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An irrelevant point seeing as its happened now. The guy who made the film would have surely known it would happen. And hence he is a fricking moron for making it.
What good did it do making such a film? It has no artistic quality. Its a disgusting display of completely idiocy at a time when the world is quite tense over this subject matter.

And to blame it on the angry mob just ignores what caused the mob to get angry in the first place. Religion alone does not make people angry.

Personally I think the angry mob have every right to be angry. Nothing justifies violence and killing over it..but personally I think you're just as bad as the filmmaker if you really think the problem is religious extremists.

This is a much further-reaching problem that has been building up over some time. The biggest source of this problem has unfortunately been western media who have portrayed a certain religion in this negative light. Though said religion has been tarnished by extremists.

As I said, the circle goes on. And people on both sides seem oblivious that there is a circle and that it only leads to death.

Reminds me of the story between the Narn and the Centauri in Babylon 5 - each wanting to get revenge on each other so much that their story could only end in death for both and both refused to recognise the futility of their conflict. There is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost.
Great post! 👍 Youve got to be a first class plonker to expect a nation of over a billion people to remain silent whilst their religion is under attack. You provoke a people, dont expect them to just lie down and take it! Im not condoning the violence but the muppet who provoked them in the first place is ultimately the one with blood on his hands.
 
Youve got to be a first class plonker to expect a nation of over a billion people to remain silent whilst their religion is under attack
Then why aren't Christians going crazy if some video on the internet makes fun of Jesus? I mean, have you ever heard of riots because of Monthy Python's Life of Brian?

Of course it was dumb to make that video, it doesn't justify the reaction though.
 
Then why aren't Christians going crazy if some video on the internet makes fun of Jesus? I mean, have you ever heard of riots because of Monthy Python's Life of Brian?

Of course it was dumb to make that video, it doesn't justify the reaction though.

Since when was Christianity under attack on the same scale as Islam is right now?
 
Then why aren't Christians going crazy if some video on the internet makes fun of Jesus? I mean, have you ever heard of riots because of Monthy Python's Life of Brian?

Of course it was dumb to make that video, it doesn't justify the reaction though.

I have to agree with this - today the "protests' reached Sydney as a bunch of yobbo's bravely wearing balaclava's and toting signs inciting violence protested illegally down the main city strip.
 
Then why aren't Christians going crazy if some video on the internet makes fun of Jesus? I mean, have you ever heard of riots because of Monthy Python's Life of Brian?

Of course it was dumb to make that video, it doesn't justify the reaction though.

You're joking right? Christianity has never been cast in the same light as Islam has. Not to mention if it was, every religion has idiots who want to take the violent route and completely mis-understand. Christianity is not special.

You and the rest of the general public with this opinion are just as blind to the real problem as the extremists who cause the violence if you really think this is a load outrage over a Monty Python-esque film.

How the fricking hell is Monty Python even in the same world as the crap displayed in the film we are talking about? I mean, Monty Python wasn't even making fun of Jesus or Christianity.
And the film we are talking about isn't "making fun of Islam" from what I've read its basically a hate-film trying to portray Islam as the root of all evil.

Again, I'm not saying the violence is justified. But the attitudes people seem to have on this issue are what create the issue in the first place! People using the example of violent extremists against the religion as if the religion has caused them to be violent or they try to tie it in by making comparisons to Christianity being somehow more peaceful. And then the opposite side seeing that and assuming that all western nations and people hold the same opinions and ideals. Seriously screw this crap, it doesn't do anyone any good at all.
 
You're joking right? Christianity has never been cast in the same light as Islam has. Not to mention if it was, every religion has idiots who want to take the violent route and completely mis-understand. Christianity is not special.
No religion is special, the only community still going rogue because of nonesense like that (in this scale) is the Islamic one though.

You and the rest of the general public with this opinion are just as blind to the real problem as the extremists who cause the violence if you really think this is a load outrage over a Monty Python-esque film.
Oh dear, it was an example, there are lots and lots of worse parodies of the catholic church and its history.

How the fricking hell is Monty Python even in the same world as the crap displayed in the film we are talking about? I mean, Monty Python wasn't even making fun of Jesus or Christianity.
And the film we are talking about isn't "making fun of Islam" from what I've read its basically a hate-film trying to portray Islam as the root of all evil.

