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Time Trial #74: 600pp GT500 @ Grand Valley Speedway
- Thread starter Doodle
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There's plenty of Forums for Gran Turismo, Raacerx, but you can bet this one is really special.
Welcome to GTPlanet.
That's a pretty decent time - IMO, anyone who golds the event is a worthy player. BTW - did you only recently start playing GT5 - or did you only recently come Online?
I'm at 1:46.9 now, hoping to try out an 03 Dome, someone has offered to share me one so that will be interesting.
I'm not new to GT5, but I hadn't played in over a year and I don't usually do seasonals, I pretty much spend 95% of my time doing the Nurburgring or Laguna Seca, as I drive Laguna Seca a few times a year in real life.
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Ridox,
When I first read you were considering posting the tunes of the top cars on the leader board I thought to myself, Oh boy, this is not going to end well. But after seeing the tunes I was quite surprised, relieved and amused as all 5 have so much in common with the tunes already graciously posted in the pages of this thread. Great tunes we all have tweeked to suit our style and used to improve our lap times. Many times I've thought if I only had that guys tune I would improve.
Well after seeing and tring the tunes its pretty clear to see. It's the archer not the arrow.
Would someone tell me again how to get to Carnegie Hall? 💡
When I first read you were considering posting the tunes of the top cars on the leader board I thought to myself, Oh boy, this is not going to end well. But after seeing the tunes I was quite surprised, relieved and amused as all 5 have so much in common with the tunes already graciously posted in the pages of this thread. Great tunes we all have tweeked to suit our style and used to improve our lap times. Many times I've thought if I only had that guys tune I would improve.
Well after seeing and tring the tunes its pretty clear to see. It's the archer not the arrow.
Would someone tell me again how to get to Carnegie Hall? 💡
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- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
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Ridox,
When I first read you were considering posting the tunes of the top cars on the leader board I thought to myself, Oh boy, this is not going to end well. But after seeing the tunes I was quite surprised, relieved and amused as all 5 have so much in common with the tunes already graciously posted in the pages of this thread. Great tunes we all have tweeked to suit our style and used to improve our lap times. Many times I've thought if I only had that guys tune I would improve.
Well after seeing and tring the tunes its pretty clear to see. It's the archer not the arrow.
Would someone tell me again how to get to Carnegie Hall? 💡
Exactly. There is no end all, be all super tune that will automatically make you into an instant alien. Just because you get ahold of a tune that one of the top 10 drivers are using, doesn't mean that its going to turn you into an instant top 10 driver yourself. A good tune is only going to net you .300 - .400 at the very most, and that's stretching it a little. You have to be able to actually drive the car before any tune is going to help you improve. Some people here just need to come to grips that their driving skill is what needs to be improved upon, not the tune.
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- mustafur
Pretty huge changes with those tunes and what im using, hopefully i can find more time this way and get in the 33s.
To clarify on what cargo is saying it depends on your driving style, a worse tune that is better suited to how you drive will likely find you getting better times out of it but will have a lower limit as best time possible.
Stottys set took me a few hours to.understand how to extract more out of it, at the start i was struggling to get used to the really sensitive throttle( I usually set it so its not sensitive so i can get on power earlier) but once i did I was getting much better timea then the way I was used to.
To clarify on what cargo is saying it depends on your driving style, a worse tune that is better suited to how you drive will likely find you getting better times out of it but will have a lower limit as best time possible.
Stottys set took me a few hours to.understand how to extract more out of it, at the start i was struggling to get used to the really sensitive throttle( I usually set it so its not sensitive so i can get on power earlier) but once i did I was getting much better timea then the way I was used to.
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Been away for a few - seemed like I was starting all over early yesterday - till last night I started making line adjusts and gains in sector 2.
Today I Was able to improve on second lap of the day to: 1:46.663
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I see there is a lot to read and catch up on here maybe a few tunes to try. Just at a quick glance I see the top 5 tunes w/ a higher Acceleration LSD setting. So for starters I may make some changes there...over all pretty happy w/ the tune I'm using at the moment .. Just need laps and better rhythm here and there.
