Vision Gran Turismo discussion- M-B AMG Vision unveiled

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

But you previously agreed that the six month figure was for everything, not just modeling. I actually don't know what you're saying.

Regardless of whether the car is real or not, to make it to PD's spec in their own medium takes the same amount of time, in principle - it's the exact same process. You get the data (CAD, drawings, photographs - or renders), and you convert it to a polygon mesh with multiple textured layers mapped on top. Obviously the time taken would vary from car to car, and I'd bet there are some real cars that were / would be quicker than some of those concepts, at least in the modeling (mesh) phase, and certainly in the texturing phase (liveries).

Presumably, these cars are going to be driveable in the game (and they all use the same model, just different input data), and the only reason I mentioned pulling a mesh out of the CAD data for display purposes (covered by a cloth simulation, for the most part) was simply to offer a counterpoint to those thinking these cars are ready and will be held back for DLC (which might possibly be free anyway...)

...It's the modeling aspect I'm getting at PD make that sound that is what takes six months not everything and my point was that is probably why people don't believe Kaz. If PD (yet again) had more transparency we wouldn't be having this discussion. Also I still agree it probably takes close to six months for them to do everything I never changed that.

Also I think people have a right to think that PD hold back cars, because they done it during GT5 and we thought we were going to get certain cars for Free and we didn't. It's a business, so to think that they wouldn't do things to make a bit more isn't that far fetched.

But PD's mission statement has always been to bring the feeling and emotion of driving experiences to people that otherwise don't get the chance. It's what sets GT games apart from every other racing game. They aim to bring diverse and different driving experiences that most people will never get to experience in real life, rather than just the exact same lineup of cars that every other driving game offers.

These concept cars (along with examples like the schwimmwagen as you pointed out) are an integral part of the Gran Turismo experience, and is part of what makes it a GT game.

There are other games that do the same and try hard to bring something different that you don't experience. It seems this is yet again one of those times where GT is like the Force or on par with some other wonder that you have to feel.

 

[Griffith500]

...It's the modeling aspect I'm getting at PD make that sound that is what takes six months not everything and my point was that is probably why people don't believe Kaz. If PD (yet again) had more transparency we wouldn't be having this discussion. Also I still agree it probably takes close to six months for them to do everything I never changed that.

Also I think people have a right to think that PD hold back cars, because they done it during GT5 and we thought we were going to get certain cars for Free and we didn't. It's a business, so to think that they wouldn't do things to make a bit more isn't that far fetched.

...

But the modeling aspect is the same regardless of whether the car is "real" or not. The process is exactly the same: taking data in one form and converting (and interpreting it, in the case of photographs or physical models etc.) into another. That source data is the same in either case, so the process must be the same, broadly.

People are entitled to think whatever they want, I just don't think that these cars can be considered "finished" just because PD can drape a cloth simulation over some kind of silhouette of them; they may or may not even be accurate silhouettes anyway!

But it was mentioned in the press interview that these might be given away for free, although (as usual) "it's not been decided yet". Which implies they're still going back and forth between the bean counters, the image promoters and the actual dev teams (in each company) as to how best to "leverage" the situation...
But never mind that: if they're not worth it, there won't be any take up; I'm just interested in what they come up with.


Which brings us back to "Vision Gran Turismo". I think that this 100 km squared business is tied into that somehow, and might even be foreshadowed in the Grand Tour (!) event in GT5.

 

[unit-one]

The VW design reminds me so much of the Design Vision GTI presented at Wörthersee...

Looks like the Vision GT concept is based on it. They are pretty close.

 

[MatskiMonk]

It's possible that the cars will be held back for other reasons. Maybe the manufacturer might want their own 15 mins of fame, it may tie in with another model, or a show, or an anniversary, the may even want to do some kind of simultaneous unveil.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

Here's an idea, how long do you think it will be till Hot Wheels or Autoart gets in on the Vision act, I mean, a Hot Wheels interpretation of the X2010/11 would be insane. And Autoart, though they should focus more on making the LM/RM/TC cars into diecasts like they should have, I would love to see their take on a GT Prototype. Best part for us GT fans is, we may even be able to have these in real life

 

[SuperShouden]

I wonder if Nissan's design will be the R36...or at least a concept version of it. But, then again, I don't think any of these vehicle, or many, will have any resemblance to anything currently on the market. VW has the Golf concept, sure, but most of these cars seem to be more fantasy cars than production cars. The SRT one actually might be more along the lines of a Copperhead-esque car or something.

 

[Soundtrack]

Coincidental?



the Onyx also reappeared in Peugeot's latest tv add (actually on screen)



If there is any consistency we may also end up with the Pikes Peak 208...

 

[Duphman]

The Onyx

I have noticed that the silhouette of Peugeot's Vision Gran Turismo concept car looks like an Onyx with a spoiler and side skirts. My guess is that it is a "motorsports-inspired" variant of the Onyx, ala the racing variant of the GTbyCitroen.

 

[Panoz]

Had the same idea as Duphman, a sister car to the Citroen GT Race Version.

 

[another_jakhole]

IIRC, PD designed the GT by Citroen, and Citroen created it. I remember seeing or hearing something about how Citroen (engineers, to be more precise) was impressed with the car's design, not just the aesthetics.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Well, my speculation on the BMW Vision Gran Turismo...

It's obviously a badged as an M car (the badge is visible on the grille), and of course it bears the M colour stripes. The grill surrounds though are blue, going on BMW's recent concepts the blue detailing would point to something of a Hybrid.

