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Wallbanger's 2nd Annual FF Summer Shootout
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Laguna Seca Group B Times and Notes
All aids off, ABS 1, Sports Hard Tyres.
My driving line is more contained this time and at most I'll put two tyres on the blue rumble strips, think GTAcademy with cones. I'm doing as many laps as I feel as needed to get an honest decent lap out of the car. Some will need only 6, but I'll try not to do more than 20. This is only due to me having to adapt my driving style to the car.
Will edit with updates.
Desperado:
Honda CR-Z '10, "Katana":
1:44.839. 1:45.075. 1:45.231:
Almost no feel to the car. No, wait, FF @ 1? Boost it back to 7. Ok, (more laps), very little feel still. But I just came off of hours on dirt so... Smooth is the word I'll use. Gears are nicely spaced and I can ear shift. Breaks are a tad heavy, 100%, even 70% is rarely called for. Rotation is nice but not great, but thats only relevant if I overshoot the corner. Corner entry is excellent, you know exactly where it's going go. Mid corner is hard to test on this track, there's no long mid to high speed corner, except perhaps corner 4. Corner exit is good and the grip is stable and predictable. Even when I overpush the car it recovers evenly and quickly. A nice balanced smooth ride.
Krenkme:
Toyota Vitz RS Turbo '02, "Phyllobates Terribilis":
1:44.655. 1:45.110. 1:46.037:
Love the breaks, good consistency and they don't exaggerate over- or under-steer. Much more feel than Harveys' (good to know it wasn't all in my head). The line between grip and slip is fairly broad, trail breaking is easy and fun, and I don't have to worry about snap over- or under-steer. The gears are ok, but I find myself shifting at odd times, killing the momentum. Third gear is a little short. Trail-breaking is easy but its hard to consistently hit the apexes, and with the very noticeable understeer correcting a bad entry mid-corner is nigh impossible.
C-Zeta (V16T91):
Mazda Demio Sport '03:
1:44.638. 1:45.652. 1:45.843:
If you miss an apex it's your own fault! In the first corner I felt the cars superior feedback. Breaking is smooth and even, but I never used more than 30%. Rotation is great and really helps corner exit. Trail-breaking is fantastic and corner entry is flawless.
NewDriver2 (OTS_NewDriver2):
Audi A2 1.4 '02:
1:47.523. 1:48.376. 1:48.622
Breaking is a bit lacking. Because of this corner entry greatly suffers. Corner exit suffers from the understeer. Gearing is good, well spaced. The shift points seem well synced to this track. The car has a good feel but it lacks front end grip, which varies I think due to the corner banking/camber.
Jackthalad (Crystalbuds):
Honda Ballade Sports CR-X 1.5Si '83:
1:45.325. 1:45.413. 1:46.084. :
Great feel. Front grip is lacking and that effects every other part of the car. Breaks have great consistency and pedal length. Balance and rotation is good, but I'm finding it difficult to hit the apexes consistently, either over breaking or running wide. Gearing is so good its bland. Or maybe thats the muffler sound. A fun car with just enough "attitude" (trail-breaking to acceleration rotation and smooth transition). For some reason on my least favorite corner, just before the uphill to the corkscrew, this car can do 6mph (76mph) faster than any other car, consistently.
ACSR421:
Mazda Kusabi '03:
1:43.429. 1:44.560:
Unbelievable handling in every way. The breaks alone are enough to make this car a powerhouse: they're even and consistent, using the full pedal when needed. The stopping distance is half that of any other vehicle yet. Perfect rotation and balance. Are you sure this isn't a 4wd? The gears are well spaced, even power throughout, synced to the track, and ear shifting is easy. Several other vehicles pause or bog down at certain rpms, even in the power band, this car does not. I could drive a bus through the space between grip and slip. My first lap was 1:44.560, my second 1:43.429, and my break points were way too soon. I won't bother doing a third lap, it would just make the other tuners cry. FF bliss. I dub thee David, the giant slayer! (Would it be favoritism if I changed my banner to I (heart) ACSRs' Tunes?)
