US Ambassador killed in Libya

[JediRage]

I laugh at your ignorance, What about the Palestinian Holocaust? Zionist Jews have systematically butchered Palestinian for over 70+ years and wiped Palestine off the map. What about the genocide in Bosnia? Chechnya? What about the milions killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? What about the daily drone attacks in Pakistan? What about the atrocites carried out by Hindus in Burma, killing any Muslim in sight? Their religion isnt under attack?

Millions killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? DAILY drone attacks in Pakistan? And that too on 'innocent' men, women and children? And Hindus killing Muslims in Burma?

Did you hear this stuff on the loudspeaker today?

This is what I mean. They always want to point the finger but they just don't understand how easily they get taken for a ride by the radicals in their midst.

'Innocent' people in the Af-Pak border region? Please don't make me laugh. If those guys aren't targeting NATO in Afghanistan or killing other Muslims in Pakistan, they're ethnically cleansing Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir or shooting up people randomly in hotels and on the streets.

Innocent, bah.

 

[Scaff]

You both need to calm down (or holidays will be forthcoming).

Innocent people are most certainly have been killed by both sides in the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, to suggest is was not so would be naive in the extreme. However the do not number in the millions.

The situation of attacks on Muslims in Burma does occur (and India as well).

However both of you need to calm down and learn to discuss this with a mutual respect for each other, continue to fail in that regard and GT Planet has no need of you as members.

 

[Speedonator]

Millions killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? DAILY drone attacks in Pakistan? And that too on 'innocent' men, women and children? And Hindus killing Muslims in Burma?

Did you hear this stuff on the loudspeaker today?

This is what I mean. They always want to point the finger but they just don't understand how easily they get taken for a ride by the radicals in their midst.

'Innocent' people in the Af-Pak border region? Please don't make me laugh. If those guys aren't targeting NATO in Afghanistan or killing other Muslims in Pakistan, they're ethnically cleansing Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir or shooting up people randomly in hotels and on the streets.

Innocent, bah.

Loudspeaker? Is that where you get your pile of nonsense from, lapping up Obamas and Hilarys speech..oh deary me lol. Anyway...Here you go, Drone attack kills upto 8 women in Afghanistan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19616356. If youre not a zombie you would know this happens on a daily basis and its not collateral damage (Try laughing that off) Why do you think NATO are under attack? If (Insert country here) flew into America with bombers, tanks and a huge army..you think America would sit back and let it slide? Get real, people are fighting for their lives in Afghanistan by resisting occupation and from what I can see NATO are taking a beating by a bunch of cavemen. Again, i dont condone violence but dont cry when militants fight back after you invade their country and kill their people.

 

[JediRage]

You both need to calm down (or holidays will be forthcoming).

Innocent people are most certainly have been killed by both sides in the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, to suggest is was not so would be naive in the extreme. However the do not number in the millions.

The situation of attacks on Muslims in Burma does occur (and India as well).

However both of you need to calm down and learn to discuss this with a mutual respect for each other, continue to fail in that regard and GT Planet has no need of you as members.

I never denied that innocents have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was disputing the notion that only innocent people are the intended target of drone strikes. And that it happens every single day. I was also disputing the other point about Burma. What's the majority religion in Burma? Buddhism.

My point still stands however. It is too easy to brainwash them and lead them to violence. And the continued history of violence on the part of their religion is making elements in relatively peaceful religions (and please, once again, religions of the world don't begin and end with the Abrahamic ones) take up violence as a method to either genuinely counter them as vigilante groups or to capitalise politically. In the end, no one wins.

Not to mention the atmosphere they create for 'some' of their fellow 'peaceful' muslims in other countries and the constant defensive stance they have to undertake. And for the people that look muslim to the ignorant eye. Sikhs for example. Or non-whites.

Just how much kindness, mercy and gentleness will an uneducated muslim woman teach her kids if all she has ever done is learn to recite the Quran? But for many muslim women, they are never allowed education further than this. Until parents, elders and those who young people look up to for guidance, religious elders especially, impress upon them the virtue of gentle behaviour to people of all backgrounds the status quo will continue and muslims will be regarded as they are regarded now.

It's even more tragic when their religious elders incite them to violence.

 

[cphbullet]

I laugh at your ignorance, What about the Palestinian Holocaust? Zionist Jews have systematically butchered Palestinian for over 70+ years and wiped Palestine off the map. What about the genocide in Bosnia? Chechnya? What about the milions killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? What about the daily drone attacks in Pakistan? What about the atrocites carried out by Hindus in Burma, killing any Muslim in sight? Their religion isnt under attack?

What about it. We're not on the topic of palestine but to clarify that massacre occurred over a dispute about land. Millions aren't killed in iraq and afghanistan not even al-qaeda will have killed millions or native citizens so thats ridiculous. There aren't 'daily drone attacks in pakistan'. And no their religion isn't under attack, the people of afghanistan and iraq are unfortunately being killed because of idiots in their country that threaten the safety of those in other countries.

Again your country of origin and religion?

Secondly the attack on the US embassy almost certainly has nothing at all to do with the film in question, pretty much every one agrees that. The attacks were clearly well planned and carried out with a degree of training that is not indicative of an angry mob who just thought it up that morning. The general agreement is that it was a pre-planned terror attack, the movie was a handy blanket to try and whip up a bit more anger (and oh look its working perfectly well in your case).

