple of tenths. It’s nice to see the tunes, but honestly, you’ll likely not be significantly quicker in them than you will be in say one of mine - one that’s c.1s off the top time in my hands.


I saw the tunes posted yesterday, and my immediate impression was how high most had their LSD accel. For the average driver, unless you have high +ve rear toe, a setting over 15 on this car is going to make the car VERY difficult on exits as it means you have to manage your throttle control exceptionally well to avoid oversteer… and consequently, you have to manage your steering angle very precisely too. Even if these tunes had a miracle balance, the average driver would still benefit from significantly lowering the LSD setting or they’d be oversteering on every corner exit.


In the past I’ve watched some of Amo’s replays and thought he must have an amazing tune (the SLS at SSR5 for example)… then I’ve got his tune, tried it, and immediately thought how the hell does he drive this POS


As always, good luck to all in your quest for faster laps 👍

 

[biffa3]

Managed a good improvement tonight to a 1:36:2 using Stotty's tune(thanks for the share), with a little mod to aero and LSD to suit. Was struggling to catch Suba, so am happy i've finally managed it!! Hoping to try out Suba's tune too at some stage before the event expires.

 

[z06fun]

I understand that someone who has put in a lot of time to get there tune may want to keep it private. The big problem I see is that we never ever have TT's offered without tuning for those of us who just want to drive. They should really throw one in like every 4th event or something.

I'm bummed I missed the posted tunes as I would love to see the LSD accel settings and how much they varied between the top guys, since I do not have the time to test if the weak LSD help in slow corner exits offsets the stiff LSD fast corner benefits.

 

[WhoosierGirl]

I was able to get into the 44.1's on Saturday using the manual and switched again to the automatic and got my best lap of 1:44.132.
I think I can get another tenth but it would take more time than I have right now, so I think I'm done on this one.
I'm happy I beat my person goal by almost a full second, learned to use the manual transmission a little bit better and (other than Stotty's transmission) used my own setup.
Thank you to those that sent me encouraging messages, friend requests and advice.

 

[Cb]

Come on it is just a bunch of numbers

 

[RavingBonkers]

Come on it is just a bunch of numbers

It may be a bunch of numbers to some, but it's a passport to gold for others.....

 

[Dalone]

I understand that someone who has put in a lot of time to get there tune may want to keep it private. The big problem I see is that we never ever have TT's offered without tuning for those of us who just want to drive. They should really throw one in like every 4th event or something.

I'm bummed I missed the posted tunes as I would love to see the LSD accel settings and how much they varied between the top guys, since I do not have the time to test if the weak LSD help in slow corner exits offsets the stiff LSD fast corner benefits.

Below is Stottys tune which many use and which is an excellent base tune, he posted it some pages back.
Having seen the deleted tunes I can advise that the differences between them and Stottys aren't great, in fact quite minimal, it's only ride heights, which are well higher, and acc (LSD) which are also well higher as are their ballast (kg), some small changes, both up and down on toe and that's about it.
I tried the higher acc settings, all the way up to 60 (used TC1 for that) but got nowhere. The higher ballast didn't help me either.
Takata Dome NSX '03
Part fitted: Engine stage 3
Power level: 93.4%
Ballast: 4 @ pos 50 (used to fine tune ppts)
Aero: 35 57

Makes 527bhp @ 1,174kg for 600pps

Suspension
Ride -15 -15
Springs 18.5 14.8
Rebound 8 6
Bound 8 5
ARB 7 1
Camber 2.2 1.8
Toe 0.00 0.00

LSD 5 15 5

Brakes 5 7

Gears (re-set to default, set max speed to minimum, then set individual gears)
1st 4.589
2nd 3.365
3rd 2.731
4th 2.291
5th 1.968
6th 1.707
Final 2.600

It's pretty much as fast with the rear wing at 60, but I like the balance with a bit less... still losing .3 to Immortal in each sector though

 

[mustafur]

All the fast guys use more front bias which is odd since they all run full rear DF too.

