Veyron?

[Dave A]

Well actually, Top Gear said it was the pinancle of road car engineering.

 

[Wolfe]

I thought Dauer made new bodies in carbon fibre to reduce weight. They were originally aluminium.

*zOMG! its IMGz!!*

Hmm, I did not know that, but producing those bodies would constitute part of the "finishing" process I mentioned.

 

[McLaren]

Actually, all Dauer did was buy the partially-built and unfinished EB110s that were sitting at the factory, finished them, and then sold them. That's why it only lasted for a while.

Ah ok, that makes since.

Still wouldn't mind them.
According to DuPont, the EB110s remain some of the more cheaper supercars these days, and they don't appear to keep their value that well these days.

Today's Value: $200,000 to $250,000.

 

[GT Pro]

Really? I once saw them running down here for only around 130,000 AU.

 

[Dave A]

What, written off.

 

[Milliethemutt]

http://www.carclassic.com/marque.asp?Marque=Bugatti

185,000 Euro

 

[GT4_Rule]

Why is that car so "cheap" compared to other supercars?

 

[GT & F]

In my opinion, the Veyron is great for courses that require straight speed like a Speedway, but for tough turning courses such as Nurburgring and even Hong Kong, I don't think it would be such a good idea to use. It's 4000 lbs., and that's liable to be very touchy around the corners with a vehicle that is almost 1000 HP stock. However, I won't be surprised if the Veyron will be in GT5.

 

[Dave A]

Why is it laible to be twitchy? I can't show you a single test drive or car review that says it's not a capable car round corners or it's twitchy. I can show you hundereds that do, I can show you Gordon Murray being suprised at the car's track capability, I can shoy you TopGear saying it's really nible, I can show you Jeremy Clarkson saying it handles like an Elise (obviousely a metaphor to indicate it's nible and handles really well), AutoCar said it handles great. None said it handles well for a heavy car, but they all said it handles great. BTW, welcome to GTP, if I sounded a bit blunt uit's meerley because it's later over here so I'm getting a little tired but honestly, have a read of a few test drives and car reviews and perhaps check out a few video clips of it, the cars a marvel of current technology .

 

[GT & F]

Thanks. I didn't say it wasn't a marvel of modern automotive technology. 1000 HP is a hell of a barrier to break at this day and age when 450 was asking a hell of a lot of in the late 1960s and early 1970s. But, 4000 lbs. is pretty heavy for a car with this much performance, but then again, who said 1000 HP would come light?

 

[MustangSVT]

From what I've seen on Top Gear and read in various magazines including EVO and Autocar (or something like that) and even Road & Track, they've all said the Veyron handles great.

The first thing that comes to mind when somebody badmouths the Veyron "it weighs 2 tons and has quad-turbos, there's no way it wouldn't spin out and/or handle really bad around the corners" or "all bugatti does is slap on 4 turbo's to get more power" is when Jeremy Clarkson said "it handles like an Elise". Clearly a metaphor, but it does mean something, and seeing as how he's driven loads of cars including the MacF1, Enzo, Carrera GT, SLR and more on Top Gear, I'm more inclined to believe what he's saying than uniformed ppl on the net.

It may be 4000lbs, and it may be quad turbo'd, but according to all the reviews I've read about it and that episode on Top Gear, this car is the pinaccle of automotive engineering and it really does handle good and I bet it would crush any other roadcar around the Top Gear track including cars like the Koenigsegg CCR, CCX, Enzo, MC12, Carrera GT, Zonda F/F Clubsport, etc.

 

[amp88]

From what I've seen on Top Gear and read in various magazines including EVO and Autocar (or something like that) and even Road & Track, they've all said the Veyron handles great.

The first thing that comes to mind when somebody badmouths the Veyron "it weighs 2 tons and has quad-turbos, there's no way it wouldn't spin out and/or handle really bad around the corners" or "all bugatti does is slap on 4 turbo's to get more power" is when Jeremy Clarkson said "it handles like an Elise". Clearly a metaphor, but it does mean something, and seeing as how he's driven loads of cars including the MacF1, Enzo, Carrera GT, SLR and more on Top Gear, I'm more inclined to believe what he's saying than uniformed ppl on the net.

It may be 4000lbs, and it may be quad turbo'd, but according to all the reviews I've read about it and that episode on Top Gear, this car is the pinaccle of automotive engineering and it really does handle good

You're really only repeating what's already been said by live4speed. Still true though...

I bet it would crush any other roadcar around the Top Gear track including cars like the Koenigsegg CCR, CCX, Enzo, MC12, Carrera GT, Zonda F/F Clubsport, etc.

Can't see that happening. I reckon the winged-CCX, Enzo, MC12, Carrera GT and Zonda F would beat the Veyron's lap time around the TG test track. The Veyron handles well, but it's still a big and heavy car, not intended to lap quickly. All the rest are designed with more than just top speed and acceleration in mind. The fact that the Veyron handles decently is secondary. Anyway, hopefully we'll see it being tested (but I seriously doubt it).

