Wallbanger's 2nd Annual FF Summer Shootout

[Theo777]

I finally finished testing all of the Group A entries. You can find the updated results and feedback for the tunes right here.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7217093#post7217093

 

[XDesperado67]

Okay I've built both of OSE_CAP__SHADOW's cars and have them on share now.👍👍

Nice work on the testing and feedback Theo.
Looks like the Parrotheads might have a slight edge in Class A for our little war.

 

[Onboy123]

So…in Niku's test, it's a 1-2-4 for us at Laguna, which isn't too bad given how rushed various aspects of my car were…

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

I finally finished testing all of the Group A entries. You can find the updated results and feedback for the tunes right here.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7217093#post7217093

Thank you Theo for testing our cars .you did greet jop .the most i like is putting our time in this frame box organize . And thanks for give me some notes to improve my car next time :-) .

 

[trackripper123]

Thanks for the feedback Theo 👍 Looks like there's hope for Clueless yet.

 

[Diogo]

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Diogo G. Daihatsu Cuore Avanzato TR-XX R (J) '97
The power band was very interesting on this car. You have great torque at the low end and need to keep the gearing in 2nd to 5th and shift at 6-7k rpms. The transmission seemed geared a bit low for Laguna but the chassis was just fine for lightly tossing the Cuore into corners. Off-road, that low end torque really helps this car accelerate out of the corners. The chassis felt composed on the gravel but the engine lacked the punch to really push the limit. A very easy to drive car once you understand the low end torque and shift appropiately. It might not have had the muscle of the pocket monster but it was still very enjoyable to drive.

Thanks for the feed back , glad you liked it

 

[Ronald6]

@Jackthelad: have you bought dirt tyres yet?

@Everyone: I'll be updating my post on page 17 throughout the day. Since I'm editing a post that already exists my notes on each car will be longer. Any feedback is welcome. Enjoy.

@Desperado: because I'm thoroughly testing each vehicle it will take me some time to go through all of them on both tracks. I will get it done but I only have so many hours each day I can spend on it.

@Tuners: this has been a great education for me. Thank you. I have never had the opportunity to test such desperate vehicles so thoroughly. I'm looking forward to every lap.

 

[trackripper123]

ACSR421:
Mazda Kusabi '03:
1:56.191. 1.57.346. 1.57.755. Three corners. Thats it. I knew within three corners. My first thought was, "I would drive my grandmother to the hospital in this car." Nuff said. (Will you tune me a Fireblade?)

Edit: Updated times:
1:55.089. 1:56.153. 1:56.787:
Amazing grip and perfect rotation. The gears are spaced so that shifting is automatic, the engine sound is all I need which helps me keep my eye on the road (the complete opposite of Desperado's CR-Z and NewDriver2s' A2 1.4 {just to name 2} which forced me to keep "one eye" on the tack at all times). This car is everything I remember from from my first try, and now that I'm more experienced on this track, it's even better. The suspension soaks up everything, except it hits heavy on the front end on the jumps sometimes. The breaks are rarely needed but when you do be gentle, they work as well as everything else. The E-break isn't needed, the cars' perfect rotation makes it useless. Hands down the best car I've tested. I only did 5 laps on the retry, less than half the laps for any other car. As soon as I'm done with this competition I'm making myself one.

TrackRipper123 (Ziz528):
Mazda Kusabi Concept '03:
1:57.176. 1.57.465. 1:57.726. A solid ride. Good throttle/brake rotation.

Edit: Updated times:
1:55.566. 1:55.601. 1:55.659:
Testing now... Good at everything: front grip, rotation, gearing, soak (suspension). Almost drab it's so good. Shifting can be done by ear, it has smooth torque through each gear, but they might be just a smidge too long. I find myself downshifting more than I would like. Rotation is intuitive. Grip is excellent, even on "infenion"corners. The soak takes all the bumps out. A very smooth ride for this track. If your driving style suits this car then it could be competitive against ACSR421s', unfortunately for TrackRipper my style fits ACSRs' better. I'm avoiding looking at the other testers times and notes so I can remain unprejudiced (as much as I can). I'd like to see if someone else can make this car sing. It's got the voice for it. At one time I was .780 up on my ghost. But I lose it at the hairpin every time.