You have either never seen, or haven't understood Life of Brian, which is a brutal parody of how 'Jesus' (Brian) became a religious figure and why people started following him. But like I said, it is an example! There are so many parodies, jokes, bad movies, clips, pictures showing how Jesus dies, is responsible for the death of children, rapes women, or whatever. I've seen it all.

Again, I'm not saying the violence is justified. But the attitudes people seem to have on this issue are what create the issue in the first place! People using the example of violent extremists against the religion as if the religion has caused them to be violent or they try to tie it in by making comparisons to Christianity being somehow more peaceful. And then the opposite side seeing that and assuming that all western nations and people hold the same opinions and ideals. Seriously screw this crap, it doesn't do anyone any good at all.

I never said Islam is violent, or Christianity is better (I dislike ALL religions), there are just a lot more muslims who freak out and are agressive if provoked than any other religious group. Yes, they are a minority, yes most muslims are nice and peaceful individuals, it doesn't change the fact that 'they' bomb embassies, that 'they' kill people because someone drew a caricature of Muhammad (which is as far as I know even allowed for non-muslims) and that people like the South Park creators get death threats (even though they made Muhammad a really cool and GOOD character).

EDIT: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8533359
"Come on, let's kill people in Australia because an Egyptian living in the USA made a video no one else cares about!!!"
 
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And the film we are talking about isn't "making fun of Islam" from what I've read its basically a hate-film trying to portray Islam as the root of all evil.

So you've formed an opinion based on what you've read from others and therefore don't need to view it?. Interesting.

I wouldn't say it's a "hate-film" Poorly made and stupid more like.

At the time, Life of Brian was very controversial and even banned in some places in the UK. Search for 'Life of Brian debate' on Youtube.
 
Then why aren't Christians going crazy if some video on the internet makes fun of Jesus? I mean, have you ever heard of riots because of Monthy Python's Life of Brian?

Of course it was dumb to make that video, it doesn't justify the reaction though.

Both the Life of Brian and Passion of the Christ caused huge uproar, protests and arrests at the time they were released.

Christian fanatics bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors because they feel their faith has been offended, Anders Breivik identified himself as a Christian Crusader, the KKK believed that Jesus was the first White Supremisist, the LRA carry out acts of violence and terror in the name of God, Hutaree in the US were arrested while planning to kill a member of the local police force and then carry out a massacre at the funeral (because the government will be fighting on the side of the Antichrist in the final days).

All of which is without mentioning the Troubles, during which two Christian sects would murder each other because the other walked down the 'wrong' street.

Sorry but simply because it may not hit the press as much doesn't mean its not happening, and religion is the problem here. Someone should not face death for making a film any more than they should do for marrying someone from the 'wrong' Christian sect.

Yes Christians are all rational and don't call out publically for the death of those they dsiagree with....

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I like Raylene's response there on the bottom. It literally makes no sense at all.
 
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that the number of people doing it is far bigger in the islamic world (and it's spread over a larger overall area). This has a lot of reasons of course (average education in most Middle East and African countries, poverty wich leads to people holding to their religion as last hope, conflicts from the past and which still go on etc.).

By the way, most (real) christians cannot be rational, if they would be, they wouldn't be Christians, at least that's how I see it.

Again: Religion is the problem, like you said. I blame them all (except maybe for Buddhism, although that history also isn't clean), I am just saying that the 'islamic world' freaks out a lot faster than the rest and that you cannot justify that with "they were provoked lulz".

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Both the Life of Brian and Passion of the Christ caused huge uproar, protests and arrests at the time they were released.
"Huge" like bombing embassies?
 
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that the number of people doing it is far bigger in the islamic world (and it's spread over a larger overall area). This has a lot of reasons of course (average education in most Middle East and African countries, poverty wich leads to people holding to their religion as last hope, conflicts from the past and which still go on etc.).
I'm not 100% sure I agree with that, however it would be interesting to see a solid study of it over the last 50 years.


By the way, most (real) christians cannot be rational, if they would be, they wouldn't be Christians, at least that's how I see it.
Replace the word Christian with any religion and you get the same result.


Again: Religion is the problem, like you said. I blame them all (except maybe for Buddhism, although that history also isn't clean), I am just saying that the 'islamic world' freaks out a lot faster than the rest and that you cannot justify that with "they were provoked lulz".
See my answer to the first point.