 

[Dave A]

I think it would be in that sort of region of lap times, JC and Hammond both think it has a chance of knocking the Zonda F off it's number 1 spot, but they need VW to let them use one on the track for any of us to know.

 

[niallz06]

Show me a single road test, track test or performance test where the handling of this car was not praised. I can link you to TopGear footage that say's it can handle very well, I can also link you to articles that say it can handle very well. I can also tell you Gordon Murrar (Mr McLaren F1) thought the car was fantastic on a track. Proof, that wasn't proof, that was an off the top of your head thought that you hadn't looked into incase you were wrong, which you were. It's fine to not like a car, it just annoys me when somene has to try to put a car down on untruths or things that arn't relevent to a car, in this case, it was an untruth. And like TheCracker said, why would you not liking the car mean that the car shouldn't be put in the game for anyone else to enjoy, it makes no sense to say that, I could understand if we were talking hovercrafts and milk floats appearing ni GT5 but we're not.

no offence here dude but by chance do you read top gear magazine?

 

[Dave A]

Why would that cause offense, loads of people read TopGear magazine, and yes I do, as well as Evo, AutoCar, Auto Expres, Car, What Car? and others . I also watch TopGear (it's on right now actually ) and 5th Gear (that's on right after).



The fact I read TopGear doesn't alter the fact all the reviews of the car praised its handeling.

 

[niallz06]

Why would that cause offense, loads of people read TopGear magazine, and yes I do, as well as Evo, AutoCar, Auto Expres, Car, What Car? and others . I also watch TopGear (it's on right now actually ) and 5th Gear (that's on right after).



The fact I read TopGear doesn't alter the fact all the reviews of the car praised its handeling.

Well i said something like that before and got a nasty comment claiming i was being sarcastic (sp?) but yeah im subscribed and i am in the process of writing a complaint letter about the buyers guide in the back 200 or so pages havnt changed in 2 years

 

[Jim Prower]

Here's my Veryron synopsis

Veyron: Big track car. good for tracks with long straights, (Monza, La Sarthe, etc.) though more than capable on smaller tracks.

*Insert Lighter Supercar Here*: Capable on big tracks, but against Veyron, slightly slower. Slightly faster on short tracks. Equal on Nurb.

There. I said it. It's done.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Actually, the Veyron is not suited for track use at all, since it´s made with comfort in mind, rather than racing. It is in effect a GT, made to eat European roads all day long, not produce fast hotlaps at the Ring.
Allthough it would be pretty fast, I´m sure!

 

[Dave A]

It wasn't built for track use, it is however extrememly capable of shining on the track. It is more of a GT than a typical supercar, but Gordon Murray was most impressed with the cars track capability than anything else. I do believe that the Veyron could beat the enzo and MC12 at the TopGear track.

 

[ImprezaAddict]

The probabilities are way low. Probably like this: 5,000,000,000/1. Estimate.

But anyways, I really hope the Veyron is in the game.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

It wasn't built for track use, it is however extrememly capable of shining on the track. It is more of a GT than a typical supercar, but Gordon Murray was most impressed with the cars track capability than anything else. I do believe that the Veyron could beat the enzo and MC12 at the TopGear track.

Maybe, but the only complaint I have ever read about it, is its massive turning radius, and Hammerhead is pretty tight, in a high performing car.
I agree that it is possible that the Veyron could beat the Enzo or even the Zonda F, but in that case it would win on pure acceleration capabilities. And man, those capabilities...

 

[Wolfe]

Now that I've finally gotten a chance to play the game, I think it's very surprising that the Veyron didn't make it into Project Gotham Racing 3, even though other VAG products (including the VW Nardo, and Lamborghini) did...

Perhaps VAG is being picky with the videogame licensing to their Hyper-GT? If so, that would probably prevent the Veyron from making it into GT5 -- VAG and PD don't really have any relationship to speak of.

 

[Dave A]

Most supercars have a poor turning radius, GT racers have big, big turing circle, but they arn't designed for low speed 3 point turns. The Enzo is probably worse at corning than my 306 at 10mph, you up that speed to 50 and it'll take the corner a lot better than my 306, same goes for the Veyron probably.

 

[NismoR34Ztune]

Most supercars have a poor turning radius, GT racers have big, big turing circle, but they arn't designed for low speed 3 point turns. The Enzo is probably worse at corning than my 306 at 20mph, you up that speed to 70 and it'll take the corner a lot better than my 306, same goes for the Veyron probably.

You're right, I think the turn will probably even be bigger than the Enzo, we aren't talking about a Daihatsu Cuore here

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Now that I've finally gotten a chance to play the game, I think it's very surprising that the Veyron didn't make it into Project Gotham Racing 3, even though other VAG products (including the VW Nardo, and Lamborghini) did...

Perhaps VAG is being picky with the videogame licensing to their Hyper-GT? If so, that would probably prevent the Veyron from making it into GT5 -- VAG and PD don't really have any relationship to speak of.

Actually, I think VAG has very little sayso in the matter. Bugatti probably makes those decisions on their own, just like Lambo, Bentley or Audi. I mean that should be the way it works, right? And considering Audi, VW and Bentley are in GT4, but not Lambo, Bugatti or Rolls (or is Rolls VAG anymore?), my guess is it´s up each and every company to decide on their own.

