WEC S2, R9, Nurburgring GP/F Finale!

[Chozza_32]

What is this "traction control" of which you speak? it sounds boring.

 

[Furinkazen]

I flicked TCS off for low gear corners and back on to cut wheelspin when it got to third gear. Noticed the 908 was very lairy, I think Seth was overdriving. A case off early brake, early turn in, and gently feather throttle for me.

Still annoyed I was last running prototype but to lead 50mins and be in with a shot for 90 in a way off pace car on my debut, I should be happy I suppose ;-)

 

[GTPL_Plotnik]

Thanks for good racing last nigt, so I must resign from next races, because I will starts in the ADR WEC, this races will be in the same date of Your events and series season is just beginning, so I have a better chance of haul of anything at the end of.

Or If I does not qualify to some race I will starts with You.

Thank You and see You in the future!

 

[ANFD]

That's really surprising because I have driven the R8 many times in the wet with only abs and it has been fantastic to drive. I think it really depends on the setup. I recommend putting the brake bias towards the front to reduce oversteer while braking.

Yes ... brake bias is usually set forward by at least a factor of 1 or 2. Braking was not really an issue for me and also, I guess you may have misunderstood what I was saying .... I too have driven the R8 in the rain with no difficulties .... HOWEVER .... I was using maximum down force at the time. If I cranked the DF up, the already slow R8 would go even slower. The only reason I didn't use max DF is because I thought there would be intermittent rain to a much lesser degree. It was the heavy rain that I was unprepared for. I'm pretty sure if you run very little DF on the R8, go to Spa in 100% wet, you too will have difficulty. I say this because I am pretty confident in my abilities, relatively speaking. I usually rank in the top 1400 in all the Seasonal time trials for example, (eg: the recent Corvette ZR1 @ Indy Road Course TT currently has ranked me at 787 so I think I have at least average skills)

 

[freshseth83]

I flicked TCS off for low gear corners and back on to cut wheelspin when it got to third gear. Noticed the 908 was very lairy, I think Seth was overdriving. A case off early brake, early turn in, and gently feather throttle for me.

Still annoyed I was last running prototype but to lead 50mins and be in with a shot for 90 in a way off pace car on my debut, I should be happy I suppose ;-)

Not over driving, 900+lb ft of torque with my 3 year old DS3 in the wet is what I would call it. Your car isn't off pace, it just isn't the fastest on the straight. The R8 isn't the fastest either, but it corners good.

 

[Furinkazen]

Not over driving, 900+lb ft of torque with my 3 year old DS3 in the wet is what I would call it. Your car isn't off pace, it just isn't the fastest on the straight. The R8 isn't the fastest either, but it corners good.

Be surprised of it was totally smooth, that 908 is a torque monster

Good battle on track Seth though 👍

 

[freshseth83]

I think trying turbo stage 3 would give you great top speed compared to the one you have now.

 

[Furinkazen]

I think trying turbo stage 3 would give you great top speed compared to the one you have now.

I tested it actually prior and it made 0.4 difference at the same HP. I reckon the amount of D/F I was running probably didn't help in dry, very much a wet setting perhaps on reflection.

 

[TDZdave]

Just an observation .... the description of what aides can or cannot be used has never been posted. A PM to Dave asking for clarification was never answered so I just figured I'd go by whatever rooms settings were. The fact is however, that these settings have been different for every race and every practice session so far. Whoever set up the room just set them where they wanted apparently. (TC has been turned off in a couple sessions for example). Active steering had been allowed for the first two races for instance. Post #722 and post #724 contain conflicting information as an example.

My point here is that this should have been indicated in the OP and should be a constant for every practice session and race. Also I should add that during practice sessions, jonnyb suggested I bump up the HP on the R8 a couple times but this isn't reflected in the OP either so I'm not sure what setting I should use.

For what it's worth, I have practiced quite a bit and have only cracked the 2:20 mark once at 2:19.995 while all other laps have been 2:20's and above (and that was at 483HP as jonnyb suggested in a PM to me).

From my perspective, I would like to see "Heavy Damage" and lots of rain

clarity, due to the work load of running 2 classes of car with 8 different cars I have tried to spread the work load evenly, The OP updating spec's was my idea for me before we brought John into stewarding, Jonnyb1990 is the lead steward of GTE, 90% of what he says regarding GTE cars is go, The rest is discussed between myself, Memto89 and Jonnyb1990, (usually regarding incidents,) This also goes for Memto89 as the LMP steward, They usually relay any changes to me to make on the OP, but that's around 97 posts behind in a facebook chat log, so I see it, then forget it, then ask for it again, then get ignored, then ask again, then they forget......etc,

As for the room settings, They were meant to be somewhat open at the start of the season, then we would take some out as people adjusted to cars, But as I was not aware of this we will discuss what will be allowed as maximum figures so that every room is set the same,

Can I be a resurve for the rest of the season?

Sure can,

Race report:

Terrible Quali, saw the rain and decided to go on intermediates for the start. This meant as people pitted, my disadvantage picking my way through GT (and a Les Combes GT pile up) was negated and I led by around 8-13 seconds. Had about 3 small spins in that time, but that Pescarolo was beautiful to drive.

Then came up on Seth vs Lout vs Me in hour 2, was good fun, apologies Lout for our scrape. Ended up falling off pace as track dried. Dave, it needs a power boost. 2:07's are the limit for this car. Anything diesel / turbo just rips me on a straight so bad its not funny. And @ Johnny, sorry for our crash, fatigue and pushing hard led to that. But I did get 14 laps I think out of tyres on last stint.