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"Huge" like bombing embassies?
Do a bit of research into the troubles in Northern Ireland and you will see that executions, bloody riots and firebombings could be caused by someone walking down the wrong street, so yes.
 
I'm not 100% sure I agree with that, however it would be interesting to see a solid study of it over the last 50 years.
I agree.


Replace the word Christian with any religion and you get the same result.
I also agree, I just pointed out 'Christians' because you mentioned them too.

See my answer to the first point.



Do a bit of research into the troubles in Northern Ireland and you will see that executions, bloody riots and firebombings could be caused by someone walking down the wrong street, so yes.

I don't have to do a research because I know of that. My issue with this argument is that Northern Ireland is a relative small region. The issues up there weren't spread over the whole planet.



The following figures are fictional and only there to make my point clearer.


Let's say you have 10.000 Christians fighting in North Ireland, but 1.000.000 Muslims in the Middle East.

From these 10.000 Christians, 3.000 killed overall 8.000 people in a region as big as the island of Great Britain.

From these 1.000.000 Muslims you have 300.000 who killed 800.000 in a region as big as as the whole Middle East plus most of Africa.

Which group is more aggressive?

What most people forget in this debate is that aside from the current events, there are almost daily bombings and shootings in the whole Middle East between different islamic groups. All in the name of Allah and Muhammad. Be it because someone said the wrong word, accidentally threw a Qu'ran in the trash, or because he was wearing the wrong clothes. This all happens in a way larger scale than anything involving, for example, Christians.

Note I am talking about recent times, not 500 years ago.

Again: I am against (not hating) all religions and I don't hate Muslims or the Islam itself!

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British, German and US envoys targeted as riots erupt from north Africa to south-east Asia as well as Australia

A wave of anger that saw British, German and American embassies in Khartoum attacked by rioters swept across the Muslim world with violent scenes playing out on streets from north Africa to south-east Asia.

The continuing demonstrations have claimed further lives. Two protesters were killed in Khartoum, Sudan and two more in Tunis, Tunisia. Four were
killed in the Yemeni capital of Sana'a.

Police in Cairo cleared demonstrators from outside the American embassy and Tahrir Square. A 36-year old man died after being hit by a rubber bullet

In Sydney around 200 demonstrators clashed with police outside the American consulate.

Friday's worst violence was in the Sudanese capital, where protesters targeted the German embassy first, storming through the outer wall and setting fire to buildings and a car near the gates before they were pushed back by police firing teargas. German diplomats fled to the British embassy next door, which became the next target of the mob.

William Hague, the foreign secretary, said: "Sudanese police attended the scene, but demonstrators were able to break down a perimeter wall and cause minor damage to the compound. They did not attempt to gain access to the British embassy building." No staff had been harmed, he added. Reports said at least one of the rioters had been killed in clashes with police.

The US embassy in Khartoum, which appears to have been the next target, announced that protesters had been expelled from its compound.

Protests, mostly aimed at US embassies and galvanised by the emergence of a crude anti-Islam video made in California, were also reported in Iraq, Iran, Bahrain, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Jerusalem and the West Bank, Kashmir, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Nigerian city of Jos. In Tunis, crowds of rioters throwing stones clashed with police outside the US embassy, who responded with teargas. A fire could be seen within the embassy compound and the American school in Tunis was also reported to be ablaze. Reports said two demonstrators had been killed.

The embassy attacks in Sudan marked the first time anti-US protests over the film had mutated into a broader anti-western revolt. In his statement on the events in Khartoum, Hague said: "The neighbouring German embassy, which appeared to be the focus of the attack, was set on fire and severely damaged. We remained in close contact with the Germans throughout the incident and were able to offer shelter to German diplomats. I am pleased to say that they are also safe."

The unrest began in Tuesday in Cairo, when protesters stormed the American embassy, and then spread to the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, where the US consulate was stormed and gutted by an armed mob who killed the ambassador, Chris Stevens, and three other employees.

Two US destroyers have been deployed to the Libyan coast and Barack Obama dispatched a unit of marines trained in counterterrorist operations to the country. US drones over Benghazi were targeted by anti-aircraft fire by the extremist groups in the area who are believed to have led Tuesday's storming of the consulate. As a result, the city's airport was temporarily closed. As Washington scrambled to protect its far-flung diplomats, US marines were also reported to have arrived to bolster security at the embassy in the Yemeni capital, Sana'a, which has also been the target of rioters.

