- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Just make it rain please 
WEC S2, R9, Nurburgring GP/F Finale!
- Thread starter TDZdave
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- 935
- Coventry
- jonnyb1990
Gentleman it will be nice to know the race conditions, cause they're not specified in this thread... i'm referring to:
-Skid rec
-Grip reduction
-Slipstream
-Driving AIDS
....Etc
Sorry for my stupid question cause i'm new here
No SRF,
Grid Reduction real
Slip Stream weak
Damage Light
Tyre wear normal
Driving aids are individual discretion.
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
I reckon TCS will be on for me if it rains. The Pesca is quite nifty in the wet, the downforce makes a difference. Looking forward to trying to take a few of the big boys heads tonight.
- 2,509
- Coventry
- memto89
Gentleman it will be nice to know the race conditions, cause they're not specified in this thread... i'm referring to:
-Skid rec
-Grip reduction
-Slipstream
-Driving AIDS
....Etc
Sorry for my stupid question cause i'm new here
race regs will only allow traction control and ABS everything else will be turned off for the race
- 1,519
- Brighton
- Pluxtheduck
Osr20_LIf the stewards put the weather changeability to 10 it will be better chance for mixed conditions dry/wet ... If the the changeability is set in 2, the weather won't change almost noting, if it starts raining, it will end raining the full 2.4h
Us LMP boys don't want it changeable... Please stay nice and dry
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Beg to differ. Rain please!
- 3,019
- Essex
I'm hoping for a dry race. It rained almost everytime i've raced at spa.
- 935
- Coventry
- jonnyb1990
If the stewards put the weather changeability to 10 it will be better chance for mixed conditions dry/wet ... If the the changeability is set in 2, the weather won't change almost noting, if it starts raining, it will end raining the full 2.4h
Tbh from experience, the weather can change completely on whatever changeability. The only difference is that the rate of change between sunshine, overcast, drizzle and rain is slower, which makes it easier to manage tyre choice. But it can go up or down just the same.
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
I say 4-6. Using 6 in TOCA now and we had a little drizzle, now its brightened up with odd cloudy spells.
I'm looking forward to it tonight lads, did my final practice about an hour or so ago, hope it don't rain much the Zonda is abit of handful/very twitchy in the wet
Does anyone know what a good lap time is in the GTE class? im into the 2.16s in the dry
Im running mid 2:19's in the dry, dam that fairlady isnt fair lol, expecially when its wet
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Changeable weather. Called a challenge. If you are not good enough you are not good enough. If this was my gig we would have heavy damage as well.
I'm gonna plug away no matter in the little Pesca.
I'm gonna plug away no matter in the little Pesca.
freshseth83
(Banned)
- 8,246
- freshseth83
2:17s and lower is what the GTE cars will be gettting in the dry. Just hang on to their draft and stay clean, you will do ok.
- 831
- ANFD
Just an observation .... the description of what aides can or cannot be used has never been posted. A PM to Dave asking for clarification was never answered so I just figured I'd go by whatever rooms settings were. The fact is however, that these settings have been different for every race and every practice session so far. Whoever set up the room just set them where they wanted apparently. (TC has been turned off in a couple sessions for example). Active steering had been allowed for the first two races for instance. Post #722 and post #724 contain conflicting information as an example.
My point here is that this should have been indicated in the OP and should be a constant for every practice session and race. Also I should add that during practice sessions, jonnyb suggested I bump up the HP on the R8 a couple times but this isn't reflected in the OP either so I'm not sure what setting I should use.
For what it's worth, I have practiced quite a bit and have only cracked the 2:20 mark once at 2:19.995 while all other laps have been 2:20's and above (and that was at 483HP as jonnyb suggested in a PM to me).
From my perspective, I would like to see "Heavy Damage" and lots of rain
My point here is that this should have been indicated in the OP and should be a constant for every practice session and race. Also I should add that during practice sessions, jonnyb suggested I bump up the HP on the R8 a couple times but this isn't reflected in the OP either so I'm not sure what setting I should use.
For what it's worth, I have practiced quite a bit and have only cracked the 2:20 mark once at 2:19.995 while all other laps have been 2:20's and above (and that was at 483HP as jonnyb suggested in a PM to me).
From my perspective, I would like to see "Heavy Damage" and lots of rain
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- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Be there in 5.
- 1,535
- Hampshire
- smuffyatfcp
Can I be a resurve for the rest of the season?
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Sorry to bail like that guys, i couldnt race that, many excuses but basically i got rammed off by brawn then the car was crap 6th gear 2000 rpm with tc at 8 an it was still spinning its rear wheels, i was more of a hazard than anything else, plus with all the lap 4 penaltys to come my race time is still gonna be 3 an a half weeks long !!!