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Congrats for all the improvements made!
Today I Was able to improve on second lap of the day to: 1:46.663
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I see there is a lot to read and catch up on here maybe a few tunes to try. Just at a quick glance I see the top 5 tunes w/ a higher Acceleration LSD setting. So for starters I may make some changes there...over all pretty happy w/ the tune I'm using at the moment .. Just need laps and better rhythm here and there.
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Congrats for all the improvements made!
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They are random, even the 2 to 4 are not in order, and YOU are the one giving away by mentioning it in your post. I have messaged one of the mod/WRS Race admin ( Sphinx ) here over a week ago ( Nov 3 ) about posting tunes without mentioning driver and times, there was never a response, so I take it it's fine as it's within AUP.
If the mods requested to remove it, I will remove it.
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As much as I would like to have the tunes from the top drivers:tup:, I feel that without their permission, their tunes should not be posted publically.
They may have spent a ton of hours testing various setups before they arrived at their ideal tune, which might be giving them a few cherished tenths, which is something that should only be given away by the top drivers themselves.
Respectfully,
GTsail
They may have spent a ton of hours testing various setups before they arrived at their ideal tune, which might be giving them a few cherished tenths, which is something that should only be given away by the top drivers themselves.
Respectfully,
GTsail
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For me, as long as I don't mention the respective name and time of each tune, no one knows which tune belong to which but the driver themselves, they will just be random tunes that happens to be from top times. And there is no ideal tune, some part might be the same, but they are always unique to suit the driver's style and skill. I posted them as reference for others to help them better themselves.
GTsail says it best. My teammates spent hours and hours trying to make that tune perfect, and for YOU to give it away to the public with your hacking program is just idiotic. Use that program more responsibly.
Your tune is not perfect, no one does. I never gave them away, I don't mention names or times for each tune - YOU ARE. Please report my post, so it will be deleted, if need be. It's not hacking, I only read/translate the data.
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I agree with them, your going by your standards rather then theirs in sending them which is wrong.
They have spent lots of time setting the car up and should be entitled to withold it if they choose.
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Yes it's pretty obvious which driver uses which tune, except for the tune 2 and 3 but it doesn't matter as only difference between those two is LSD.
As Cargo said it's all about the skill and I have a feeling these tunes won't help us too much so Doodle don't worry! I won't bother commenting is this tune sharing right or wrong but i think I understand what's Ridox trying to do here and that's the wish that we all have the same conditions, which is not the case in f1 with Vettel and Red Bull. This isn't probably the best way but anyway, great effort Ridox, for last couple off weeks starting with Miura sharing and all the help.
As Cargo said it's all about the skill and I have a feeling these tunes won't help us too much so Doodle don't worry! I won't bother commenting is this tune sharing right or wrong but i think I understand what's Ridox trying to do here and that's the wish that we all have the same conditions, which is not the case in f1 with Vettel and Red Bull. This isn't probably the best way but anyway, great effort Ridox, for last couple off weeks starting with Miura sharing and all the help.
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Yes it's pretty obvious which driver uses which tune, except for the tune 2 and 3 but it doesn't matter as only difference between those two is LSD.
As Cargo said it's all about the skill and I have a feeling these tunes won't help us too much so Doodle don't worry! I won't bother commenting is this tune sharing right or wrong but i think I understand what's Ridox trying to do here and that's the wish that we all have the same conditions, which is not the case in f1 with Vettel and Red Bull. This isn't probably the best way but anyway, great effort Ridox, for last couple off weeks starting with Miura sharing and all the help
And thanks Matej for the edit.
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I already reported the tune post to the mods, waiting for their response.
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Honestly if I were in Doodle's shoes I'd probably feel the same way. He's not just speaking for himself he is speaking for his team and tuner...and quite possibly mostly upset with their best interest in mind not his.
...and especially being in a hard earned top spot. who would want to give someone just behind a tid bit of info to maybe pass them up.