It was unclear how much the violence was spontaneous and to what extent it had been orchestrated. The film involved was apparently made last year by a Coptic Christian living in Los Angeles, using actors who have said they had no idea they were making an anti-Islam film. The offensive language about the prophet Muhammad was dubbed in later.

A 14-minute clip of the film appeared on YouTube in July but only began to generate widespread anger this week, when it was promoted by radical Islamophobic Christians in the US and then broadcast in Egypt by Islamic activists.

The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, denounced the film as "disgusting and reprehensible".

US officials have said they believe outrage over the film may have been used by an extremist Libyan group, Ansar al-Sharia, as cover and a diversion for an assault on the Benghazi consulate that had been long planned for the 11th anniversary of the 11 September attacks. The president of the Libyan assembly, Yousef al-Megariaf, agreed. During a visit to Benghazi, he described the storming of the consulate as "pre-planned to hit at the core of the relationship between Libya and the United States".

Small anti-American demonstrations in Damascus and Tehran appeared to have been facilitated by the authorities there.
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How do you or even could you think, yet alone believe, Islam is under attack in this situation??? A film is worth killing innocent people for???

Are you kidding me? Do you think the author of the film published inciteful and hatefilled material against a nation of over one billion people for the fun of it? Islam is no doubt under attack from various quarters and this is just one of many, the Media spread lies and disinformation whilst America drop bombs in Muslim majority countries very other day. G.T.Ace, Let me remind you Buddhists have massacred and ethnically cleansed thousands of Muslims in Burma mercilessly. Blameless? There goes the 'peace loving people' notion right out of the window 👎
 
Let's say you have 10.000 Christians fighting in North Ireland, but 1.000.000 Muslims in the Middle East.

From these 10.000 Christians, 3.000 killed overall 8.000 people in a region as big as the island of Great Britain.

From these 1.000.000 Muslims you have 300.000 who killed 800.000 in a region as big as as the whole Middle East plus most of Africa.

Which group is more aggressive?
The problem is that the figures are fictional, as I have linked to before it is believed (by the combined intelligence services of the world) that Muslim terrorist number 50,000 worldwide as a maximum. Which equates to around 0.001% of the Muslim population of the world.

Yes an Embassy was bombed,but as the situation becomes clearer a growing consensus is that the film in question may have had nothing to do directly with it and it may well have been an existing attack planned by Al-Qaeda. Which your own source states quite clearly.

Now that doesn't change the fact that people are staging very vocal protests about the film, but that doesn't differ massively from other religious films.



What most people forget in this debate is that aside from the current events, there are almost daily bombings and shootings in the whole Middle East between different islamic groups. All in the name of Allah and Muhammad. Be it because someone said the wrong word, accidentally threw a Qu'ran in the trash, or because he was wearing the wrong clothes. This all happens in a way larger scale than anything involving, for example, Christians.

Note I am talking about recent times, not 500 years ago.

And the widespread massacre of Muslims in Bosnia was recent times as well.

Yes protests occur and yes the are violent and people die in them, an occurance that happens on a regular basis around the world and garners very little media attention. However right now the Muslim faith sells the news and as such it gets thrown into the spotlight on a regular basis. Often regardless of if it is actually religious based on not, and often its more tribal that religious in nature (something that is a major problem in South Africa for example - but is not widely reported).

We have had over forty years of separatist terror attacks throughout Europe, something that is only just started to be resolved now, and while the same is happening in the ME every attack is automatically blamed on religion. Now some will be religiously motivated, but many are not.

Its also safe to say that many of the situations are blown out of proportion, with Bahrain being a classic example at the time of the last F1 race, in which it seemed (via the eyes of the press) that the place was on the verge of total anarchy. The truth on the ground (and this is from colleges I have who work and live in Bahrain) was that it was isolated to a very, very small group of people. Its the same of saying the G8 and Occupy protests in the west indicate that the West is about to melt down.

Now we have had revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, etc, these however have more to do with the overthrow of corrupt regimes than they do religion.
 
How do you or even could you think, yet alone believe, Islam is under attack in this situation??? A film is worth killing innocent people for???

It's called discourse control, manufacturing consent, psychological warfare, cultural antagonism, etc etc.
 