TrackRipper123 (Ziz528):
Mazda Kusabi Concept '03:
1:42.085. 1:42.545. 1:43.263:
Not nearly as disappointing as I thought it would be after ACSRs' Kusabi, lol. This car is only slightly better than every other vehicle rather than leagues. Breaking is 2/3 the others, even, and full pedal. Turn-in (corner entry) is spot on. Rotation and balance are exquisite. Gearing is indistingushable (sp?) from ACSRs', except perhaps even better synced to this track. I hit my breaking point on max rpm on at least two, if not four, corners. Not as much feel as ACSRs', but still more than most. Grip - slip = alot! A massively forgiving tune; every apex, every lap. A superior tune in every way. This could easily give ACSRs' tune a run for its money.
// note: since I plan on retesting every vehicle once I become better acquainted with the track with FFs, ACSR (or another!) could post better laps later. //
OSE-CAP-SHADOW:
IST-R (Toyota ist 1.5s '02):
1:46.028. 1:46.058. 1:46.793:
TC: 5? Not a chance! Great feel (despite the stock TC:5 somehow). The breaks feel good, full pedal, but might need more distance than other cars. Turn in and balance is intuitive. Corner exit is very good, very little understeer on full gas. Gears are long, very long, fifth isn't needed, and I'm hitting first on two corners. It doesn't bog, but it could use the torque/hp its losing. This car could perhaps use some more "attitude," rotating more under gas and breaking, but if your style suits a neutral car you'll like the feel if this car.
LineR32:
Ka Kit Car:
1:58.643. 1:58.756. 1:59.236:
Oh, yeah. Understeer. Decent feel, but with a smidge of deadspace. Gearing is ok, it bogs at times, but I can ear shift. One of the downsides of not looking at the tunes' specs is that I don't get to see the torque and hp curves. I think early shifting is called for, rather than redlining it. Rotation is lacking and that hurts corner exit. The breaks are sub-par.Corner entry is difficult and hard to judge. This car has a serious lack of front grip and it is affecting every other aspect. I found it hard to produce consistent laps, especially on cold tyres.
Motor City Hami (MotorCytHamilton):
Fiat 500 1.2 8V Lounge SS '08:
1:44.370. 1:44.968. 1:45.245:
This car has a very heavy wheel. Turn in is good. Front grip is great. But the breaks are too heavy, I'm rarely using more than 30% pedal. Acceleration is above par. The gears are good, I can ear shift, but they don't seem as synced to this track as well as they could be. The balance is very neutral, very little under-steer, usually only on max gas at corner exit. Most of the time the car feels balanced between under- and over-steer. I noticed that the inside front tyre likes to spin under corner exit acceleration (:cough: LSD :cough
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Onboy123:
Honda Jazz 1.4 (fit?):
1:44.757. 1:45.283. 1:45.852:
Very solid wheel, but bland through the entire turning range. Front grip is ok, but its hard to know when I'm about to slip. Gearing is ok, it doesn't bog, but are a bit long. Breaks are good, it has full range through the pedal, and they are predictable and consistent. Turn in and corner exit are not consistent because of the bland wheel. Perhaps a good car for a DS3? I'll never know.
JollyGreen (thelitch77):
Honda CR-Z '10:
1:46.358. 1:46.699. 1:47.589:
Better than good feel. After the other CR-Zs, it is a sigh of relief. It has understeer, especially under heavy acceleration. But the understeer is completely manageable. Turn in and corner exit are very predictable, one of the best. Breaking is good, full pedal. Trail breaking doesn't apply oversteer. Gearing is long, I do use sixth gear, but just barely. A fun car I could get used to.
Diogo G. (werty_56-1):
Volks Lupo 1.4 "Sunday Driver", '02:
1:46.806. 1:47.360. 1:47.653:
A heavy wheel, but, fortunately, not quite as bland as OnBoys'. Almost perfectly/blandly neutral between over- and under-steer. Only the slightest adjustments to inputs is needed to adjust corner entry, 'every apex, every lap.' "Attitude" (pivoting) is very responsive but forgiving. Grip - slip is so un-noticable that its hard to know what's happening to the tyres after they slip. The gears are long, ear shifting is easy, but they don't lay the power down well enough. Overall corner entry is great, corner exit it lacking. A fun car.