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On the other hand if your tuned into GTPlanet to learn all you can - as most here are - thanks for sharing the tunes. I totally agree with the obviouse. A tune is not going to make a driver out of anyone. The driver still has to get it done. Yeah, a tweak here and there will help gain, but ultimately there are no miracle tunes.
...and especially being in a hard earned top spot. who would want to give someone just behind a tid bit of info to maybe pass them up.
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On the other hand if your tuned into GTPlanet to learn all you can - as most here are - thanks for sharing the tunes. I totally agree with the obviouse. A tune is not going to make a driver out of anyone. The driver still has to get it done. Yeah, a tweak here and there will help gain, but ultimately there are no miracle tunes.
I doubt very much that the top drivers aren't looking at their competitors tunes, if we can do it it would be absurd to presume that they aren't also, I'd reckon that's a given.
As Dan says, we come here to learn about cars and tunes, as well as to post our times in our little rivalries, but I doubt many will be able to say they gained a second by using any of the tunes recently posted.
In short, a storm in a teacup.
As Dan says, we come here to learn about cars and tunes, as well as to post our times in our little rivalries, but I doubt many will be able to say they gained a second by using any of the tunes recently posted.
In short, a storm in a teacup.
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I knew there was going to be some backlash when you posted those tunes Rido. That's exactly why I didn't post doodles tune when I was messing around with him about knowing his tune. With all due respect to you Rido as you are a good friend of mine, I also have to disagree with what you have done here. Its not a question about it being against the AUP but more about being respectful of others work. Even though I basically did the same thing by extracting the data to reveal doodle's tune, I did not publish my findings, which is where you crossed the line, in my opinion. As I previously said, I don't think there is an AUP violation here, but it is more like an unwritten rule that you don't post other people's tunes without their permission. Even though you did not put names to the tunes, that does not make it any more right as you still posted the tunes of the top 5 drivers.
I hope that by me giving my opinion here on this matter that it doesn't hurt our friendship. I am pretty sure that I know you well enough to say that you are mature enough to not let this disagreement come between us and our friendship Rido. I don't hold what you done here against you, I just simply don't agree with it and hope you can understand my side of things.
Mitch
I hope that by me giving my opinion here on this matter that it doesn't hurt our friendship. I am pretty sure that I know you well enough to say that you are mature enough to not let this disagreement come between us and our friendship Rido. I don't hold what you done here against you, I just simply don't agree with it and hope you can understand my side of things.
Mitch
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Both sides have fair points. The problem is, it's possible to extract setup data from replays, so if top-tunes are not allowed to be posted, you're just going to have more and more people wanting to learn how they can extract the data themselves.
Personally, I know I'd be happy enough (wouldn't bother learning how to do it myself) if just 3 of the top 10 tunes - of course no names or times - were allowed to be posted. And IMO it would be best (lead to the most interesting discussion) if the person posting them picked 3 clearly different tunes----this would also make it impossible to spot a "team tune".
Anyway, a big thanks to fordlaser777 and SUBA_1980 and all the people here who've helped me with this TT.
Personally, I know I'd be happy enough (wouldn't bother learning how to do it myself) if just 3 of the top 10 tunes - of course no names or times - were allowed to be posted. And IMO it would be best (lead to the most interesting discussion) if the person posting them picked 3 clearly different tunes----this would also make it impossible to spot a "team tune".
Anyway, a big thanks to fordlaser777 and SUBA_1980 and all the people here who've helped me with this TT.
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Tune are only as good as the driver who uses it, for me tune are not special, some only share the tune within their own group, I see it as a sign of pride, presumably thinking the tune sets them apart from the rest, while it actually each individual who sets it apart with the lap time, not the tune. When I see many drivers uses very similar "secret" tune and have very close time, I see potential to be gained but lost, because the drivers has a tendency to stuck with the tune. Who knows with more tuning or from others tune for study , there would be room for improvement. It's not like there's only one ultimate tune that will yield best time and fits all. My opinion of course.