 

[Teitzy]

All the fast guys use more front bias which is odd since they all run full rear DF too.

Yeah I have tried a few of their tunes and you need the front brake bias to counter the amount of rear ballast they are using.

 

[z06fun]

Below is Stottys tune which many use and which is an excellent base tune, he posted it some pages back.
Having seen the deleted tunes I can advise that the differences between them and Stottys aren't great, in fact quite minimal, it's only ride heights, which are well higher, and acc (LSD) which are also well higher as are their ballast (kg), some small changes, both up and down on toe and that's about it.
I tried the higher acc settings, all the way up to 60 (used TC1 for that) but got nowhere. The higher ballast didn't help me either.
Takata Dome NSX '03
Part fitted: Engine stage 3
Power level: 93.4%
Ballast: 4 @ pos 50 (used to fine tune ppts)
Aero: 35 57

Makes 527bhp @ 1,174kg for 600pps

Suspension
Ride -15 -15
Springs 18.5 14.8
Rebound 8 6
Bound 8 5
ARB 7 1
Camber 2.2 1.8
Toe 0.00 0.00

LSD 5 15 5

Brakes 5 7

Gears (re-set to default, set max speed to minimum, then set individual gears)
1st 4.589
2nd 3.365
3rd 2.731
4th 2.291
5th 1.968
6th 1.707
Final 2.600

It's pretty much as fast with the rear wing at 60, but I like the balance with a bit less... still losing .3 to Immortal in each sector though

Actually this is quite different as ballast, aero, LSD, rear toe, and ride height are like 98% of a tune. The rest has very minimal effects. The high LSD accel setting will help the car turn under throttle and very helpful in high speed corners, the ballast helps the car turn in low speed turns.
I just gave the higher LSD settings a try and it was definitely helpful for me, picked up another 2 tents. Hopefully tomorrow I can give it another go and make better use of it.

 

[Cb]

It may be a bunch of numbers to some, but it's a passport to gold for others.....

it was a joke...

 

[photonrider]

Cb - not everyone has the same sense of humour, let alone the same scale of priorities. I got what you meant and had a chuckle - but from the viewpoint of people who think Gran Turismo is more than just a game, in fact an aptitude test as a passport to a full-blown racing career sans racing boot-camp, it may be taken as seriously as life itself.

Obviously from the naval-(sic)gazing viewpoint of scrubbing galleys and swabbing decks it would be nice to 'keep-it-simple-stupid' - but not everyone can apply that to everything; some people treat this game like other people would treat religion, politics or sex - it is a reason to live, and a spark to their ambitions, whether misplaced or not.

What is actually up for debate here are the ethics of the situation. I have already stated my viewpoints previously.
What do you think?

Or is it even worth the cerebral chemistry?

 

[CBH]

Bunch of numbers

 

[Cb]

Cb - not everyone has the same sense of humour, let alone the same scale of priorities. I got what you meant and had a chuckle - but from the viewpoint of people who think Gran Turismo is more than just a game, in fact an aptitude test as a passport to a full-blown racing career sans racing boot-camp, it may be taken as seriously as life itself.

Obviously from the naval-(sic)gazing viewpoint of scrubbing galleys and swabbing decks it would be nice to 'keep-it-simple-stupid' - but not everyone can apply that to everything; some people treat this game like other people would treat religion, politics or sex - it is a reason to live, and a spark to their ambitions, whether misplaced or not.

What is actually up for debate here are the ethics of the situation. I have already stated my viewpoints previously.
What do you think?

Or is it even worth the cerebral chemistry?

First of all It is not necessary to simplify the discussion, but thank you anyway for your kindness.

And just to let you know, No one has ever got a passport to a full-blown racing career by placing high in a time trial like this. If you want to give it a shot with the academy you need to drive a Stock car in the academy time trial.

I understand people take these time trials serious, and I actually do it myself from time to time.
And when talking about this whole sharing setup thing, I don't think publishing secret information without permission is okay.