 

[Dave A]

VW have probably the biggest say on Bugatti, they're very hands on at the moment, though Bugatti would still very much come under it's own license jsut like VW, Audi, Lamborghini etc.

 

[331 Boss]

Well bugatti was foolish in some design of the car IMO.
alot of weight could have been shed in the engine compartment.
why a 16.4 liter 16 cylinder motor?
why not borrow an aluminum block 5.4 from ford?
The one from the GTs.
A gentleman from florida has one, put on a tt setup, took off the blower, the car makes 1000 rwhp....
I will bet some big cash it weighs less than the veyron's motor.
Prolly gets better gas mileage too!
Look what Konigsegg did with a Cobra 4.6 block!
Ford might not be the greatest car builder, but the 4.6, 5.0, and 5.4 motors are kings as far as potential.

But I def think an aluminum 5.4 would be a big weight loss over the big ass motor it has, it might even be cooler running etc.
That's why I applaud company's like De-Tomaso, TVR, etc who use American engines. The euro guys can do handling, but america has power and styling to a tee!

 

[Dave A]

Well bugatti was foolish in some design of the car IMO.
alot of weight could have been shed in the engine compartment.
why a 16.4 liter 16 cylinder motor?

It's not 16.4 liters, it's 8.

why not borrow an aluminum block 5.4 from ford?

Dose smoothness or reliability not matter or what?

The one from the GTs.
A gentleman from florida has one, put on a tt setup, took off the blower, the car makes 1000 rwhp....

And it's not an enigne I'd want in a Grand tourer, it's also not an engine that would get you a 3 year warranty and I'm betting it's not an engine that will provide as consistent a power curve either.

I will bet some big cash it weighs less than the veyron's motor.
Prolly gets better gas mileage too!

I actually bet it's not much lighter, the Veyron's engine was said to be incredibly light. The engine isn't why the Veyron is heavy.

Look what Konigsegg did with a Cobra 4.6 block!
Ford might not be the greatest car builder, but the 4.6, 5.0, and 5.4 motors are kings as far as potential.

Yes, they build a car that's fast, has none of the characteristics of ride qualities of the Veyron, and at the same time can't keep up with a Veyron. Great car, but it doesn't offer or do what the Veyron does, nor was it intended to.

But I def think an aluminum 5.4 would be a big weight loss over the big ass motor it has, it might even be cooler running etc.

No it wouldn't be cooler, it'd be hotter your getting the same engery being created in a smaller engine, theres less there for the heat to disspate though, also the small ammount of weight saved in the engine would be easilly negated by larger or additional radiators, just what the Veyron doesn't need more of.

That's why I applaud company's like De-Tomaso, TVR, etc who use American engines. The euro guys can do handling, but america has power and styling to a tee!

TVR don't use American engines. Besides, what does an engine being American have to do with it being the right or best enigne for the job? A stressed 4.6 liter engine would not have been the right choice for the Veyron, the car is a GT, it was being offered with VW's standard warranty and and needed to be relaible. It also needed to offer the quality of an enigne expected in the worlds finest GT. Do you think a 4.6 Ford V8 tuned to 1000bhp will be anything close to as smooth running as the Veyrons W16? It won't, the Fod V8 is a great engine, I'm not knocking it, but it was in no way, the right enigne for the Veyron. Also the Koenigsegg CCX uses Koenigsegg's own V8, not the Ford one.

Besides just dissagreeing with all of your first post, I'd still like to welcome you to GTP, so welcome to GTP, don't take it personally .

 

[the Interceptor]

Additionally, you're missing the point of this car, 331 Boss. Bugatti, or rather VAG, didn't want to make a car that's reasonable. They wanted to make a car that has things no other production car has, like 1001 hp, a W16 engine and stuff like that. We've already discussed this in another thread. Yes, they could have made the Veyron lighter, get the same power from a smaller engine and so on. But they didn't want to - it's as easy as that.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[McLaren]

Well bugatti was foolish in some design of the car IMO.
alot of weight could have been shed in the engine compartment.
why a 16.4 liter 16 cylinder motor?
why not borrow an aluminum block 5.4 from ford?
The one from the GTs.
A gentleman from florida has one, put on a tt setup, took off the blower, the car makes 1000 rwhp....
I will bet some big cash it weighs less than the veyron's motor.
Prolly gets better gas mileage too!
Look what Konigsegg did with a Cobra 4.6 block!Ford might not be the greatest car builder, but the 4.6, 5.0, and 5.4 motors are kings as far as potential.

But I def think an aluminum 5.4 would be a big weight loss over the big ass motor it has, it might even be cooler running etc.
That's why I applaud company's like De-Tomaso, TVR, etc who use American engines. The euro guys can do handling, but america has power and styling to a tee!

Well, DeTomaso didn't exactly do to well in the sales though, now did it?

And maybe that's why Koenigsegg chose to make their own engine?


Just poking some fun at the Ford guys.