Oooh it's close Actually if averages are taken...

Thanks for the feedback, I agree with your points, the gearing I purposely kept slightly long actually, just in case the limiter was hit on the back straight of Laguna Seca, and I made it stable and smooth as opposed to more aggressive, I guess it shows in the consistent laps.

 

[Ronald6]

My notes only reflect the Toscana track, I'm will keep separate notes/times for LSeca. I understand that optimizing the car for one track isn't possible. I'm trying to be as honest and thorough as I can, but please don't take anything I say personally.

Consistent? Yes. But consistently wrong when I'm behind the wheel. I know I could put a better lap in (at least .780) put I can't put it together in the time I've given myself for each car.

Time to do chores. Yardwork sounds good. It should be a crime to be indoors on a day as beautiful as this. If only I could somehow drive outdoors... hmmmm...
I'll be back at testing in an hour or two.

 

[trackripper123]

My notes only reflect the Toscana track, I'm will keep separate notes/times for LSeca. I understand that optimizing the car for one track isn't possible. I'm trying to be as honest and thorough as I can, but please don't take anything I say personally.

Oh right I see, actually come to think of it I don't know why I didn't spot that in the first place... The times are much much better than anything I managed, a 1.59.6xx was the best I ran I think. And no, constructive criticism is great, thank you for the feedback.

 

[Ronald6]

I'm driving under the assumption "white is good, red is bad." So I'm cuttin' corners like I stole it!

I conscripted my son into the yardwork. I'm back to testing.

 

[DigitalBaka]

I'm driving under the assumption "white is good, red is bad." So I'm cuttin' corners like I stole it!

As long as your test method is the same across all the cars, absolutely!

Just watch out for cops...

 

[Ronald6]

Just watch out for cops...

"Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!"

I'm doing my best to keep my line consistent for each car but because each one drives so differently its hard. In some of the cars I'll get three laps within .100 of each other, but its easier to be consistent when the cars style matches my own. For example OnBoys' Jazz is capable of incredible times but I can't put in consistent laps with it because the driving style required is completely contrary to my programed responses.

Over half way done with the Group B cars on Toscana. Thats gotta be the longest post I've seen on GTP, and certainly the longest I've made.

I have never learned so much about driving in so short a time. Again: thank you all for this opportunity.

 

[ACSR421]

"Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!"

I'm doing my best to keep my line consistent for each car but because each one drives so differently its hard. In some of the cars I'll get three laps within .100 of each other, but its easier to be consistent when the cars style matches my own. For example OnBoys' Jazz is capable of incredible times but I can't put in consistent laps with it because the driving style required is completely contrary to my programed responses.

Over half way done with the Group B cars on Toscana. Thats gotta be the longest post I've seen on GTP, and certainly the longest I've made.

I have never learned so much about driving in so short a time. Again: thank you all for this opportunity.

I'll say thank you for taking the time to drive everyones entry as well as the feedback you've given to everyone:tup:👍 Great times your posting as well. I'll gladly take a crack at tuning that fireblade for ya. Just send it to me and I'll tune it and send it back.

Looks like team Outlaws and team Clueless are running neck and neck, great job everyone

 

[moparisgod]

Thank-you to all the testers this far. My cars are doing better then I would have thought. This is my first shootout as a tuner, and it has been really fun 👍

Looks like team Outlaws and team Clueless are running neck and neck, great job everyone

I'm just glad I'm helping and not hurting the teams efforts

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

1:59.554. 1:59.959. 1:59.961
First: I love the gearing. Its the smoothest yet. It lays down the power at all times. Throttle input control is needed more on this car than most others. When I can hit the correct entry speed the car rotates well. Unfortunately the suspension doesn't allow the vehicle to soak any of the bumps, the front end simply can't hang the longer corners or "infenion" corners. Overall it is sub-par with massive potential: fix the "soak" and watch it shred the competition.
Thanks Ronald for you feed back . I will fix it soon because iam still new in tuning cars . Put i want ask you whats " soak " i don't know !!?