GTP_Cbastjan

 

[Teitzy]

Here's the tune I'm using for Takata Dome (thanks to pmjg for the loaner 👍 ). Did a 144.661 but still got 2-3 tenths to find.

540 bhp
1220 kg
Ballast: 50 kg @ 40
RH: 10/10
Spr: 14/11.5
DE: 6/9
DC: 2/4
ARB: 5/5
Camb: 2.0/1.0
Toe: 0.05/-0.05
LSD: 8/50/10
DF: 35/60
BB: 7/5

Using Stotty's transmission settings

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

First of all It is not necessary to simplify the discussion, but thank you anyway for your kindness.

And just to let you know, No one has ever got a passport to a full-blown racing career by placing high in a time trial like this. If you want to give it a shot with the academy you need to drive a Stock car in the academy time trial.

I understand people take these time trials serious, and I actually do it myself from time to time.
And when talking about this whole sharing setup thing, I don't think publishing secret information without permission is okay.

GTP_Cbastjan

I couldn't agree with you more on the part that I have bolded. I too am all about sharing and have done more than my share of helping people here and sharing my own setups over the years. But when it comes to publishing other peoples tunes, in my opinion, it is a matter of common courtesy to get their permission first before making their tunes public. Same goes for when borrowing someone else's tune. Credit should be given when credit is due.

As for taking the game seriously, I think everyone here knows just how serious I take this game and I am not afraid to say that it has become a way of life for me. It has come to this given my love for cars and then also my current life's situation with my disability. I just love it when people tell me to get a life, or get a job, or do things that a normal person without a handicap can do. I have come a long ways in my 2 1/2 years since my life-changing car accident and if it wasn't for GT5 and the friends I've made here, I don't think I would have made it this far, both in the game and in life itself. I say this all because before people ridicule people for how serious some take this game, maybe they should stop and think about the person's life situation and what they are trying to accomplish, both in-game and life itself.

 

[Stotty]

Actually this is quite different as ballast, aero, LSD, rear toe, and ride height are like 98% of a tune. The rest has very minimal effects. The high LSD accel setting will help the car turn under throttle and very helpful in high speed corners, the ballast helps the car turn in low speed turns.

I just gave the higher LSD settings a try and it was definitely helpful for me, picked up another 2 tents. Hopefully tomorrow I can give it another go and make better use of it.

As you say, ballast, aero, rear toe and LSD are the settings that have the most significant effect on a car’s behaviour, and the other settings are more for fine tuning. And I’d agree that the tunes looked quite different to mine from the brief look I had at them… ballast/ride/LSD were significantly different. I had started testing a ballasted tune on Sunday afternoon, but didn’t have time to finish it, but I hadn’t considered using a high ride height.


My comments on LSD settings weren’t aimed at someone as quick as you, Z06… more to help the averagely skilled player. Someone running 1’46’s, for example, would not feel the benefit in the faster stuff (if they could, they would be running 44’s or 43’s)… but they would notice they were getting better traction out of the slower corners using a lower setting… and exit speed is king in lap times.


Good luck 👍

 

[WhoosierGirl]

I thought I was done but, none of my friends I usually race with were on so I made a few more laps.
Knocked a little more off to a 1:44.070...so close to a 43, lol.
I had a few laps where I was faster but messed up the last section because I got nervous.
On one lap I was over a tenth ahead and hit the inside curb on the last right and lost all my speed heading to the finish line.
I was so bummed because the lap still ended up being an .074, I had a 43 right there and goofed it up. Hate when that happens, lol.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Hi, folks, I have massive love for the classic JGTC cars - one of them is the Castrol Tom's Supra '97

I've just driven a brand new 0 miles Tom's Supra '97, tuned it at this TT, aiming for real life power figure at 498+HP and some ballast to help get that perfect balance. Ran the car for at least an hour without stopping - 30+laps