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Race report:
Terrible Quali, saw the rain and decided to go on intermediates for the start. This meant as people pitted, my disadvantage picking my way through GT (and a Les Combes GT pile up) was negated and I led by around 8-13 seconds. Had about 3 small spins in that time, but that Pescarolo was beautiful to drive.
Then came up on Seth vs Lout vs Me in hour 2, was good fun, apologies Lout for our scrape. Ended up falling off pace as track dried. Dave, it needs a power boost. 2:07's are the limit for this car. Anything diesel / turbo just rips me on a straight so bad its not funny. And @ Johnny, sorry for our crash, fatigue and pushing hard led to that. But I did get 14 laps I think out of tyres on last stint.
Providing specs get tweaked, I will be back at Fuji with this car, stuck to the ground like rails, tyres only gave way at 10%. Shame people were scared off and rage quit, but at same time dissapointed at 5th, when a podium was always in my grasp.
Terrible Quali, saw the rain and decided to go on intermediates for the start. This meant as people pitted, my disadvantage picking my way through GT (and a Les Combes GT pile up) was negated and I led by around 8-13 seconds. Had about 3 small spins in that time, but that Pescarolo was beautiful to drive.
Then came up on Seth vs Lout vs Me in hour 2, was good fun, apologies Lout for our scrape. Ended up falling off pace as track dried. Dave, it needs a power boost. 2:07's are the limit for this car. Anything diesel / turbo just rips me on a straight so bad its not funny. And @ Johnny, sorry for our crash, fatigue and pushing hard led to that. But I did get 14 laps I think out of tyres on last stint.
Providing specs get tweaked, I will be back at Fuji with this car, stuck to the ground like rails, tyres only gave way at 10%. Shame people were scared off and rage quit, but at same time dissapointed at 5th, when a podium was always in my grasp.
- 1,519
- Brighton
- Pluxtheduck
I backed out as I couldn't keep pace with you guys with my leg locking up and by the end of it I was driving with gritted teeth and a yelp everytime I moved to brake.
freshseth83
(Banned)
- 8,246
- freshseth83
Furi, you don't need power- you could do with a turbo though. The Judd engines aren't turbocharged like the diesels and Toyota/Bentley. That is what gives top speed imo. The 908 was tricky in the wet. My lsd settings were aimed at the dry with really awesome throttle response. A little too sensitive though. During the wet the tc would just cut off the gas, there was almost no acceleration at all until i hit 3rd gear. I set the rear toe at a unique setting -.40 with front toe at .00, that was really twitchy in the wet.
- 831
- ANFD
Long races with 100% wet track aren't much fun unless you go into them knowing that it will be a full-on "Wet Race". I was led to believe that there would be "changeable weather with a chance of rain".
Because the R8 was such a dog on the straights in all the previous sessions and I was about 4 to 5 seconds slower than everyone else, I resorted to running less and less wing each time I tried to pick up time. Adding 30 HP as suggested (443 - 473HP) only delivered about 3mph faster top end. With reduced downforce, the R8 was completely undriveable at anything over 20% wet track. I couldn't complete a lap without spinning at least 5 or 6 times. And by undriveable, I mean .....
1) At a couple slow corners, the car would do a slow spin no matter what gear, RPM or approach I took. It spun around slowly on every lap at the same two corners (even below 30 mph).
2) Every time I downshifted, the rears would lock and induce spinning. This occurred everywhere and in every gear. This really made the car impossible to drive.
3) There were times when the car just had a mind of it's own and it went where it wanted to no matter what inputs I proposed.
4) There were times when the car would get loose and try to spin going down the long straight at 100 mph with TC at 10. This was about as fast as the car would go with the TC cranked up in these conditions.
5) The car behaved the exact same way regardless of what tires were on. They all felt like slicks on a flooded track !
I've raced a couple 4 hour races at the Ring with full rain at 100% and didn't mind it at all. The GTR TC was easily adaptable to the conditions whereas the R8 was a complete brat !
Bottom line is that I had to wait out the rain in the pits and then get back in when the track started drying. The race was absolutely NO FUN like this and a complete waste of time. I was so much looking forward to this race, thinking that there would be strategy involved choosing tires to match the changing conditions but the settings were way off in my opinion. I wish there was someone out there who truly understands the settings for weather (I know I don't)
Please give the excrement du jour R8 to someone else now as I will not be participating in the next two races. We're off on our annual road trip next week and won't be back for over a month
Because the R8 was such a dog on the straights in all the previous sessions and I was about 4 to 5 seconds slower than everyone else, I resorted to running less and less wing each time I tried to pick up time. Adding 30 HP as suggested (443 - 473HP) only delivered about 3mph faster top end. With reduced downforce, the R8 was completely undriveable at anything over 20% wet track. I couldn't complete a lap without spinning at least 5 or 6 times. And by undriveable, I mean .....