Theo777 (Zigatan):
Nissan Micra "MicraMachine", '03:
1:43.633. 1:44.755 1:45.125:
Now that's feeling! Perhaps a smidge "squishy" on entry, but I know what's happening to the tyres through the complete range of input controls. Excellent range between 'grip and slip,' without sacrificing feel or turn-in accuracy. Corner exit is excellent, but the long gears hurt acceleration. Ear shifting is easy, good tone. The breaks are excellent, full pedal and predictable. The tyres will accept full gas on tight corners, and even with red melted tyres it will still turn and accelerate out. Sweet. I can "burn" into a corner, swing it 'round on its attitude with full gas and burn out.Amazing fun but it kills my times. An excellent car to learn understeer on. I gotta get me one of these. If you could add a sixth gear, and sync it, it would be a top-tier car.
Jkineary #Desp:
Fiat 500 Rally (fiat 500 1.2 8V?):
1:49.490. 1:49.694. 1:49.975:
Excellent breaks (full pedal range and excellent stopping distance, two thumbs up.) and turn in. The feeling is balanced well between heavy and light, but it lacks a full sense of feedback. The gears are very long. Very. This car has no acceleration. Good balance between over- and under-steer, without being bland.
JohnnyBoy532:
Honda CR-Z '10:
1:44.481. 1:45.161. 1:45.774:
Off the line the acceleration of this car grabbed me by my throat and said, "Your mine, b!t¢π!" I'm just trying to hold on and not let it spank me too hard. Part of that is the excellent gearing, the other part the excellent rotation. Either the front grip or breaks are a tad under par. Noticeable understeer, but more than manageable with the full range of feel the wheel gives back (perhaps a smidge too weak in the middle, but I'm not complaining). Respect this car at all times or you'll be eating the wall. I dub thee "The Hot Ex-Girlfriend." Now to grab it by the hair and try to get some laps in.
DigitalBaka:
Audi A2 1.4 '02, "Allroad":
1:46.035. 1:46.293. 1:46.459:
It rips through the tightly packed gears, then slides past the apex. Good gearing. But the front grip is appalling, and the breaks are incredibly touchy. I barely use 30%. Any more any they just lock up. At least its well balanced, that is to say both ends will slide past the apex evenly. The car is manageable but I have to break very early, and accelerate through the apex gently, absolutely no trail-breaking allowed.
moparisgod #krenkme:
Fiat 500 1.2 8V Lounge SS '08:
1:45.390. 1:45.854. 1:45.876:
I maxed 5th before the first corner, every lap. Turn in is, umm, interesting. Eager? Once I got used too its eagerness its balance and rotation are excellent. An exceptionally consistent car. Great breaks. If it had the gearing it would kill.
Tris_73:
Honda Ballade Sports CR-X 1.5Si '83:
1:45.817. 1:46.163. 1:46.316:
Exceptionally intuitive input controls. Everything: wheel feel, breaks, turn in and corner exit, even the gearing. I feel like I could take my hands off the wheel, sit back, squint a little, and control it mentally. The gap between grip n slip isn't a mile wide, but it's big enough, and you know at every moment just how much grip you have left. I dub thee, "The Mentalist."
All aids off, ABS 1, Sports Hard Tyres.
My driving line is more contained this time and at most I'll put two tyres on the blue rumble strips, think GTAcademy with cones. I'm doing as many laps as I feel as needed to get an honest decent lap out of the car. Some will need only 6, but I'll try not to do more than 20. This is only due to me having to adapt my driving style to the car.
Will edit with updates.
Desperado:
Honda CR-Z '10, "Katana":
1:44.839. 1:45.075. 1:45.231:
Almost no feel to the car. No, wait, FF @ 1? Boost it back to 7. Ok, (more laps), very little feel still. But I just came off of hours on dirt so... Smooth is the word I'll use. Gears are nicely spaced and I can ear shift. Breaks are a tad heavy, 100%, even 70% is rarely called for. Rotation is nice but not great, but thats only relevant if I overshoot the corner. Corner entry is excellent, you know exactly where it's going go. Mid corner is hard to test on this track, there's no long mid to high speed corner, except perhaps corner 4. Corner exit is good and the grip is stable and predictable. Even when I overpush the car it recovers evenly and quickly. A nice balanced smooth ride.
