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tranny tuning is my downfall sigh. anyone up for tutoring me?
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- praiano63
This is the way i do, it simple or simplist, but it work. No math nothing. i can tune any gearbox in 1 minute with this .
The idea is to use all the gears, from a long first to a short last gear and spread the others between, to explore with all the maximum power at the higher RPM as possible. That's all.
Try it...
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- WrecklessAbandon
Well the Civic has a second gear to quick to get solid traction in, and third is to long to spin the tires below 70-80 mph, so when you're exiting corners at different speeds, you have no proper gear to select sometimes.Loving the times there CSL!! Can't believe you got worse in the 2nd run with the Civic though, that was a shock to me......I was expecting you to rip up a 2.02.2 with it on that second run. I'm quite happy with the results, the feedback from you guys shows that although the times could be improved, the general consensus is that you guys enjoyed the cars, and that's all I wanted to hear.
What I'm finding funny is that one driver says that the wheelspin is controllable, while another says it's too much.Keep the rpm's down with the big motor cars, wring the neck out of the Civic.
This is why especially with these 4 cylinders you need the extra quick gearing down low, and since I assume you're referring to Cool-dude's Civic, 6th gear was completely wasted.
I also found the cars with lsd's set to high run faster if you wait longer to accelerate and then floor it, with no regard for wheelspin, which in turn makes the inside wheel finally get more power, which is what it needs, but all in all, it looks like a proper diff for these cars usually ranged around 15/25/5. Blanket statement, exact specs would be determined car by car of course.
Rotary Junkie
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Hm. My Volvo C30 was originally built around a 7/25/5 or 7/35/5 diff (forget which off the top of my head) but then went several tenths quicker at each track I tried it at after cranking the accel and decel up quite a bit. Harder to drive but faster.
In my experience, "overstressing" the outside front almost constantly results in quicker lap times than not doing so with FWD.
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Final results from me are in.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5517835
1:59.024
My tune of the Integra ran. I will grant I ran obviously the most laps with Integra's, and spent another 15 getting this time.
It's up for share now, Aqua Blue Metallic / Lotus color.
So now I have to tune the Atenza to my liking and see which is king of these.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5517835
Well, I have to give the Atenza a whirl now, since after tuning raVer's car to my liking, things have changed.
1:59.024
My tune of the Integra ran. I will grant I ran obviously the most laps with Integra's, and spent another 15 getting this time.
It's up for share now, Aqua Blue Metallic / Lotus color.
So now I have to tune the Atenza to my liking and see which is king of these.
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tris_73
Oops. Err... Bill Murray must have been the sauce again. Damn it, Bill.
Um, on topic, what would be considered a benchmark 500pp road car (non FF)? I will probably build out the models here (and probably an Alfa and an S60 for yucks)? NSX? Monaro?
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Ouch!!!
Thanks for the plug and I'm loving Quicksilver but I'd think something like a lotus properly tuned would be a better benchmark. That said for everyone who has me on FR you can check out Quicksilver as I have it on share and will be publishing the tune after work today.👍👍
Note: the shared Triumph Spitfire has RS tires on it currently, I did tune the suspension on SS tires but it is obviously a tougher drive without the extra grip of the RS tires.
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Only managed a 1:59.964 with the Atenza, wasn't driving as good, couldn't match previous time with RJ's tune, I can see time for both, but a seemingly close match the two are.
I'm surprised I can't seem to make the car over-steer anymore than it already was, it seems unable to over-steer almost.
Of the two, I have to say the Integra is without a doubt, the faster car on this track.
But the Integra is the fastest car here that's not a tuner, I think most of us knew this from the start.
Have them shared now
Red Atenza - 1:59.966 / 1:59.989
Green Acura Integra 01 I made, 496 max pp, ran a 2:00.6xx with that.
Baby Blue Integra I ran 1:59.024 with.
The green Acura Integra's actually my favorite, like the Atenza but with better handling and less zip.
I'm surprised I can't seem to make the car over-steer anymore than it already was, it seems unable to over-steer almost.