1) At a couple slow corners, the car would do a slow spin no matter what gear, RPM or approach I took. It spun around slowly on every lap at the same two corners (even below 30 mph).
2) Every time I downshifted, the rears would lock and induce spinning. This occurred everywhere and in every gear. This really made the car impossible to drive.
3) There were times when the car just had a mind of it's own and it went where it wanted to no matter what inputs I proposed.
4) There were times when the car would get loose and try to spin going down the long straight at 100 mph with TC at 10. This was about as fast as the car would go with the TC cranked up in these conditions.
5) The car behaved the exact same way regardless of what tires were on. They all felt like slicks on a flooded track !
I've raced a couple 4 hour races at the Ring with full rain at 100% and didn't mind it at all. The GTR TC was easily adaptable to the conditions whereas the R8 was a complete brat !
Bottom line is that I had to wait out the rain in the pits and then get back in when the track started drying. The race was absolutely NO FUN like this and a complete waste of time. I was so much looking forward to this race, thinking that there would be strategy involved choosing tires to match the changing conditions but the settings were way off in my opinion. I wish there was someone out there who truly understands the settings for weather (I know I don't)
Please give the excrement du jour R8 to someone else now as I will not be participating in the next two races. We're off on our annual road trip next week and won't be back for over a month
freshseth83
(Banned)
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- freshseth83
The rain stayed for over an hour I think. But it stopped with about 45 minutes left. The track dried out in I think 20 minutes or so. That was a tricky part of the race with tire choice. The intermediate tires were a blast because they were almost like driving racing hard compounds.
braunracing88
(Banned)
- 908
- Troy, MI, USA
- braunracing88
That was chaotic in the rain. I almost found myself laughing at how many times TDZDave spun in the wet. I never expected to finish ahead of a prototype. And yet, that's exactly what happened.
Also, just a suggestion, for track that have changeable weather, we might want to consider extending the time limit for the race so that we have a better chance of getting the full distance in. We won't have to worry about this until Le Mans, so we've got time to consider it. I'm not saying we should do it. It's just something to think about.
Also, just a suggestion, for track that have changeable weather, we might want to consider extending the time limit for the race so that we have a better chance of getting the full distance in. We won't have to worry about this until Le Mans, so we've got time to consider it. I'm not saying we should do it. It's just something to think about.
F1WORLDCHAMPION
(Banned)
- 371
- Adelaide
- F1WORLDCHAMPION
Long races with 100% wet track aren't much fun unless you go into them knowing that it will be a full-on "Wet Race". I was led to believe that there would be "changeable weather with a chance of rain".
Because the R8 was such a dog on the straights in all the previous sessions and I was about 4 to 5 seconds slower than everyone else, I resorted to running less and less wing each time I tried to pick up time. Adding 30 HP as suggested (443 - 473HP) only delivered about 3mph faster top end. With reduced downforce, the R8 was completely undriveable at anything over 20% wet track. I couldn't complete a lap without spinning at least 5 or 6 times. And by undriveable, I mean .....
1) At a couple slow corners, the car would do a slow spin no matter what gear, RPM or approach I took. It spun around slowly on every lap at the same two corners (even below 30 mph).
2) Every time I downshifted, the rears would lock and induce spinning. This occurred everywhere and in every gear. This really made the car impossible to drive.
3) There were times when the car just had a mind of it's own and it went where it wanted to no matter what inputs I proposed.
4) There were times when the car would get loose and try to spin going down the long straight at 100 mph with TC at 10. This was about as fast as the car would go with the TC cranked up in these conditions.
5) The car behaved the exact same way regardless of what tires were on. They all felt like slicks on a flooded track !
I've raced a couple 4 hour races at the Ring with full rain at 100% and didn't mind it at all. The GTR TC was easily adaptable to the conditions whereas the R8 was a complete brat !
Bottom line is that I had to wait out the rain in the pits and then get back in when the track started drying. The race was absolutely NO FUN like this and a complete waste of time. I was so much looking forward to this race, thinking that there would be strategy involved choosing tires to match the changing conditions but the settings were way off in my opinion. I wish there was someone out there who truly understands the settings for weather (I know I don't)
Please give the excrement du jour R8 to someone else now as I will not be participating in the next two races. We're off on our annual road trip next week and won't be back for over a month
That's really surprising because I have driven the R8 many times in the wet with only abs and it has been fantastic to drive. I think it really depends on the setup. I recommend putting the brake bias towards the front to reduce oversteer while braking.