Now we have had revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, etc, these however have more to do with the overthrow of corrupt regimes than they do religion.

To me, the central question is the systematic and forceful export of "democracy" from the West (Britain, France, the US) to the Mideast, North Africa and elsewhere (Georgia, Ukraine, Balkans).

We have had this deliberate policy of instigating regime changes around the world for quite some time. The virtuous(?) underlying thought seems to be promoting freedom of choice for individuals, women, gays, minorities, etc., all in the hope and expectation that it will bring us more friends, business and prosperity.

But what if this policy in reality leads to the sort of democracy (which is more like the tyranny of the majority or rule of the mob) wherein minorities are ever more persecuted, suppressed hatreds and jealousies break into open wars, and we Western powers are cut off from further influence and business opportunities? Are Iran and China picking up the broken shards of our blunders?

With anti-American protests, riots, bombings and shootings going on in something like 20 countries around the globe just at this moment, it can justifiably be asked if this long-standing policy of enforced regime change isn't close to lying in ruins. With Israeli Likudniks foaming at the mouth with lust for war with Iran, and candidate Romney surrounded with unreformed neocons lusting for yet more wars, the downside risks loom ever larger.

I am asking if the revolutionary regime change policy of the last 20 years or so is serving us exactly as intended?

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
The problem is that the figures are fictional, as I have linked to before it is believed (by the combined intelligence services of the world) that Muslim terrorist number 50,000 worldwide as a maximum. Which equates to around 0.001% of the Muslim population of the world.

Although I agree with most of what you say, those terrorist figures are irrelevant in my opinion. What is relevant is the support the terrorist get from their communities, a much higher percentage I'm sure. Not everyone with extreme views are terrorists and are therefore not included in those figures? For example, someone mentioned Northern Ireland earlier, the number of Irish terrorists were very small in numbers, as with Muslim terrorists, but the support behind it was huge by comparison, thus making it almost impossible to deal with.
 
Although I agree with most of what you say, those terrorist figures are irrelevant in my opinion. What is relevant is the support the terrorist get from their communities, a much higher percentage I'm sure. Not everyone with extreme views are terrorists and are therefore not included in those figures? For example, someone mentioned Northern Ireland earlier, the number of Irish terrorists were very small in numbers, as with Muslim terrorists, but the support behind it was huge by comparison, thus making it almost impossible to deal with.

This is an extremely relevant point, and it highlights the fact that most Muslim terrorists are performing acts of violence only under an Islam banner.

That is their declared reason, but, if anyone cares to recall the numerous videos released by Osama bin Laden, you'll notice he makes very little reference to religious causes. His motivation and certitude are almost entirely political, and anti-capitalist—and remember, folks, capitalism is a religion that America holds dearer to its heart than any god-based system could ever hope to achieve.

The corollary of this, predictably, is that there are for this reason many American "enemies", ones that have nothing to do with Islam. Prime examples of this are the former Soviet Bloc members, and today's multitude of South American countries. I know our memory span is short, but a brief search for "80s American imperialism" will overwhelm you with examples of opposition.

But every time America, say, launches a drone strike in Yemen, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Tunis, Egypt, etc, the Islamic flames of rhetoric are stoked, and — just like "God" helped some through 9/11—Allah is there to provide hope and soothing for those who've literally been attacked from the sky, by a massive entity whose tentacles seem inescapable.

That's the general etiology of it, anyway.
 
Are you kidding me? Do you think the author of the film published inciteful and hatefilled material against a nation of over one billion people for the fun of it?

For the fun of it? No. I think that this one person had gotten enough money to make his point of view into a visual reality.

Islam is no doubt under attack from various quarters and this is just one of many, the Media spread lies and disinformation whilst America drop bombs in Muslim majority countries very other day.

The lies and disinformation are used by ALL sides, to further agendas pro or con.

It's called discourse control, manufacturing consent, psychological warfare, cultural antagonism, etc etc.

It is still one person's point of view.

Please don't get me wrong, I do not condone this piece of trash that should never have seen the light of day. But this person's piece of trash has been used to incite anger by the same people who were insulted. Insulted I can understand. Attacked... no, that I do not understand. To me, those are two different things altogether. But I do not and cannot relate to the type of insult given either.
 
Personally, I believe these crazy ass people attacking embassies should be shot on sight. You attack our embassies and attempt to kill the people inside? We should have a right to put a bullet in your head.

