US Soldier kills 16 civilians in Afghanistan-NOW WITH POLL

[ExigeEvan]

Is it that impractical to think it was more than one guy?

The people who did the killing say it was only one crazed lunatic. The people who got killed say the people who did the killing are covering up what actually happened.

The guy who robbed the bank says he didn't do it. The bank that got robbed says he did.

Fact is, a bank got robbed, and I'm not about to believe what the guy in the mask tells me what happened.

Fair point, but again, the only thing that suggested in that article was the impracticality of it being one man.

I guess it would be a lot more convincing if a squad or 2 were leaving a base than one guy alone.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Which leads us to the big question. How did this soldier or group of soldiers leave the base so easily and commit the act?

Aren't soldiers not allowed to leave bases without permission?

 

[Keef]

Fair point, but again, the only thing that suggested in that article was the impracticality of it being one man.

I guess it would be a lot more convincing if a squad or 2 were leaving a base than one guy alone.

You're right that there's not enough hard evidence to believe either side, really. The only problem is that a justice system and grand jury provide a third and fourth party to decide the robber/bank situation. But what happens when you pit one justice system against another? Absolutely nothing.

 

[Azuremen]

The only problem I have with him being punished by his own people is that justice won't be done in the US, as seen time and time again in the past. It's a joke to try him in the US because even though they will be seen to go through the process of carrying out justice, which will go on for years, at the end of the day he will walk out a free man. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

So what is Justice in your mind?

Just a thought; If the guy just suddenly 'lost it', a moment of madness, then why didn't he go on his rampage within the compound where he was located instead of sneaking out, walking some distance, and then going from house to house to do his killing?

A mental break down does not necessarily mean storming outside, guns blazing. The human mind is amazing in how it can, when it wants, completely distort how a person perceives the world and, in turn, how they should act.

Basically, you are trying to rationalize or logically resolve what more or less constitutes the definition of irrational.

And as for your earlier post, this

I bet you wouldn't feel sorry for him if it were your family. The man is a coward whom preyed on defencless woman and children who couldn't fight back with his big gun. He's also a coward for not having enough balls to blow his brains out afterwards. But hey, he's one of our own, not one of them, so let's suddenly find a heart and try to understand him and amazingly attempt to somewhat sympathise with the mass murdering **** head instead of condemning him like we've usually done to those who came before him.

Imagine how the family of a this man must feel. And I'd say killing oneself after acting this way is, ultimately, the more cowardly way out.

 

[Pierced Lead]

Imagine how the family of a this man must feel. And I'd say killing oneself after acting this way is, ultimately, the more cowardly way out.

And neglect the feelings of those whose women and children this soldier killed?
I think they'd be wanting justice more than anyone else.

 

[Azuremen]

And neglect the feelings of those whose women and children this soldier killed?
I think they'd be wanting justice more than anyone else.

Again, what is justice? I see the word thrown around here quite loosely, but it seems be confused with vengeance.

I think they, his family, would want to understand what happened, and if the man that left to fight is still the same man that has returned. If not, what broke in him, what changed, and who is he now?

 

[niky]

Again, what is justice? I see the word thrown around here quite loosely, but it seems be confused with vengeance.

I think they, his family, would want to understand what happened, and if the man that left to fight is still the same man that has returned. If not, what broke in him, what changed, and who is he now?

This, perhaps, is the crux of the matter.

The soldier will be tried, he will be convicted under the law for his crimes. If the death penalty still applied, he could be put to the death. That's justice.

If we were to turn him over to the Afghans to be staked out in public, stoned, flayed and left to die in the sun, that would simply be revenge.

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Of course, letting them have their way with him in Afghanistan would be the easy way out, diplomatically.

 

[nk4e]

This, perhaps, is the crux of the matter.

The soldier will be tried, he will be convicted under the law for his crimes. If the death penalty still applied, he could be put to the death. That's justice.

If we were to turn him over to the Afghans to be staked out in public, stoned, flayed and left to die in the sun, that would simply be revenge.

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Of course, letting them have their way with him in Afghanistan would be the easy way out, diplomatically.

Probably dragged through towns publicly also.

 

[Pierced Lead]

Again, what is justice? I see the word thrown around here quite loosely, but it seems be confused with vengeance.

I think they, his family, would want to understand what happened, and if the man that left to fight is still the same man that has returned. If not, what broke in him, what changed, and who is he now?

Given the fact that the crime was carried out in Afghanistan, I believe it is their right to have him tried in Aghan courts under Afghan law. What was described in the posts above me are the acts of lynch mobs and self-proclaimed 'righteous vigilantes'. That would most probably happen if the US hands him over to the people, not the government or judiciary.

 

[Sphinx]

So what is Justice in your mind?

I'm easy to please; Something that is fair and just to all concerned. Something that will unlikely take place in this case.

A mental break down does not necessarily mean storming outside, guns blazing. The human mind is amazing in how it can, when it wants, completely distort how a person perceives the world and, in turn, how they should act.

Indeed. it's also a good defence/reason to use when an act of revenge has taken place, especially if it involves a soldier that we can relate to more than we can the victims.

Basically, you are trying to rationalize or logically resolve what more or less constitutes the definition of irrational.

I don't believe I am. Revenge is also irrational/illogical but it doesn't mean that we don't know what we're doing when carrying out an act of revenge. It also doesn't mean that society should accept it as a reason in order to lessen the act.

Imagine how the family of a this man must feel.

I imagine they are in a bad place right now.

And I'd say killing oneself after acting this way is, ultimately, the more cowardly way out.

I would say that it would take some balls to put a bullet into your own head, more so than some other persons head it would seem.

 

[aragonz]

I admit I didn't follow this case closely but it looks rather odd that one man could cover all that territory in that span of time himself. This wouldn't be the first case that military (any military not only the US military) finds a scapegoat for certain issues.

But the case is what it is and he will bare all responsibility. He should be tried in the US although I'm not sure "insanity" should be taken as serious defense in this case. He'll get a sever punishment but probably not as severe as Afghans want.

 

[Bye Ya]

I read today that the guy has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder and 6 counts of attempted murder. He could face the death penalty. His lawyer is saying he has no memory of the events.

 

[arora]

Well they do keep them hopped up on anti depressents and god knows what else, they sleep in ambien induced comas lol. Of course I have no knowledge of what if anything this guy was on, just sayin.

 

[Ru-fus]

If a foreigner murdered 16 people in my country, I'd expect him brought to justice here.

my thoughts too, if it happened in the US by an foreign national then you can bet your house on it that they would do there damn best to have him trialed in the US.

And the whole immunity thing is a load of bs and should be allowed.

 

[DK]

I wonder what Beck, Limbaugh & co. have been saying about this guy.

 

[nk4e]

I wonder how the Military Morale is right now.