I am sure even the number one driver learn something by knowing the other to 5 tunes, how power and weight are chosen to fit certain driving styles, by comparing the replays visually and corresponding tunes, there may be more information to be had, like how distance traveled + weight + power affects the car performance and ultimately more decisive than the rest portion of the tune ( suspension, LSD, gear ratio ), of course the driving part is right at the top still I see the number 1 driver tune also evolving since last week and he's seems to be fine with the post so far.
One of the tune posted also differs quite a lot to others tune ( chassis reinforce, aggressive LSD accel, high BB, different suspension tuning style and longer gearing ) yet the time between the 5 are very close, with a gap of less than half a second. Driver really plays huge part of this.
All is fine, I am not easily offended
, I never have any intention to cause trouble here, but since one of the top 5 having objection, and some others do not agree with me posting it, I have PM'd mods and they are looking into it. I'll just wait for their response. If it's to be deleted or edited, then I won't post such content anymore in the future, and I might kept getting tons of messages asking for certain tune
I am sure even the number one driver learn something by knowing the other to 5 tunes, how power and weight are chosen to fit certain driving styles, by comparing the replays visually and corresponding tunes, there may be more information to be had, like how distance traveled + weight + power affects the car performance and ultimately more decisive than the rest portion of the tune ( suspension, LSD, gear ratio ), of course the driving part is right at the top still
I see the number 1 driver tune also evolving since last week and he's seems to be fine with the post so far.One of the tune posted also differs quite a lot to others tune ( chassis reinforce, aggressive LSD accel, high BB, different suspension tuning style and longer gearing ) yet the time between the 5 are very close, with a gap of less than half a second. Driver really plays huge part of this.
All is fine, I am not easily offended
, I never have any intention to cause trouble here, but since one of the top 5 having objection, and some others do not agree with me posting it, I have PM'd mods and they are looking into it. I'll just wait for their response. If it's to be deleted or edited, then I won't post such content anymore in the future, and I might kept getting tons of messages asking for certain tune 
Doodle
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but since one of the top 5 having objection, and some others do not agree with me posting it, I have PM'd mods and they are looking into it. I'll just wait for their response. If it's to be deleted or edited, then I won't post such content anymore in the future, and I might kept getting tons of messages asking for certain tune
Actually, 2. I told @IMMORTALPILOT about it and he was extremely mad.
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Well, he PM'd me asking how I did it several hours ago, and that's about it. He didn't say anything else and his words were polite, if he was mad, it would be a given in his message.
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Tune are only as good as the driver who uses it, for me tune are not special, some only share the tune within their own group, I see it as a sign of pride, presumably thinking the tune sets them apart from the rest, while it actually each individual who sets it apart with the lap time, not the tune. When I see many drivers uses very similar "secret" tune and have very close time, I see potential to be gained but lost, because the drivers has a tendency to stuck with the tune. Who knows with more tuning or from others tune for study , there would be room for improvement. It's not like there's only one ultimate tune that will yield best time and fits all. My opinion of course.
I am sure even the number one driver learn something by knowing the other to 5 tunes, how power and weight are chosen to fit certain driving styles, by comparing the replays visually and corresponding tunes, there may be more information to be had, like how distance traveled + weight + power affects the car performance and ultimately more decisive than the rest portion of the tune ( suspension, LSD, gear ratio ), of course the driving part is right at the top still
One of the tune posted also differs quite a lot to others tune ( chassis reinforce, aggressive LSD accel, high BB, different suspension tuning style and longer gearing ) yet the time between the 5 are very close, with a gap of less than half a second. Driver really plays huge part of this.
All is fine, I am not easily offended
That's good to hear Rido, I knew you were mature enough to handle the discussion in a good manner. 👍 I knew you weren't trying to cause trouble but was only trying to help people here, I just think maybe you should have asked the owners of the tunes permission to post their tunes, that's all. Its a common courtesy type of thing when it comes to situations like this. I also had a few pm's asking me to post other peoples tunes and how to extract the data. I just politely responded back that it is against the AUP to discuss how to extract the replay data and if they wanted a certain person's tune, then they should contact that person and not me. In each case, the person completely understood and there were no hard feelings.