Krenkme:
Toyota Vitz RS Turbo '02, "Phyllobates Terribilis":
1:44.655. 1:45.110. 1:46.037:
Love the breaks, good consistency and they don't exaggerate over- or under-steer. Much more feel than Harveys' (good to know it wasn't all in my head). The line between grip and slip is fairly broad, trail breaking is easy and fun, and I don't have to worry about snap over- or under-steer. The gears are ok, but I find myself shifting at odd times, killing the momentum. Third gear is a little short. Trail-breaking is easy but its hard to consistently hit the apexes, and with the very noticeable understeer correcting a bad entry mid-corner is nigh impossible.
C-Zeta (V16T91):
Mazda Demio Sport '03:
1:44.638. 1:45.652. 1:45.843:
If you miss an apex it's your own fault! In the first corner I felt the cars superior feedback. Breaking is smooth and even, but I never used more than 30%. Rotation is great and really helps corner exit. Trail-breaking is fantastic and corner entry is flawless.
NewDriver2 (OTS_NewDriver2):
Audi A2 1.4 '02:
1:47.523. 1:48.376. 1:48.622
Breaking is a bit lacking. Because of this corner entry greatly suffers. Corner exit suffers from the understeer. Gearing is good, well spaced. The shift points seem well synced to this track. The car has a good feel but it lacks front end grip, which varies I think due to the corner banking/camber.
Jackthalad (Crystalbuds):
Honda Ballade Sports CR-X 1.5Si '83:
1:45.325. 1:45.413. 1:46.084. :
Great feel. Front grip is lacking and that effects every other part of the car. Breaks have great consistency and pedal length. Balance and rotation is good, but I'm finding it difficult to hit the apexes consistently, either over breaking or running wide. Gearing is so good its bland. Or maybe thats the muffler sound. A fun car with just enough "attitude" (trail-breaking to acceleration rotation and smooth transition). For some reason on my least favorite corner, just before the uphill to the corkscrew, this car can do 6mph (76mph) faster than any other car, consistently.
ACSR421:
Mazda Kusabi '03:
1:43.429. 1:44.560:
Unbelievable handling in every way. The breaks alone are enough to make this car a powerhouse: they're even and consistent, using the full pedal when needed. The stopping distance is half that of any other vehicle yet. Perfect rotation and balance. Are you sure this isn't a 4wd? The gears are well spaced, even power throughout, synced to the track, and ear shifting is easy. Several other vehicles pause or bog down at certain rpms, even in the power band, this car does not. I could drive a bus through the space between grip and slip. My first lap was 1:44.560, my second 1:43.429, and my break points were way too soon. I won't bother doing a third lap, it would just make the other tuners cry. FF bliss. I dub thee David, the giant slayer! (Would it be favoritism if I changed my banner to I (heart) ACSRs' Tunes?)
TrackRipper123 (Ziz528):
Mazda Kusabi Concept '03:
1:42.085. 1:42.545. 1:43.263:
Not nearly as disappointing as I thought it would be after ACSRs' Kusabi, lol. This car is only slightly better than every other vehicle rather than leagues. Breaking is 2/3 the others, even, and full pedal. Turn-in (corner entry) is spot on. Rotation and balance are exquisite. Gearing is indistingushable (sp?) from ACSRs', except perhaps even better synced to this track. I hit my breaking point on max rpm on at least two, if not four, corners. Not as much feel as ACSRs', but still more than most. Grip - slip = alot! A massively forgiving tune; every apex, every lap. A superior tune in every way. This could easily give ACSRs' tune a run for its money.
// note: since I plan on retesting every vehicle once I become better acquainted with the track with FFs, ACSR (or another!) could post better laps later. //
OSE-CAP-SHADOW:
IST-R (Toyota ist 1.5s '02):
1:46.028. 1:46.058. 1:46.793:
TC: 5? Not a chance! Great feel (despite the stock TC:5 somehow). The breaks feel good, full pedal, but might need more distance than other cars. Turn in and balance is intuitive. Corner exit is very good, very little understeer on full gas. Gears are long, very long, fifth isn't needed, and I'm hitting first on two corners. It doesn't bog, but it could use the torque/hp its losing. This car could perhaps use some more "attitude," rotating more under gas and breaking, but if your style suits a neutral car you'll like the feel if this car.
