Gran Turismo7058
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If you want a Avatar of these Pictures Ask me.PLZ
~~~Update~~~Bye Z3 Hello Z4
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Heel yeah! I personally think it looks great and I'd love to see it close up! I don't think it's any more 'overstyled' than the Shelby Cobra was back in it's day (the 66-67 Stingray comes to mind as well).
Kinda like Mozart, people will say there are too many notes... so M5Power is probably right in that it won't make it to production just like that.
Heel yeah! I personally think it looks great and I'd love to see it close up! I don't think it's any more 'overstyled' than the Shelby Cobra was back in it's day (the 66-67 Stingray comes to mind as well).
Kinda like Mozart, people will say there are too many notes... so M5Power is probably right in that it won't make it to production just like that.
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i think its ugly,but thats just me 
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Originally posted by M5Power
I had a bunch of 'an' chuckle when I read Powerman's location - it's not "Lost on an Highway," it's "Lost on a Highway."
On topic, that car is soooo overstyled. And now the back is stolen from the S2000.
Indeed, most 28 year olds usually know the correct usage of 'an' and 'a'...
much better than z3
Yea I'm pretty sure it's production :bmw:, from the first post it sounds definate.......
And Vat_Man I know we don't always agree, but I need some of your good advice :thumbsup:...Powerman has kinda stole the whole subject of this thread and could have easily posted his pics in here...but he's started a thread of his own :rscared:... what should i do
And Vat_Man I know we don't always agree, but I need some of your good advice :thumbsup:...Powerman has kinda stole the whole subject of this thread and could have easily posted his pics in here...but he's started a thread of his own :rscared:... what should i do
Gran Turismo7058
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Why did you change your avatar dude????The other one looked better
Originally posted by GCstyle
It's only a new body for the Z3, BMW just wanted to be fancy and put the next number. 4.
From what's been printed recently, the 3-series is splitting, basically. The "upper half" of the 3 (330i/ci/xi/M3) will become the 4-series along with the Z4, seeing as how it's pretty close to the same dimensions of 1985's 5-series. The "lower half" (325i/ti/etc) will stay as 3's, with a coupe of their own...or so they say.
If you mean the car, it's your friend and mine, Mr. Bungle^H^H^H^H^HBangle.
If you mean the split, well...I think it makes sense. The 3-series was starting to stray from its origins. Becomind too large, a bit too soft (330xi, at least). Best to "move it up", and re-create the 3-series to what it used to be. Granted, the recreation of the E30 will be taken up by the 1-series, but diversification is key (or so car companies believe). Cover every segment, and you're bound to win somewhere.
We're all bitter old men, and we miss the days of well-designed cars: Europe in the 1960's. [Well, okay; hardly any of us are old, and we're certainly not bitter...maybe *I* am, though.]
I think the reason these cars are picked on is because they've gotten themselves noticed in the first place. And they've struck a cord -- some like it a lot, some don't...a lot. Of course, we *are* severly opinionated. Otherwise, why waste time on a web forum? Does anyone who matters in the auto industry really read this? What it is, though, is a place to vent our joys and frustrations about the auto industry. Apparently, it's mostly frustrations these days.
I don't like the Z4. That's mostly because I don't like Bangle's style. I like Monet's style, but not Warhol's. Both can be considered great artists by different people. It's just a matter of personal taste.
[Dammit, I'm changing my .sig to "Sorry for the rambling...".]
Ugh! I hear what you're saying about the 3-series straying from its roots - this straying is more clearly evident in the M3 than anywhere else though. It costs $55,000 now, which is double the price of a new 3-series. When the original M3 came out, it only cost about $10,000 more than a new 3-series.
In any case, this is my problem with the luxury car makers - covering every segment. Give me a break! Mercedes and Audi both entered the mini-luxury-MPV segment, and for some reason Mercedes has three convertibles, all of which compete against each other (SLK320 vs. CLK320, CLK430 vs. SL500 or SLK55).
Remember when they built cars without cost in mind? Ahh, good times.
My biggest problem with BMW is occupying so many segments. The 1-series is so small! Who's the target market? Didn't BMW see with the somewhat failure of the 2002 (and subsequent failure of 318ti and more recently the European 3-series compact) that no one wants a baby BMW???
Ahh, my point from before concerning the Lexus RX300....
I never understood the difference between the CL and CLK. They're the same car: same layout, same options, same engine options, only differing in size and not even by that much. Perhaps this is the reason Daimler-Chrylser is so slow to recover from their losses?I don't see the 2002 as a failure -- at least not as far as what makes a good sports sedan. A financial failure, perhaps. The 3-ti failed because it was just ugly and a poor performer (not that the new one is much different). I think BMW is following what most American companies are doing: recycling old ideas in lieu of "getting back to their roots". Some I like (next Mustang, GT40), some I don't (Marauder, Bel Air); some will win (next Mustang, Marauder) and some won't (Bel Air, GT40). The 1-series is BMW squeezing something between the Mini and the 3-series (or 2-series if rumours are true). Not especially bright, IMO. After all, it can be argued that Gore lost the election because Nader tried to run (stealing the green votes...).
The CL and CLK are more different than the SLK and CLK. Mercedes clearly has different segments covered, but there's considerable overlapping. Case in point: Who the hell would buy a CLK320 convertible when you could have an SLK320, with the retractable hardtop?
I don't consider the 2002 a failure as a car - it wasn't extremely profitable, but it is a significant vehicle in the market itself....the 318ti wasn't too ugly!
Oooh, I disagree with what you think will fail as far as the future US cars. Frankly, I think the Marauder, like all previous huge Mercury sedans will fail. The Mustang can't fail, obviously. The Bel Air, like the Mini, T-bird, and New Beetle, will take off originally, but fail later. The GT40 can't fail either if they produce it in the volumes they're talking about. If they actually make more than 10,000 we might have a borderline failure on our hands (odd as it sounds).
And Gore did lose that election because of Nader, not Florida!! Grrrrr...
I don't consider the 2002 a failure as a car - it wasn't extremely profitable, but it is a significant vehicle in the market itself....the 318ti wasn't too ugly!
Oooh, I disagree with what you think will fail as far as the future US cars. Frankly, I think the Marauder, like all previous huge Mercury sedans will fail. The Mustang can't fail, obviously. The Bel Air, like the Mini, T-bird, and New Beetle, will take off originally, but fail later. The GT40 can't fail either if they produce it in the volumes they're talking about. If they actually make more than 10,000 we might have a borderline failure on our hands (odd as it sounds).
And Gore did lose that election because of Nader, not Florida!! Grrrrr...