You can say anything about Muslim extremists being the same as Christian extremists, or extremists of any religion. But that isn't true. Muslim extremists are usually brought up in backwards countries like some in the Middle East, where crazy things are the normal. A Muslim extremists is not the same as a Christian extremist. You don't see Westboro Baptist Church going around killing Muslims because they're muslim, do you? Yet you see Muslim extremists killing Jews and Christians for the religion they believe in.

It's a fact that traditionally, Muslims are much more crazy than other religions, simply because the fact that the countries where Islam is the main religion, are crazy themselves. Muslims in Western Countries are much more sane. They don't believe any of that infidel stuff, nor do they try and attack embassies because of some video of their Prophet being made fun of. Hell, people make fun of Jesus and God all the time, does that mean every Christian in the world goes to behead those who made the joke?

Also, why do we (America) have to be so chill about them burning our flag? But oh no, when we make fun of their freaking religion, they get to be all crazy and kill people? Since when did the Middle East become an angry beehive your not supposed to make fun of otherwise they'll kill innocent people. This is America, we make fun of everything! Don't like it? That's why you don't live here! Don't go attempting to burn embassies down just because some idiot made a movie you don't approve of!
 

You can say anything about Muslim extremists being the same as Christian extremists, or extremists of any religion. But that isn't true. Muslim extremists are usually brought up in backwards countries like some in the Middle East, where crazy things are the normal. A Muslim extremists is not the same as a Christian extremist. You don't see Westboro Baptist Church going around killing Muslims because they're muslim, do you? Yet you see Muslim extremists killing Jews and Christians for the religion they believe in.

I suppose you're too young to remember the Bosnian War in which Serbian Christians systematically used rape as a tool of war and ethnic cleansing device against Muslims.
 
Islam is no doubt under attack
:lol:I couldn't help but laugh at this, i'm sure the jews caught in the holocaust would respectfully disagree about what it means for a religion to be under attack..

@crispy 'crazy' may not be the best word to use but i kinda get what your saying

Anyway has the film been released or does anyone know where i could view it?
 
Im not condoning the violence but the muppet who provoked them in the first place is ultimately the one with blood on his hands.
He didn't kill anyone. He didn't ask or order anyone to kill anyone.

Don't remove the blame from the ones that truly have blood on their hands.
 
Personally, I believe these crazy ass people attacking embassies should be shot on sight. You attack our embassies and attempt to kill the people inside? We should have a right to put a bullet in your head.

You can say anything about Muslim extremists being the same as Christian extremists, or extremists of any religion. But that isn't true. Muslim extremists are usually brought up in backwards countries like some in the Middle East, where crazy things are the normal. A Muslim extremists is not the same as a Christian extremist. You don't see Westboro Baptist Church going around killing Muslims because they're muslim, do you? Yet you see Muslim extremists killing Jews and Christians for the religion they believe in.

It's a fact that traditionally, Muslims are much more crazy than other religions, simply because the fact that the countries where Islam is the main religion, are crazy themselves. Muslims in Western Countries are much more sane. They don't believe any of that infidel stuff, nor do they try and attack embassies because of some video of their Prophet being made fun of. Hell, people make fun of Jesus and God all the time, does that mean every Christian in the world goes to behead those who made the joke?

Also, why do we (America) have to be so chill about them burning our flag? But oh no, when we make fun of their freaking religion, they get to be all crazy and kill people? Since when did the Middle East become an angry beehive your not supposed to make fun of otherwise they'll kill innocent people. This is America, we make fun of everything! Don't like it? That's why you don't live here! Don't go attempting to burn embassies down just because some idiot made a movie you don't approve of!

This is the sort of crap CNN and fox news feeds the masses, lies and propaganda to put fear into the minds of the common man, turning them into mindless zombies. You cry when an ambassador is killed but you dont give a s### when an American drone attack kills innocent men women and children on the ground in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, then you cry some more when militants pick up arms to respond to American /NATO terrorism. America has a history of bombing Muslim majority countries, Bosnia, Palestine, Iran (through Saddam hussain), Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the list goes on yet its Muslims who target so and so? Stop the bombings, get out of sovereign countries and maybe your flag wouldn't be burnt. I dont condone any of the violence but do you expect no reaction?
 