LineR32:
Ka Kit Car:
1:58.643. 1:58.756. 1:59.236:
Oh, yeah. Understeer. Decent feel, but with a smidge of deadspace. Gearing is ok, it bogs at times, but I can ear shift. One of the downsides of not looking at the tunes' specs is that I don't get to see the torque and hp curves. I think early shifting is called for, rather than redlining it. Rotation is lacking and that hurts corner exit. The breaks are sub-par.Corner entry is difficult and hard to judge. This car has a serious lack of front grip and it is affecting every other aspect. I found it hard to produce consistent laps, especially on cold tyres.
Motor City Hami (MotorCytHamilton):
Fiat 500 1.2 8V Lounge SS '08:
1:44.370. 1:44.968. 1:45.245:
This car has a very heavy wheel. Turn in is good. Front grip is great. But the breaks are too heavy, I'm rarely using more than 30% pedal. Acceleration is above par. The gears are good, I can ear shift, but they don't seem as synced to this track as well as they could be. The balance is very neutral, very little under-steer, usually only on max gas at corner exit. Most of the time the car feels balanced between under- and over-steer. I noticed that the inside front tyre likes to spin under corner exit acceleration (:cough: LSD :cough
.Onboy123:
Honda Jazz 1.4 (fit?):
1:44.757. 1:45.283. 1:45.852:
Very solid wheel, but bland through the entire turning range. Front grip is ok, but its hard to know when I'm about to slip. Gearing is ok, it doesn't bog, but are a bit long. Breaks are good, it has full range through the pedal, and they are predictable and consistent. Turn in and corner exit are not consistent because of the bland wheel. Perhaps a good car for a DS3? I'll never know.
JollyGreen (thelitch77):
Honda CR-Z '10:
1:46.358. 1:46.699. 1:47.589:
Better than good feel. After the other CR-Zs, it is a sigh of relief. It has understeer, especially under heavy acceleration. But the understeer is completely manageable. Turn in and corner exit are very predictable, one of the best. Breaking is good, full pedal. Trail breaking doesn't apply oversteer. Gearing is long, I do use sixth gear, but just barely. A fun car I could get used to.
Diogo G. (werty_56-1):
Volks Lupo 1.4 "Sunday Driver", '02:
1:46.806. 1:47.360. 1:47.653:
A heavy wheel, but, fortunately, not quite as bland as OnBoys'. Almost perfectly/blandly neutral between over- and under-steer. Only the slightest adjustments to inputs is needed to adjust corner entry, 'every apex, every lap.' "Attitude" (pivoting) is very responsive but forgiving. Grip - slip is so un-noticable that its hard to know what's happening to the tyres after they slip. The gears are long, ear shifting is easy, but they don't lay the power down well enough. Overall corner entry is great, corner exit it lacking. A fun car.
Theo777 (Zigatan):
Nissan Micra "MicraMachine", '03:
1:43.633. 1:44.755 1:45.125:
Now that's feeling! Perhaps a smidge "squishy" on entry, but I know what's happening to the tyres through the complete range of input controls. Excellent range between 'grip and slip,' without sacrificing feel or turn-in accuracy. Corner exit is excellent, but the long gears hurt acceleration. Ear shifting is easy, good tone. The breaks are excellent, full pedal and predictable. The tyres will accept full gas on tight corners, and even with red melted tyres it will still turn and accelerate out. Sweet. I can "burn" into a corner, swing it 'round on its attitude with full gas and burn out.Amazing fun but it kills my times. An excellent car to learn understeer on. I gotta get me one of these. If you could add a sixth gear, and sync it, it would be a top-tier car.
Jkineary #Desp:
Fiat 500 Rally (fiat 500 1.2 8V?):
1:49.490. 1:49.694. 1:49.975:
Excellent breaks (full pedal range and excellent stopping distance, two thumbs up.) and turn in. The feeling is balanced well between heavy and light, but it lacks a full sense of feedback. The gears are very long. Very. This car has no acceleration. Good balance between over- and under-steer, without being bland.