 

[Onboy123]

Onboy123:
Honda Jazz 1.4 (fit?):
1:56.078. 1:57.422. 1:57.984:
My first couple of laps were frustrating. All the other cars (even the magical Kusabi by ACSR) once I got them to the correct rotational twist I didn't have to worry about oversteer. In this car oversteer is a "problem," or at least an option. My times went like this: 1:59.0xx, 1:58.7xx, 1:57.9xx, 1:56.078. Once you learn to enter the corner cautiously enough and balance the oversteer on mid- and corner exit this car rocks. "Balanced Aggression" would be a good name for this car. A heavy hitter in the right hands. This is the 427 Cobra of the FF Shootout. The breaks are a little lacking, and require more space to properly slow the car. The suspension has difficulty keeping up with the bumps, and thats this cars biggest con. If it could soak better it would shred this course with the best of them. All-in-all a great car, especially if your style fits it. I can't wait to try it on LSeca.
Because of the cars attitude it cuts through the Ss' like a Ginsue Machine. Love the color, especially once it gets dirty.

Thanks for the test. To be honest, I didn't really drive it on Toscana, so the settings weren't really set for the dirt. The 13.5 front spring rates should have given it away. That it does manage to do so with this result is nothing less than pure luck and driving from you, since the tune seems to

427 Cobra of the FF shootout eh? That's about as big a compliment as any Honda Jazz/Fit has ever got, I bet. Glad you enjoyed it, hopefully it doesn't let you down at Laguna.

 

[XDesperado67]

1:59.554. 1:59.959. 1:59.961
First: I love the gearing. Its the smoothest yet. It lays down the power at all times. Throttle input control is needed more on this car than most others. When I can hit the correct entry speed the car rotates well. Unfortunately the suspension doesn't allow the vehicle to soak any of the bumps, the front end simply can't hang the longer corners or "infenion" corners. Overall it is sub-par with massive potential: fix the "soak" and watch it shred the competition.
Thanks Ronald for you feed back . I will fix it soon because iam still new in tuning cars . Put i want ask you whats " soak " i don't know !!?

If a cars suspension "soaks" up the bumps it means it stays more stable and easy to control as the body will stay more level while the suspension does most of the moving.
On a fairly smooth paved track or road having a very firm suspension can be great for handling but comfort and performance of that stiff suspension will be impaired by rougher road conditions.

 

[JackWilson]

Jackthalad (Crystalbuds):
Honda Ballade Sports CR-X 1.5Si '83:
umm, dirt tyres are helpful

Sorry I forgot to buy these, have you purchased some or do you want me to get them.

Thanks

Jackthalad//CHRYSTALBUDS Honda, Ballade Sports CR-X 1.5Si '83
Laguna Seca 1:44.845
Toscana no dirt tires
Notes:

Again sorry for not purchasing the dirt tyres, I will get them ASAP.

 

[CyKosis1973]

I'll gladly take a crack at tuning that fireblade for ya. Just send it to me and I'll tune it and send it back.

I'll have a slice of that too..!! If you've not received a Caterham by the time I'm back online, I'll fire you one of the multitude that have been collecting dust in my garage.

I built one for a 525PP Shootout ages ago. It was outclassed at Laguna and there were only a few drivers who could extract the best from it. I've been wanting to have another go at it since, but LIFE has so far denied me..!!

427 Cobra of the FF shootout eh? That's about as big a compliment as any Honda Jazz/Fit has ever got, I bet. Glad you enjoyed it, hopefully it doesn't let you down at Laguna.

I suspected the Jazz might have some pep and vinegar to it, well done mate, keep it up... 👍

{Cy}

EDIT: Just noticed that there aren't any Suzuki Swifts entered. Were they not on the pace..??

 

[Ronald6]

@jackthelad: I can't buy tyres for a car I borrow from your OLG (online garage).

