No
There is a very fundamental difference between pausing a race and saving a race. Saving allows people to go back in time during a race if they do something wrong and restart from a previous position.....or cheating as it is also known. It also allows you to turn off the race and use the PS3 for something else.
Pausing does not. You are still required to run the full 24 hour race before you do anything else and you cannot reload a previous position if you do something wrong.
completely irrelevant...it doesn't matter what extra stuff saves allow you to do...pausing the game still COMPLETELY breaks the realism and dedication that you claim to be striving for...
It makes the race an......oh whats the word.......endurace
No, it doesn't because pausing the game still takes this away...and at that point your simply making it a test of long your your PS3 will go on torch mode before its solder melts and causes a YLoD...
yes they do. You are dedicating your PS3 to finishing the race before you do anything else with it. That is a higher level of dedication to the race tan somebody that does it in 20 min chunks inbetween COD marathons.
(isn't that obvious?)
only in your egotistical extrinsically motivated mind...
other than that you're just dedicating your PS3 to unnecessary wear and tear...
I meant not being able to "do anything else" with your PS3. Sorry I thought I made that clear.
that is again irrelevant! By having a pause you're still absolutely breaking the "endurance" or "realism" of the race. And at that point you're simply just more willing to cause harm to your PS3 than other people..
having the 24 hour race be a 10 lap event with a speaded up time shift to simulate 24 hours of day/night and weather cycles in 30 mins of racing would also "allow more people to experience the complete game that they paid for..."
would you be happy if they did that?
would I be happy? Sure because more people could play and enjoy the game. It would have ZERO effect on me personally because I would complete the game the way I wanted to complete it, and others could complete the game the way they want to complete it. Unlike you, i don't crave the respect and admiration of the common folk of gaming because i was willing to put in 24hrs straight sitting on my couch with my fake steering wheel and pedals...
As for stroking my ego......perhaps you are misunderstanding something rather fundemantal about video games. People play them because the skill required to complete them makes the game fun. I could write a game where all you do is press X and a big sign flashes up saying "Congratulations.....you won!"
do you think anybody would play it? Of course they would not. Without a challenge there is no fun in playing.
yet once again you fail to see past your ego. Because if the save option was added, the challenge for YOU would be no less. Just because the save option is there, does not mean you have to use it. You could still challenge YOURSELF to complete the 24hr race in the way that you want to do it. And by doing it this way you would be able to pride yourself in the fact that you really truly did the 24 hour race as realistically as possible...
Games start out easy to be accessible for as many people as possible and then get progressivly harder to challenge the people that play them the longest to push their skill......because that is what makes a game fun.
but you're completely missing the point! This isnt about skill, this is about having the opportunity to do it...the SKILL is no different than any of the other races...real life race drivers do these things as their job, they don't have to go to work everyday and THEN find time to enter LeMans....no...LeMans IS their job.
And as i said above...the challenge would still be there for you to take on...
yes i agree with you that simply pressing X and winning in a game would suck, and nobody would play it. But you're exaggerating the "challenge drives motivation" aspect of your argument. Some people simply DO NOT have the time to dedicate to this race in the way you want them to. and because of that, the endurance races act in a way to reduce motivation, because people will then figure...
"Well since there is no way i will ever get to complete the game, why should i even bother completing the earlier races as well?"
You also compare GT5 to other games where people can play on different difficulty levels. That argument is also completely flawed. Because GT5 does not have different difficulty levels, and the endurance races to not make up for that.
The 24 hr endurance races in GT5 are the very last thing you unlock. They are designed for people who have played the game long enough to unlock lvl 35-40. They are designed to be the toughest part of the game since they will be the final thing that you do.
ive completed two endurance races, and have yet to reach level 30. So, no its not the last thing i unlock.
Your arguement is no different than saying that every game out there shoud have an easy button that makes sure anybody can finish the game no matter what their skill level just so that everybody can finish the game.
and why not? why should anyone of lesser skill than me not get to fully experience the storyline of a game that they paid the same amount of money for as me, simply because im better at the game than them?...
Imagine an option where at the start of a race you press the easy button and every other car in the race stands stationary whilst whilst you drive 20 yards to the finish flag to get the same rewards as somebody that ran the entire race.
your arguments are becoming completely asinine...
Yeah everybody can finish the game and hey if you dont like the feature then just dont use it. But dont try to claim that that wouldn't devalue the game to the point of making playing it pointless. If not then why doesn't any other game maker do that?
it would only devalue the game because you require that extrinsic motivation of everyone thinking you're so cool for completing the game. If you were not in need of such ego stroking, then you would then turn to your own intrinsic motivation and complete the game the way you want and gain the satisfaction of knowing you did it the "right way" and didn't take the "easy way" out...
Then don't race that way. Do it by yourself. Again your claiming that every race in the game has to be for the lowest possible level of player. remove the chalenge from every race and what is the point of even playing anymore.
the point of playing? because im motivated to complete the game because i enjoy racing in GT5
So your claiming that the people that dont want to complete any of the endurace races because they want a save feature would be happy with having to race for 8 hours without being able to save?
no im not saying they would be happy, but it surely would appease some people...
There are already endurance races shorter than that that people say they wont race without a save......why would they suddenly be happy with 8 hours before you can save.
i never said they would be happy with 8 hours..
Clearly it's not "just me" that would not be happy.
yeah, but you're also clearly outnumbered by those that want the save feature.
Again I was talking about not being able to use the PS3 for something else. That shoud have been obvious.
regardless it completely voids your entire argument, because the pause is just as damaging to the "challenge" and "endurance" aspect of the game...
and as I have explained yes it does. Remove the challenge of a game and you remove the reason to play it.
no, because some of us are, once again not motivated by the approval of others, and just want to enjoy and complete the game we paid for...
not to mention, like i explained above, the endurance races act just as much to remove motivation as they do to encourage it..
Or are you honestly trying to say that you would be happy repeatedly playing me "press X to win" game.
again, asinine arguments...
Are you honestly suggesting that I cant express any one opinion about a feature without providing a laundry list of other features I would also liked changed in every post?
not at all...my point was simply that all of those "features" would be equally absurd, and if you were to disagree with any of those, then you would be a hypocrite...
Edit: thinking back to your worries about people re-loading their saves after messing up...
regardless of the fact that i think it doesnt matter, because it doesn't effect you...
GT5 has an autosave feature built in...they could tackle saving in multiple ways...
- autosave after a certain period of time (1hr? 2hr?)
- autosave every time you enter the pits
that means if you want to go back and load a save...you're potentially loosing hours of time you have already put into the game...an added penalty to those who want to "cheat"
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