JohnnyBoy532:
Honda CR-Z '10:
1:44.481. 1:45.161. 1:45.774:
Off the line the acceleration of this car grabbed me by my throat and said, "Your mine, b!t¢π!" I'm just trying to hold on and not let it spank me too hard. Part of that is the excellent gearing, the other part the excellent rotation. Either the front grip or breaks are a tad under par. Noticeable understeer, but more than manageable with the full range of feel the wheel gives back (perhaps a smidge too weak in the middle, but I'm not complaining). Respect this car at all times or you'll be eating the wall. I dub thee "The Hot Ex-Girlfriend." Now to grab it by the hair and try to get some laps in.
DigitalBaka:
Audi A2 1.4 '02, "Allroad":
1:46.035. 1:46.293. 1:46.459:
It rips through the tightly packed gears, then slides past the apex. Good gearing. But the front grip is appalling, and the breaks are incredibly touchy. I barely use 30%. Any more any they just lock up. At least its well balanced, that is to say both ends will slide past the apex evenly. The car is manageable but I have to break very early, and accelerate through the apex gently, absolutely no trail-breaking allowed.
moparisgod #krenkme:
Fiat 500 1.2 8V Lounge SS '08:
1:45.390. 1:45.854. 1:45.876:
I maxed 5th before the first corner, every lap. Turn in is, umm, interesting. Eager? Once I got used too its eagerness its balance and rotation are excellent. An exceptionally consistent car. Great breaks. If it had the gearing it would kill.
Tris_73:
Honda Ballade Sports CR-X 1.5Si '83:
1:45.817. 1:46.163. 1:46.316:
Exceptionally intuitive input controls. Everything: wheel feel, breaks, turn in and corner exit, even the gearing. I feel like I could take my hands off the wheel, sit back, squint a little, and control it mentally. The gap between grip n slip isn't a mile wide, but it's big enough, and you know at every moment just how much grip you have left. I dub thee, "The Mentalist."
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Allroad Mini
Based on: Audi A2 1.4 '02
Acquired: Used Car Dealership
SPECS
Drivetrain: FF
Power: 206HP @ 6700
Torque: ?? ft-lbs @ 4400
Weight: 910kg
PP: 430
PARTS
GT Auto
-Oil Change
-Paint: Audi Absolute Red
-Wheels: Prodrive GC-010G
-Wheel Paint: Matte Dark Silver
Tuning Shop
-Window Weight Reduction
-ECU Tuning
-Sports Intake Manifold
-Racing Air Filter
-Sports Exhaust Manifold
-Catalytic Converter: Sports
-High RPM Range Turbo Kit
-Fully Customizable Transmission
-Twin Plate Clutch
-Semi-Racing Flywheel
-Adjustable LSD
-Fully Customizable Suspension
-Sports Hard Tires / Dirt Tires
SETTINGS
Drivetrain
-LSD Initial: 15
-LSD Accel: 35
-LSD Decel: 10
Suspension
-Ride Height: 0 / 0
-Spring Rate: 8.5 / 5.0
-Extension: 7 / 6
-Compression: 6 / 7
-Anti-Roll Bar: 4 / 3
-Camber: 2.5 / 1.2
-Toe: 0.16 / -0.12
Transmission
1st Gear: 3.248
2nd Gear: 2.434
3rd Gear: 1.991
4th Gear: 1.692
5th Gear: 1.455
6th Gear: 1.284
Final Gear: 2.847
Brakes
Brake Balance: 7 / 6
DRIVING OPTIONS
Transmission: Optional
Steering Sensitivity: 0
ABS: 1
Other Aids: OFF
What if Audi made an Allroad based not on the A6 but the A2? Would it look a bit like this? Well, no, probably not, but maybe.
Tuned exclusively at Laguna Seca it still doesn't quite do what I want it to do as well as I want it to do it, but I still haven't figured out FFs so I hope the testers will give me some useful criticism and not just blow smoke up....where it doesn't belong.I did make some compromises as we are running on tarmac and dirt with the same tune but I appreciate good feedback all the same. I am particularly interested in how well the transmission does as this is the first time I have let a custom trans stand instead of defaulting to a close ratio box.
