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Courtney drove past Tander and Lowndes on the cool down lap, reckon he was giving it to Tander
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Its not Victory Lane!!!!
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Surprised Rick was able to hang on and stay in the top 10. Great job by Moffat to come home 10th after getting taken out early in the race. Hopefully the race for the lead is a little more interesting tomorrow.
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Decent race, I think I would have enjoyed it more if the early carnage didn't happen and several drivers remained where they were. But Reynolds fighting the good fight made up for it, and same with Tander and Courtney at each others necks.
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They were probably aiming to place him behind Reynolds, but missed Tander's release. Tander was right behind Reynolds, but released a moment sooner. He never would have beaten Reynolds out, but needed to get as close as possible to beat Winterbottom. Winterbottom's car controller could have missed it because Reynolds' car - which was up on the jacks, which gives a couple of centimetres' extra clearance - blocked his line of sight.
Either that, or HRT deliberately released early to force Winterbottom to wait, leaving him exposed to Lowndes.
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Yeah possibly, either way it was very unprofessional and almost injured the Red Bull pit crew. Usually the unsafe releases are pretty line-ball calls but that one just looked ridiculous, no gap whatsoever.
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Finally had enough time to finish going through the photos I took at Bathurst (here's the album). A brilliant long weekend; the only worry was over Mostert and the marshalls, having seen his car come to rest in front of me at Forrest Elbow, the medical attendance at both the Ford and the marshall's post, and the ensuing police investigation.
As a fan of Reynolds and Mclaughlin, Saturday couldn't have been better! 5th and 6th wasn't a bad result come Sunday. During the race the only cheer that was louder than when Lowndes took the lead after the final pitstops was the cheer when it was announced Whincup had a drive-through.
Loved the event. I'll be back, one year, when funds permit...
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As a fan of Reynolds and Mclaughlin, Saturday couldn't have been better! 5th and 6th wasn't a bad result come Sunday. During the race the only cheer that was louder than when Lowndes took the lead after the final pitstops was the cheer when it was announced Whincup had a drive-through.
Loved the event. I'll be back, one year, when funds permit...
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Pretty tame ute race.
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Especially that last-corner move by Leeds.
I gather that 2015 is an experimental year, mostly because they started halfway through the season. Hopefully they will have a full grid for 2016, as I believe CAMS own twenty-five or twenty-six cars. They also need a better calendar - they really need to prioritise permanent racing circuits (except Bathurst and Symmons Plains), with one or two street circuits. The real challenge will be in establishing it as a legitimate series and a pre-eminent junior category. It has been pretty controversial, because CAMS wound down their support for Formula 3 and Formula Ford to hold Formula 4.
The real drawcard is the homogenous regulations. It's easy for drivers to switch between series (provided they have the budget); Luis Leeds was racing in ADAC Formula 4. Hopefully that will get more Australian and New Zealander talent in Europe and onto the world stage - like Joey Mawson. With any luck, the big European teams like Van Amersfoot and Carlin and Prema Powerteam can set up satellite operations and help filter talent into big categories. It worked for Triple Eight; they were originally a British team before setting up a shop here.
The best bet for Formula 4 is to pitch it as being the category where we will see the next Craig Lowndes and the next Daniel Ricciardo.
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It's tough to market. This land is known for Bathurst and Moto GP at PI. The AGP is it for open wheelers. How does F4 market that series for fan awareness that makes it bypass all things with a top? GT3 is strong. Utes are changing. DVS will have COTF.
I only see karts then, F4. Maybe even Carrera Cup then, F4. Are there or will there be an F4 WC for the winners from each continent?
I only see karts then, F4. Maybe even Carrera Cup then, F4. Are there or will there be an F4 WC for the winners from each continent?
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The FIA really created it in such a way that drivers can really branch out and move into other categories outside open-wheel cars if that's what they want. If you get into Formula 4, you're not committed to open-wheel racing.
That's one of the problems Formula Ford had: sure, it was a single-seat, open-wheel racing series, but because of the lack of wings, its low-downforce nature meant that it was ideally suited to V8 Supercars and the Dunlop V8s. Which is fine for us, but difficult for drivers who wanted to get into broader open-wheel racing. Formula 4 is designed to be the first rung on the ladder; a driver's first taste of a purebred racing car, but still manageable enough in terms of power that drivers can handle it.
Maybe one day, but everything is still in its infancy. One of the problems that the FIA has is that junior series are increasingly becoming a two-year campaign for the serious drivers. Look at Stoffel Vandoorne - he has one of the most impressive records you will see, but he still needed two years in GP2. I imagine that the FIA is hesitant to let the junior series expand exponentially like that.
Right now, the idea is that drivers will run in Formula 4, and then step up to European Formula 3. They'll be racing more powerful cars on a wider range of circuits and they'll be in a much deeper talent pool. Of course, that's still heavily biased towards European drivers, because a lot of the European Formula 3 circuits are used by the various Formula 4 championships run throughout Europe. I have heard talk of a Formula 3 Americas series and Asian Formula 3, with the idea being that national championships feed into regional championships, and they will eventually lead to Formula 2, an international junior series. But that may be some time away, because Formula 4 USA is only starting next year, and a South-East Asian championship probably won't get off the ground until 2017 at the earliest. The real challenge will be in getting these series to stand on their own two feet. An Asian Formula 3 would be great, but it would have to take in Australia, Japan, China and India, if not the Middle East, and that's going to be very expensive to ship everything around.
Ultimately, the FIA wants a single path from karting to Formula 1. Right now, the biggest challenge that young drivers face is that the junior series are so malleable. It's very difficult to pick which series would be the right series to enter. Look at Kevin Korjus - he was promising in Formula Renault, but went the wrong way and wound up out in the wilderness. He has no chance of getting to Formula 1 now. And if you look at the likes of GP2, the grid is flooded with drivers who shouldn't be there, but they're backing the system up to the point where teams like Red Bull and Williams are recruiting straight out of GP3, which threatens the future and stability of GP2. But while a single, clearly-defined route might sound like a hegemony, it is hoped that this will flood the system with talented drivers.
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They need to get rid of the pre-race prayer and start getting people who can actually sing to do the national anthem.
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I agree. I find it unsettling, mostly because I have no love for organised religion.
Cap'n Jack
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That was a little bit of a clumsy one.
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