​

TUNE

Castrol TOM's Supra '97

Specs
Power : 500 HP - yep only 500 horses.
Torque : 490 ft lb - mountain load of torque from 2 liter 4 pot - believe it, buddy !!
Switched : 1
Wins : 0
Distance Traveled : 0 km - no oil change-bought from NCD
Weight : 1190 kg
Ballast Amount : 40 kg
Ballast Position : 50
Weight Distribution : 50 / 50 - the magic number
Installed Upgrades : High RPM Turbo Kit
Power Limiter Level : 93.6%
Aero : 41 /56 - makes Takata jelly

Transmission in kmh :
Reset to Default
Set Final to 3.266
Set Top Speed slider to left most ( minimum-200 kmh )
Set each gearing like so :
1st 4.368
2nd 3.203
3rd 2.470
4th 1.990
5th 1.674
6th 1.410
Set Final 2.435
The graph should show 296 kmh top speed

Suspension F/R
Height : -5 -5
Spring : 16.5 15.0
Extension : 5 6
Comp : 2 3
ARB : 4 4
Camber : 0.3 0.3
Toe : -0.18 -0.12

LSD
Intitial : 7
Accel : 10
Brake : 5

Brake Balance : 9 / 4 - ABS 0, if running ABS 1, use 7 / 4 or your choice.

The car has great chassis balance, very responsive, 1st turn and the hairpin after the high speed esses are the most fun, brake deep and pedal to the metal from 2nd gear . This car is for those who wanted extreme rush and fun, not for those who look for top 10 rank It tops at just over 270 kmh, much slower than the Takata in straight line, but on par in cornering prowess + the fun factor simply cannot be beaten.

Tip : Extreme precision in throttle control mid corner is paramount, the car has immense torque ( 3SGTE FTW )
Nail the entry, reap the exit speed


I lost track of time when I drove it for over 30 laps non stop. I got low 1:49 ( no ABS ) with the car on this TT - no curbing or cutting the concrete section, slow I know, but I'm proud of it Someone with a wheel and relatively quick should be able to get at least 1:46.

EDIT : Tune updated - new time 1:48.783 with the updated tune, no ABS + stick, no curbing or concrete cutting

 

[nowcontrol]

Below is Stottys tune which many use and which is an excellent base tune, he posted it some pages back.

Takata Dome NSX '03
Part fitted: Engine stage 3
Power level: 93.4%
Ballast: 4 @ pos 50 (used to fine tune ppts)
Aero: 35 57

Makes 527bhp @ 1,174kg for 600pps

Suspension
Ride -15 -15
Springs 16.5 14.8
Rebound 8 6
Bound 7 5
ARB 4 3
Camber 2.2 1.8
Toe 0.00 -0.00

LSD 5 15 5

Brakes 5 6

Gears (re-set to default, set max speed to minimum, then set individual gears)
1st 4.589
2nd 3.365
3rd 2.731
4th 2.291
5th 1.968
6th 1.707
Final 2.600

Here's the tune I'm using for Takata Dome (thanks to pmjg for the loaner 👍 ). Did a 144.661 but still got 2-3 tenths to find.

540 bhp
1220 kg
Ballast: 50 kg @ 42
RH: 10/10
Spr: 14/11.5
DE: 6/8
DC: 2/4
ARB: 4/6
Camb: 2.0/1.0
Toe: 0.05/-0.05
LSD: 8/9/8 = for DS3 use, 50 accel was just too much
DF: 35/60
BB: 5/3

Using Stotty's transmission settings

Have tried both of these tunes over the last couple of hours and although great tunes to begin with, I did feel that they needed these few adjustments to give an overall more balanced ride, for me anyway. They are only small changes because I did not want to make any changes that would turn them into completely new tunes either. I did 1:46.2's with both and could possibly do better with more time.

Anyway.....

My own tune for this TT has been somewhat of an evolution and this is why I haven't posted it sooner because I could not stop myself from making constant changes, I did, however, keep my shared NSX updated with it for those that have borrowed.....
so this is the final tune that I THINK I have settled with....