Of the two, I have to say the Integra is without a doubt, the faster car on this track.
But the Integra is the fastest car here that's not a tuner, I think most of us knew this from the start.
Have them shared now
Red Atenza - 1:59.966 / 1:59.989
Green Acura Integra 01 I made, 496 max pp, ran a 2:00.6xx with that.
Baby Blue Integra I ran 1:59.024 with.
The green Acura Integra's actually my favorite, like the Atenza but with better handling and less zip.
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5471490
Updated.
2 down, one to go…and I've been putting this one off, because I could never drive it pass the first corner without stuffing it……
Updated.
2 down, one to go…and I've been putting this one off, because I could never drive it pass the first corner without stuffing it……
Rotary Junkie
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The lack of oversteer seems consistent with what I found back when I first built my personal yellow beastie (full power yeahhhhh) as well.
The '03 Atenza/Mazda6 is much less reluctant to oversteer but also has a worse powerband (and would've wound up at like 360hp for here) and is more wheelspin prone. A bit like the DC2 vs DC5 then; one's more fun, the other is faster.
praiano63
I've found so far while testing that the majority of people who've gone through and changed all the gearing individually have ruined the gear spacing. Gear ratios are very very specific. Fooling with them often makes them erratic at best. Adjusting the top speed gear, and or final gear will move all the gearing proportionally and keeps your car from bouncing off the rev limiter the entire lap. If your car is hitting the limiter in the back straight then move the top speed up a click or two or vice versa.
CSLACRFinal results from me are in.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5517835
Well, I have to give the Atenza a whirl now, since after tuning raVer's car to my liking, things have changed.
1:59.024
My tune of the Integra ran. I will grant I ran obviously the most laps with Integra's, and spent another 15 getting this time.
It's up for share now, Aqua Blue Metallic / Louts color.
So now I have to tune the Atenza to my liking and see which is king of these.
What do u mean "tune to your liking"? For an unofficial time?
mafia_boy
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Onboy, run my car again and get a fully clean lap in the 2.04's!! I know you can do it brother!! 
If you don't I will bombard your gift box full of 50000-90000km 🤬 boxes, so disgusting and wretched that they will only give you 1500cr. if you sell them and will clog your garage with shame if you keep them!!
Yes, I mean 2000 Honda Today G's!!
If you don't I will bombard your gift box full of 50000-90000km 🤬 boxes, so disgusting and wretched that they will only give you 1500cr. if you sell them and will clog your garage with shame if you keep them!! Yes, I mean 2000 Honda Today G's!!
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Hey Maf I've been bribing him and he still won't drive Kermit in the 2:05s where he should be...hope your threats work out better for you than my bribes!
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It is, I can guarantee you it's the only tune here I can't outright gain .5 from at least, though I think most would be even more.
If you can come up with a - lowest weight/no ballast tune with more over-steer I'd love to try it.
I'm pretty sure I settled on 5/40/5 for my LSD and got the gears where I want them, just need more over-steer.
Exactly. I knew the Integra could run faster than the tunes provided allowed, and I wanted to see what it could do comparably, I didn't expect what I got especially as easily as I got it, but seeing it can run 1:58's is pretty satisfying.
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I'm almost finished with my testing. I just need Grinols and Basilea cars and if anyone has Assasins car up for share I'll be done. I have my purple haze edition eclipse and a Honda accord up for share if anyone wants to try them. They both run 2:02's for me at GVS with the accord weighing in at a portly 1500kg. For those that need my psn. it's the same as my screen name with no caps.
Enjoy, AC
Enjoy, AC
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If you want to play with ballast and oversteer, I'd say your best bet is to do the window lightening, and add that 5kg(or is it 10?) to the rear.
On another note, I find your LSD settings odd. Not because I disagree, because I actually thought 7/42/5 was the setting we should of used, but because last page you said the following:
I also wonder, since our lap times are nearly identical, if we share a similar driving style, which would explain why we both felt the car was pretty damn close to maximum potential.
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