It isn't too bad at LS, running in the low 44s. I gave it a quick whirl around Toscana before oil changing and sharing. It is definitely a bouncy ride and quite twitchy but once you get used to how it behaves it is passable. Diving into corners is probably not a good strategy on dirt with this little box, braking earlier tended to be faster for me but I am useless on dirt.
I will need to go through the list of drivers tonight for folks I don't have added yet.
Looks like your car better than mine from the informtion of Ronald time . so well done Digital After the shootout i will mix your tune with my tune if you allow me to do that .
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Feel free!
I'm not particular about that kind of stuff so long as people ask first. If you end up posting something using part of my settings just give it a passing mention please. Don't want you to be accused of copy/pasting tunes like some other folks have recently. 
Ronald, thanks for testing! I have to go find your results again and peek but I appreciate the time you've put in thus far, as does everyone I'm sure.
Is any one else testing all of the groups? If I have the time I may take a peek and see where more times are needed and do some laps myself.
Edit: 996 posts, my favorite of the newer 911s.
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DigitalBakaFeel free!
Ronald, thanks for testing! I have to go find your results again and peek but I appreciate the time you've put in thus far, as does everyone I'm sure.
Is any one else testing all of the groups? If I have the time I may take a peek and see where more times are needed and do some laps myself.
Edit: 996 posts, my favorite of the newer 911s.
Sure mate i will .thats if i have garage to write down my tune i will . Now iam going to make good car mix betweet three tunes one of this tune is yours so later or soon my A2 it will be wow you will see!!! :-) and if did it i will send one car free for you .lol .
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Lads and gents, I would just like to let you that the my Group B testing at Laguna Seca has officially ended! 
Usual rules apply, check page 9 for all the times you need to know. I don't want spoil it, but I will say I found some pleasing surprises...
Usual rules apply, check page 9 for all the times you need to know. I don't want spoil it, but I will say I found some pleasing surprises...
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That kid has potential quite a lot of potential, I'd say. Or just quite a heavy right foot/thumb.
Anyways ACSR, you gonna complete your testing soon? Or are you going to leave it at that just to fix the results somewhat?
Nice driving Niku.👍👍Lads and gents, I would just like to let you that the my Group B testing at Laguna Seca has officially ended!
@Johnyboy way to sneak past me in Niku's testing at Laguna Seca.
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Nice driving Niku.👍👍
@Johnyboy way to sneak past me in Niku's testing at Laguna Seca.
Well, only a few cars left for Toscana and my job will be done.
And yes, Johnyboy's time might be the surprise of the test sessions!
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Eh, I'm intending on showing my discontent with the car's result though getting Niku to drive something for me.That'll teach you to screw up my car.
Cheers to that, mate.
Thank God I started early, or all the exams would screw up my schedule... P.S.: Jackthalad, would you please send me a FR, I can't find your name on my friends list. Thanks in advance.
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Gahh it was looking so good too, now look what's happened... 
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Gahh it was looking so good too, now look what's happened...
I was about to kill Niku for dropping me from 4th to 7th or whatever it was, but I let him go after he knocked your chances on the podium right off.
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I was about to kill Niku for dropping me from 4th to 7th or whatever it was, but I let him go after he knocked your chances on the podium right off.
Kill me? I can't help if your rushed Honda can't keep up with other cars!
Plus, you were very lucky not to get smashed by Mopar's car, only x.x.010 separated the two.
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Onboy123I was about to kill Niku for dropping me from 4th to 7th or whatever it was, but I let him go after he knocked your chances on the podium right off.
Yeah whatever, just 'cause you wish you were as good as me.
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Holy *expletive*. I guess the guys at Clueless have taught me well 👍.
Great times Niku, I never would have guessed the Fiat was that good on the dirt. Thanks 👍 *amazed*
Great times Niku, I never would have guessed the Fiat was that good on the dirt. Thanks 👍 *amazed*
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Well, there is only one problem with the whole car: the transmission. Solve that and the car becomes bang-on.