Please try it, and give me your opinions if you'd like.

 

[screp RC]

Although I am not putting much effort on the last time trials (my brain switched to GT6 waiting mode ) I find it sad that there is no privacy on the setups each player is using.

Defeats the whole purpose of joining and representing a team or really spend those extra hours fine tuning and studying each particular car-course combo.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Although I am not putting much effort on the last time trials (my brain switched to GT6 waiting mode ) I find it sad that there is no privacy on the setups each player is using.

Defeats the whole purpose of joining and representing a team or really spend those extra hours fine tuning and studying each particular car-course combo.

I agree with you on the privacy thing and I take full responsibility for what I did in extracting doodles replay data to have a peek at his setup to satisfy my own curiosity. Even though I did not use, in part or in whole, his setup, it was still wrong of me to do what I did and I apologize.

 

[Stewyripper]

I couldn't agree with you more on the part that I have bolded.

As for taking the game seriously, I think everyone here knows just how serious I take this game and I am not afraid to say that it has become a way of life for me. It has come to this given my love for cars and then also my current life's situation with my disability. I just love it when people tell me to get a life, or get a job, or do things that a normal person without a handicap can do. I have come a long ways in my 2 1/2 years since my life-changing car accident and if it wasn't for GT5 and the friends I've made here, I don't think I would have made it this far, both in the game and in life itself. I say this all because before people ridicule people for how serious some take this game, maybe they should stop and think about the person's life situation and what they are trying to accomplish, both in-game and life itself.

Could not agree more about life and gt5.
We moved from cornwall uk to london for work, within 6 months i was in hospital, Heart was in a really bad way. then a year later two heart attacks. Now told i will never work again. so started getting serious about gt5 and tts.
Still pretty rubbish at it but getting better.
Stewy

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Could not agree more about life and gt5.
We moved from cornwall uk to london for work, within 6 months i was in hospital, Heart was in a really bad way. then a year later two heart attacks. Now told i will never work again. so started getting serious about gt5 and tts.
Still pretty rubbish at it but getting better.
Stewy

Wow stewy, sorry to hear about all this but I certainly can relate to your situation, although yours is a bit more serious than mine, beings its your heart and all. Really hope things get better for you stewy and I wish you good health in the future.

As for your skill progression, keep at it and you will improve, I promise. When I started out, day one release, I couldn't even keep a car on the track to save my soul. I kept practicing, sometimes 8-10 hours a day, and eventually got a little better but still had a long ways to go. About a year ago, I joined the WRS and started out in D4 Bronze. Got the help I needed there and with more practice and continual competing there, eventually moved up to D2 Bronze. So, just keep at it. With hard work and determination, you will improve beyond what you thought you were capable. Again stewy, sorry to hear about your health problems, hope all goes well with you from here on out.

 

[Doodle]

Although I am not putting much effort on the last time trials (my brain switched to GT6 waiting mode ) I find it sad that there is no privacy on the setups each player is using.

Defeats the whole purpose of joining and representing a team or really spend those extra hours fine tuning and studying each particular car-course combo.

You might have not spent much time on it, but you're only .022 behind me.

 

[screp RC]

You might have not spent much time on it, but you're only .022 behind me.

Yeah, the car-track combo is nice and I got a good lap that I felt would ensure me the top 10.After that I haven´t tried the TT again (and won´t have the chance to).

Where I will try to put as much efort as possible is on those first GT6 TT´s. Really excited

 

[macxdream]

Managed a good improvement tonight to a 1:45.5 using borrowed car from MFSHARE and Stotty tune.

STOTTY´s wrote :

"1) To try and make the events more enjoyable for those that can’t or don’t have the time to tune...

that is, because I looked for a place like the GTPLANET , for HELP , Thanks for share, Stotty, MFShare, GTPSHARE, Stewyripper (Thanks for add me as friend) Ridox...and all who are always available to help.

 

[RavingBonkers]

it was a joke...

I know