This is the sort of crap CNN and fox news feeds the masses, lies and propaganda to put fear into the minds of the common man, turning them into mindless zombies. You cry when an ambassador is killed but you dont give a s### when an American drone attack kills innocent men women and children on the ground in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, then you cry some more when militants pick up arms to respond to American /NATO terrorism. America has a history of bombing Muslim majority countries, Bosnia, Palestine, Iran (through Saddam hussain), Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the list goes on yet its Muslims who target so and so? Stop the bombings, get out of sovereign countries and maybe your flag wouldn't be burnt. I dont condone any of the violence but do you expect no reaction?
What country are you from and what religion do you follow if i may ask?
 
:lol:I couldn't help but laugh at this, i'm sure the jews caught in the holocaust would respectfully disagree about what it means for a religion to be under attack..

@crispy 'crazy' may not be the best word to use but i kinda get what your saying

Anyway has the film been released or does anyone know where i could view it?

I laugh at your ignorance, What about the Palestinian Holocaust? Zionist Jews have systematically butchered Palestinian for over 70+ years and wiped Palestine off the map. What about the genocide in Bosnia? Chechnya? What about the milions killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? What about the daily drone attacks in Pakistan? What about the atrocites carried out by Hindus in Burma, killing any Muslim in sight? Their religion isnt under attack?
 
Personally, I believe these crazy ass people attacking embassies should be shot on sight. You attack our embassies and attempt to kill the people inside? We should have a right to put a bullet in your head.
Self defense is a perfectly valid reaction, unfortunately at the embassy in question the US forces were swiftly overrun and in no position to do so.

Fortunately for them a force was able to come to there aid and resolve the situation, massively reducing what could have been a far worse situation with a much higher death toll.

Oh the religion of the people who saved the embassy staff, that would be Muslim.




You can say anything about Muslim extremists being the same as Christian extremists, or extremists of any religion. But that isn't true. Muslim extremists are usually brought up in backwards countries like some in the Middle East, where crazy things are the normal. A Muslim extremists is not the same as a Christian extremist. You don't see Westboro Baptist Church going around killing Muslims because they're muslim, do you? Yet you see Muslim extremists killing Jews and Christians for the religion they believe in.
The LRA, Bosnia, Anders Brievik and the recent Sikh temple shootings all seem to prove that theory more than a little wrong.




It's a fact that traditionally, Muslims are much more crazy than other religions, simply because the fact that the countries where Islam is the main religion, are crazy themselves. Muslims in Western Countries are much more sane. They don't believe any of that infidel stuff, nor do they try and attack embassies because of some video of their Prophet being made fun of. Hell, people make fun of Jesus and God all the time, does that mean every Christian in the world goes to behead those who made the joke?
Can I just check exactly how many countries in which Islam is the main religion you have spent time it to come to this view?




Also, why do we (America) have to be so chill about them burning our flag? But oh no, when we make fun of their freaking religion, they get to be all crazy and kill people? Since when did the Middle East become an angry beehive your not supposed to make fun of otherwise they'll kill innocent people. This is America, we make fun of everything! Don't like it? That's why you don't live here! Don't go attempting to burn embassies down just because some idiot made a movie you don't approve of!
Seriously you need to actually step back and understand the situation rather than getting worked up into exactly the same sort of state as the people you are condemning (as in the whole of Islam).

First off if you truly believe in the first amendment then don't moan about flag burning and then say that idiots making movies is OK, if you want free speech you don't just get to pick the free speech you believe in.

Secondly the attack on the US embassy almost certainly has nothing at all to do with the film in question, pretty much every one agrees that. The attacks were clearly well planned and carried out with a degree of training that is not indicative of an angry mob who just thought it up that morning. The general agreement is that it was a pre-planned terror attack, the movie was a handy blanket to try and whip up a bit more anger (and oh look its working perfectly well in your case).



The following applies to a good numbner of you posting in this thread.
Its this exact kind of knee-jerk reaction that causes people to get attacked and in some cases killed on both sides. So how about calming down and actually looking at the detail behind the headlines and understand the real people who live in these countries and not the inaccurate stereotypes that certain elements of the press would like you to see them as (and in some case the press in those countries portrays you and your fellow countrymen and women as).


Oh and Speedonator you may want to check on who the prime targets of UN bombings in Bosnia were, because it certainly wasn't Muslims.
 
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