So, it's also rumoured that BMW is working on a supercar to celebrate their 100th birthday, do I think this is that? No.

The shape of the headlights and the grille is very similar to the soon to be unveiled 2 series coupe (which there will be a full M version of). The nose looks too bulky for it to be a mid-engine car also IMO.

The aggressive front air-dam area and the rear wing are reminiscent of the old CSL batmobile racers too..

So, I think BMW will use this as a Hybrid-M concept Race car, that bares a passing resemblance to the 2 series, which is probably a fact they will use to market the new small coupe to affluent younger audiences.... that play GT.

I could be entirely wrong of course.

 

[AlvaroF]

Well, my speculation on the BMW Vision Gran Turismo...

It's obviously a badged as an M car (the badge is visible on the grille), and of course it bears the M colour stripes. The grill surrounds though are blue, going on BMW's recent concepts the blue detailing would point to something of a Hybrid.

So, it's also rumoured that BMW is working on a supercar to celebrate their 100th birthday, do I think this is that? No.

The shape of the headlights and the grille is very similar to the soon to be unveiled 2 series coupe (which there will be a full M version of). The nose looks too bulky for it to be a mid-engine car also IMO.

The aggressive front air-dam area and the rear wing are reminiscent of the old CSL batmobile racers too..

So, I think BMW will use this as a Hybrid-M concept Race car, that bares a passing resemblance to the 2 series, which is probably a fact they will use to market the new small coupe to affluent younger audiences.... that play GT.

I could be entirely wrong of course.

I bet it is the Motorsport racing version of the i8

Edit: for some reaon I can't upload the pic, I'll try later

 

[MatskiMonk]

I bet it is the Motorsport racing version of the i8

Edit: for some reaon I can't upload the pic, I'll try later

Anything's possible, except it doesn't look at all like it's based on the i8 (in details or proportions), and BMW seems to have no interest in promoting the i8 as a motorsport vehicle.

It also has BMW's current characteristic bonnet shut line across the top of the nose, indicating that it's front engined. The 3 cylinder engine in the i8 is rear mounted.

Compare it to this 2 series spy shot:-

 

[Nurburgthing.]

Good write up for the concepts here at the Car Body Design website.

 

[05XR8]

I wonder if the manufacturers participating in Vision GT are the most driven cars in the game. PD collect data of who drives which car the most, I figure, car makers want to know the statistics. It's a good way to get more users driving your cars with this new concept.

 

[ildd]

I wonder if the manufacturers participating in Vision GT are the most driven cars in the game. PD collect data of who drives which car the most, I figure, car makers want to know the statistics. It's a good way to get more users driving your cars with this new concept.

X1
Ram
Tank Car
R35 tc

So If someone makes an xrank CTC, the 13 year olds will love it

 

[AlvaroF]

I agree with you @MatskiMonk, anything is possible, and any of could be right or wrong about the 2 series and i8.
Note the diferent angle of the images (the one from Vision Gran Turismo is slightly higher and can affect proportions) plus the addition of a body kit for racing prouposes is possible.
Look wise yes I agree that the 2 series is close, but they use some of the most exoctic models for racing (M1, 3.0 CSL "Batmobile" and M3) and the exoctic model is the i8.
A hybrid version (P1 style) of the M4 plus some body kits is also very interesting (serving for inspiration for the next DTM?)

 

[MoLiEG]

Could this be the Aston car in GT6???

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=287638

 

[Scuderia Paul]

Could this be the Aston car in GT6???

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=287638

No because it is not an official Aston Martin project. There are similarities between this DBC and the silhouette sketch in Vision Gran Turismo however.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

Audis 2013 Sport Quattro concept...

 

[another_jakhole]

I'm liking it and am looking forward to it. I expect more than I think. I hope that makes any sense.

I expect it to be greater than IIII think PERIOD.

That makes more sense.

 

[ildd]

Aston Martin called, they wanted the inspiration behind the Sport Concept back

 

[con360]

Here you go guys, enjoy the VW Golf GTi Design Vision Concept

Link to gallery!

This might be the first VW concept appearing in GT6, although a lack of the GT logo and carbon fibre near the front wheel arch is off-putting.


Edit: Ignore me, I just realised this was posted last page >.<

 

[Duphman]

That is the Wörthersee Golf that has nothing to do with the Vision GT cars.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

^^ I wouldn't be so sure of that D-Man, the car in the video looks like a carbon fibre racing version of this.

And, it is called the 'Vision Concept' after all.

Edit: Ignore me, I just realised this was posted last page >.<

And the very 1st post too.

 

[mcalva98]

This mecedes car from vision gt kinda looks like this

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/...ge/attachment/mercedes-benz-design-3/#gallery

 

[ildd]

This mecedes car from vision gt kinda looks like this

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/concept-vehicles/mercedes-benz-maybach-and-smart-at-the-design-los-angeles-challenge/attachment/mercedes-benz-design-3/#gallery

Well that looks exactly like it in the back with the tail lights.

It seems to be missing wheels

 

[mcalva98]

Well that looks exactly like it in the back with the tail lights.

It seems to be missing wheels

I actually downloaded asphalt 8 and I sae this car and wad like whoa it looks like the one from vision gt

 

[Normalaatsra]

So Lexus is now involved in Vision GT. Could it live up to the LFA?

 

[05XR8]

Some people may think the Mercedes-Benz concept looks like a Porsche but, remember, Mercedes will supply engines to Aston Martin. This car could look closer to a Vantage with that fastback styling. The motion effect from the lights are deceptive.