@Harvey: good definition of soak. Ty

@CyKosis: the more the merrier. I love the 'blade and the more tunes there are for it the more versatile it becomes. If you do need me to send you a 'blade it's no problem: I have around 20-30 of them on my inactive account.

Perhaps a Caterham Fireblade Shootout?

 

[Slender_Man]

@jackthelad: I can't buy tyres for a car I borrow from your OLG (online garage).

@Harvey: good definition of soak. Ty

@CyKosis: the more the merrier. I love the 'blade and the more tunes there are for it the more versatile it becomes. If you do need me to send you a 'blade it's no problem: I have around 20-30 of them on my inactive account.

Perhaps a Caterham Fireblade Shootout?

I like the sound of the Fireblade shootout 👍

 

[JackWilson]

Dirt tyres purchased and car is back on share. sorry for inconvenience.

 

[CyKosis1973]

@CyKosis: the more the merrier. I love the 'blade and the more tunes there are for it the more versatile it becomes. If you do need me to send you a 'blade it's no problem: I have around 20-30 of them on my inactive account.

I have a couple of builds, see my link to The Hill below. Both builds are old though and I haven't tired either since the game has been updated heavily.

I'm rather keen to try one built by ACSR 👍

I like the sound of the Fireblade shootout 👍

Make it so.

A bike-engined shootout..?? How many are there in the game?? The Fireblade and the GSX, f'o'sure.

fftopic: sorry...

{Cy}

 

[Ronald6]

I'm rather keen to try one built by ACSR 👍
{Cy}

After trying his Kusabi I will try anything he builds.
Q: Is it a bromance if he doesn't return the feelings?

A bike-engined shootout..?? How many are there in the game?? The Fireblade and the GSX, f'o'sure.
{Cy}

Ugh! Please, not the GSX. I got enough of them from PDs TTs.

I'm back at testing. Check page 17 for updates.

Edit: Has anyone tried the 1500cc Toyota SERA '92?

 

[XDesperado67]

@Ronald6 Your testing and feedback are great.👍👍
Jackthalad should have dirt tires on his car so you can test it on Toscana now as well.
Can't wait to see how you do on Laguna Seca and your feedback there.

Have to get together after the Shootout for a BBQ I'll buy the steaks if you get the beer.

 

[trackripper123]

Edit: Has anyone tried the 1500cc Toyota SERA '92?

I have a tune for it on circuits, but it didn't actually occur to me that it was a contender in this class...

Oh and will final times be calculated by average?

 

[XDesperado67]

I have a tune for it on circuits, but it didn't actually occur to me that it was a contender in this class...

Oh and will final times be calculated by average?

The average of all Test Drivers best laps will be used to determine what cars will go to the finals. The top two cars from each group will make the finals. I will announce the tracks to be used and Tuners will have 48 hours to make any adjustments they want before Final round testing begins.

Also due to some real life issues on my end and the hope that a few more people will volunteer to Test at least one group I'm going to push back the deadlines for both 1st round Test Driver signups and the end of the first round until next weekend. Sorry to do this but as they say "life happens".

 

[trackripper123]

The average of all Test Drivers best laps will be used to determine what cars will go to the finals. The top two cars from each group will make the finals. I will announce the tracks to be used and Tuners will have 48 hours to make any adjustments they want before Final round testing begins.

Also due to some real life issues on my end and the hope that a few more people will volunteer to Test at least one group I'm going to push back the deadlines for both 1st round Test Driver signups and the end of the first round until next weekend. Sorry to do this but as they say "life happens".

If you leave it late enough, I may be able to test a group or two...

 

[Ronald6]

Finished Group B cars on Toscana. Some amazing cars, some fun cars and a whole range of driving styles needed.

Beer and steaks? I'm there!

I'll start LSeca in a bit. But my schedule is somewhat full next week. I'll do what I can but it won't go fast. Please bear with me. Hopefully because I'm at least a little familiar with the track it shouldn't take as long. It takes me half an hour at best, to three hours to load each car.

48hrs to adjust? So they'll get better? This should be good.