On dirt, it was pretty fun to drive. I was pretty surprised myself. Must be that small body...
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Are Nicos' times anything like mine? (It would suck if his fastest car is my slowest and vice versa). I don't want to look at his results till I'm finished. I'm not even looking at the settings besides to verify the cars PP.
I might not get much testing done today. Some family are here and I have a six hour drive to pick my oldest boy up (three hrs if he drives).
Edit: So I was on my way to work yesterday, got halfway through the first corner and thought, "the suspension is a little week, excellent grip for it's horsepower, nice rotation and balance, where is the shift paddle!" Man, my car is weak. I need a new ride.
I might not get much testing done today. Some family are here and I have a six hour drive to pick my oldest boy up (three hrs if he drives).
Edit: So I was on my way to work yesterday, got halfway through the first corner and thought, "the suspension is a little week, excellent grip for it's horsepower, nice rotation and balance, where is the shift paddle!" Man, my car is weak. I need a new ride.
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Considering the difference in driver skill and testing methods I'd say that the results are fairly similar. Looks as though ACSR421 has tuned a real 430PP monster to crush us all with.
Cheese car + god tuner in sheep's clothing = easy victory.
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Still at a loss for the transmission
. Whenever I try to tune one I fail, badly. I need the help of the tuning forum (or just krenkme ) but for my first shootout I'll take it. Great job 👍
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Still at a loss for the transmission
Tranny trick ftw.
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Onboy123Tranny trick ftw.
I have no idea what that is
. I've tried to figure out how krenkme does his. How pariano does it and, well everyone else, bit I fail.But that is why you guys are in a garage, you're amazing
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Go to praiano's thread on the first page he should have links to how he sets up transmissions follow those and he has some nice graphic pictures that show how to set them. That's what I used as a basis for setting up most of my transmissions. Do it a couple times and you won't need the graphs anymore, then you can start adjusting the settings a bit to try and get the best results.👍👍I have no idea what that is
But that is why you guys are in a garage, you're amazing
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Ha-ha
I know, I've tried. But graphs and percentages are a little confusing on my 26inch TV. 
.You guys are the experts. That is why this forum is the beast 👍
The tuning forum is the most helpful in GTP. Keep up the great work
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Well if the graphs confused you just follow these simple steps.Ha-ha
You guys are the experts. That is why this forum is the beast 👍
The tuning forum is the most helpful in GTP. Keep up the great work
1)move final gear all the way to the right.
2)move top speed all the way to the left.
3)move 1st gear all the way left.
4)move the highest gear usually 5th or 6th all the way right.
5)space the remaining gears evenly, use the hash marks to get an idea. So on a 5 speed 2nd would be about two and a half hash marks from the left end, 3rd would be right in the middle and 4th would be about two and a half hash marks from the right.
6)move the final gear to the left until the top speed shown in the upper right of the screen is about 10mph/15kph higher than your desired top speed.
That's the basics for it.
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XDesperado67Well if the graphs confused you just follow these simple steps.
1)move final gear all the way to the right.
2)move top speed all the way to the left.
3)move 1st gear all the way left.
4)move the highest gear usually 5th or 6th all the way right.
5)space the remaining gears evenly, use the hash marks to get an idea. So on a 5 speed 2nd would be about two and a half hash marks from the left end, 3rd would be right in the middle and 4th would be about two and a half hash marks from the right.
6)move the final gear to the left until the top speed shown in the upper right of the screen is about 10mph/15kph higher than your desired top speed.
That's the basics for it.
I can't see the "hash marks" very well (tv is older the the Wallbanger..
) but when I try to build my own tranny, I try and follow everyone here in GTP. Thanks for the guidance and I hope next shootout I'll have my own trans. For the comp.
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HeHeHe I know what you mean about old TVs and hard to read screens. Both the TVs I use are old with the one in my room being particularly bad. If I didn't know what most of the screens read by now I'd be going blind trying to read them they are so blurry.I can't see the "hash marks" very well (tv is older the the Wallbanger..
The other TV I use isn't quite as bad but I have to sorhare it with mom and either move my PS3 or the TV neither of which is fun.
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