I did not think of this, feeling kinda stupid now but thanks for pointing this out:tup:

 

[Speedonator]

What about it. We're not on the topic of palestine but to clarify that massacre occurred over a dispute about land. Millions aren't killed in iraq and afghanistan not even al-qaeda will have killed millions or native citizens so thats ridiculous. There aren't 'daily drone attacks in pakistan'. And no their religion isn't under attack, the people of afghanistan and iraq are unfortunately being killed because of idiots in their country that threaten the safety of those in other countries.

Again your country of origin and religion?

I did not think of this, feeling kinda stupid now but thanks for pointing this out:tup:

Im a realist. My point was the plight of Palestinians (Who are Muslim in majority) are going through a rough ordeal which is on the same scale as the Jewish Holocaust, if not worse. Islam is under attack from all quarters, its there for all to see and a few idiots in Afghanistan or wherever does not justify or warrant a full scale military invasion. Its all about oil and power, if NATO were sincere they would intervene in Burma to stop Hindu extremists from wiping out Muslims. But they havent and will not because theres no oil or pots of Gold, not to mention Muslim blood is worthless to them.

 

[cphbullet]

Im a realist. My point was the plight of Palestinians (Who are Muslim in majority) are going through a rough ordeal which is on the same scale as the Jewish Holocaust, if not worse. Islam is under attack from all quarters, its there for all to see and a few idiots in Afghanistan or wherever does not justify or warrant a full scale military invasion. Its all about oil and power, if NATO were sincere they would intervene in Burma to stop Hindu extremists from wiping out Muslims. But they havent and will not because theres no oil or pots of Gold, not to mention Muslim blood is worthless to them.

It's not particularly fair to compare them though as the circumstances are pretty different. It was about oil and power in the 1990s, the more recent occupation of iraq and afghanistan was about an idiot, revenge and a little bit of justice, that perhaps does't justify initially occupying those countries but i'd say finding the people that pose a threat to the west justifies staying there, i don't know a massive amount the station in burma but i suspect the fact NATO aren't involved is that it isn't the government ordering these killings its militants.

 

[JediRage]

It's not particularly fair to compare them though as the circumstances are pretty different. It was about oil and power in the 1990s, the more recent occupation of iraq and afghanistan was about an idiot, revenge and a little bit of justice, that perhaps does't justify initially occupying those countries but i'd say finding the people that pose a threat to the west justifies staying there, i don't know a massive amount the station in burma but i suspect the fact NATO aren't involved is that it isn't the government ordering these killings its militants.

A lot of Bangladeshi muslims are spreading into neighbouring countries illegally. The indigenous populations are being overwhelmed in some cases by the sheer numbers of new arrivals and in some cases, particularly Assam in India, they are receiving voter cards and other documents often by those that have political interests in the region.

The situation in Burma was ignited by these settlers and the reaction by the native Buddhist people is what this guy is talking about. I don't know where he got the Hindu extremists part from. I wish people would stop making stuff up.

Anyway, the Burmese are sending back the illegals back but Bangladesh refuses to recognize them. As a result some are streaming into Assam where the native Bodo tribes are being affected.

One spark of violence by the settlers in an already highly charged situation sets off the reaction that then is used by the original inciters to further their propaganda and hate.

A pretty messed up scenario.

 

[cphbullet]

A lot of Bangladeshi muslims are spreading into neighbouring countries illegally. The indigenous populations are being overwhelmed in some cases by the sheer numbers of new arrivals and in some cases, particularly Assam in India, they are receiving voter cards and other documents often by those that have political interests in the region.

The situation in Burma was ignited by these settlers and the reaction by the native Buddhist people is what this guy is talking about. I don't know where he got the Hindu extremists part from. I wish people would stop making stuff up.

Anyway, the Burmese are sending back the illegals back but Bangladesh refuses to recognize them. As a result some are streaming into Assam where the native Bodo tribes are being affected.

One spark of violence by the settlers in an already highly charged situation sets off the reaction that then is used by the original inciters to further their propaganda and hate.

A pretty messed up scenario.

I'll comment more on this later and sorry mods for going off topic, I'm pretty tired at the moment so for now i'll respond simply with lol 'Bodo tribes'

 

[Speedonator]

It's not particularly fair to compare them though as the circumstances are pretty different. It was about oil and power in the 1990s, the more recent occupation of iraq and afghanistan was about an idiot, revenge and a little bit of justice, that perhaps does't justify initially occupying those countries but i'd say finding the people that pose a threat to the west justifies staying there, i don't know a massive amount the station in burma but i suspect the fact NATO aren't involved is that it isn't the government ordering these killings its militants.

Zionist Jews have, and are ethically cleansing Palestinians the way Hitler persecuted them, the circumstances may be different but their plight is the same. RE Burma, The government and security forces are complicit in the massacre of Rohingya Muslims, you wont hear about it on the lamestream Media because of their bias and media war against Islam. Heres a short video on whats happening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uO4leI66Ko, This isnt clap trap.. Amnesty International, a reputable organization have exposed the plight of Rohingya Muslims. http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/myan...human-rights-progress-backtracking-2012-07-19. JediRage, Try thinking for yourself and freeing your mind instead of repeating the absolute lies and trash CNN/Fox news feeds you day in day out, Im not making anything up, Rohingya are citizens of Burma and have been for centuries, do your research before spouting such nonsense...they are not settlers as you wrongly claim. If you cant accept cold hard facts then youre clearly blind to reality and too blind to see the truth. Im done here.

 

[Scaff]

Well I gave you a chance to get this back on topic and discuss it with respect fro each other, and as you have failed to do so this gets a lock.