Providing specs get tweaked, I will be back at Fuji with this car, stuck to the ground like rails, tyres only gave way at 10%. Shame people were scared off and rage quit, but at same time dissapointed at 5th, when a podium was always in my grasp.

My biggest issue was that I let my missus play it the night before, with heavy aides, then forgot to take them off, some things you aren't allowed to drive around with them in the rain, once I worked that out and removed them I was up to 4 seconds a lap faster the leader at some points,

Long races with 100% wet track aren't much fun unless you go into them knowing that it will be a full-on "Wet Race". I was led to believe that there would be "changeable weather with a chance of rain".

Because the R8 was such a dog on the straights in all the previous sessions and I was about 4 to 5 seconds slower than everyone else, I resorted to running less and less wing each time I tried to pick up time. Adding 30 HP as suggested (443 - 473HP) only delivered about 3mph faster top end. With reduced downforce, the R8 was completely undriveable at anything over 20% wet track. I couldn't complete a lap without spinning at least 5 or 6 times. And by undriveable, I mean .....

1) At a couple slow corners, the car would do a slow spin no matter what gear, RPM or approach I took. It spun around slowly on every lap at the same two corners (even below 30 mph).
2) Every time I downshifted, the rears would lock and induce spinning. This occurred everywhere and in every gear. This really made the car impossible to drive.
3) There were times when the car just had a mind of it's own and it went where it wanted to no matter what inputs I proposed.
4) There were times when the car would get loose and try to spin going down the long straight at 100 mph with TC at 10. This was about as fast as the car would go with the TC cranked up in these conditions.
5) The car behaved the exact same way regardless of what tires were on. They all felt like slicks on a flooded track !

I've raced a couple 4 hour races at the Ring with full rain at 100% and didn't mind it at all. The GTR TC was easily adaptable to the conditions whereas the R8 was a complete brat !

Bottom line is that I had to wait out the rain in the pits and then get back in when the track started drying. The race was absolutely NO FUN like this and a complete waste of time. I was so much looking forward to this race, thinking that there would be strategy involved choosing tires to match the changing conditions but the settings were way off in my opinion. I wish there was someone out there who truly understands the settings for weather (I know I don't)

Please give the excrement du jour R8 to someone else now as I will not be participating in the next two races. We're off on our annual road trip next week and won't be back for over a month

Well..... you may not have survived the Nurb 24 in February, 18 hours of non stop RAIN!!!! It still haints my night mares!!! and probably Scott's too,

That was chaotic in the rain. I almost found myself laughing at how many times TDZDave spun in the wet. I never expected to finish ahead of a prototype. And yet, that's exactly what happened.
Also, just a suggestion, for track that have changeable weather, we might want to consider extending the time limit for the race so that we have a better chance of getting the full distance in. We won't have to worry about this until Le Mans, so we've got time to consider it. I'm not saying we should do it. It's just something to think about.

Um....... Which time? i also believed you lapped me before nature called,

I tested it actually prior and it made 0.4 difference at the same HP. I reckon the amount of D/F I was running probably didn't help in dry, very much a wet setting perhaps on reflection.

3 weeks until Fuji, we shall try a variety of things,

 

[freshseth83]

I tested it actually prior and it made 0.4 difference at the same HP. I reckon the amount of D/F I was running probably didn't help in dry, very much a wet setting perhaps on reflection.

Thats almost a half second. I ran 57/80 downforce and my top speed without draft was 309kmh braking as late as possible before turn 5. Try your car with turbo stage 3 and see the difference between speeds before turn 5.

 

[Furinkazen]

Thats almost a half second. I ran 57/80 downforce and my top speed without draft was 309kmh braking as late as possible before turn 5. Try your car with turbo stage 3 and see the difference between speeds before turn 5.

Like I said, it did. Not much. Only 80 D/F?

 

[freshseth83]

The rear needed to be a little loose for me. I never run max rear downforce. Gives good turn in.

 

[Furinkazen]

The rear needed to be a little loose for me. I never run max rear downforce. Gives good turn in.

Hmm. 60/105 here, kept her glued to the ground in the wet though, had fun sliding through Pouhon.

 

[freshseth83]

Hmm. 60/105 here, kept her glued to the ground in the wet though, had fun sliding through Pouhon.

Thats your top speed right there! That 'extra' rear wing gives you lots of downforce, but I usually run 90-95 with the extra wing cars.

 

[Furinkazen]

Downforce on GT5 usually out weighs anything else. Low downforce at Le Mans is still slower than higher due to the loss of cornering grip. Also Seth, your 908 is way too quick.

 

[freshseth83]

Memto was faster than me. My best was 2:02.7 in the final laps after my last stop. I'm sure it was him who set the 2:02.1xx for fast lap. I was consistent with the times though. I think the Pescarolo is just as fast, just needs time to get comfortable with it.

 

[freshseth83]

Just tried out the C60 at Spa and did a 2:04.6 with 58/90 downforce. That was with some quick setup. The braking is phenominal compared to my 908. I tried 8/8/7 lsd. Toe angles .00/-.20 f/r. Top speed was 303kmh. No turbo though. If I shortened the gears I think it would be in the low 2:04s, if I had a turbo maybe high 2:03s like the 908 was for me.

 

[Peelster1]

2.4 hours is actually 2 hours 24 minutes. So is it 2 hours and 24 minutes or 2 hours and 4 minutes?

 

[freshseth83]

2.4 hours is actually 2 hours 24 minutes. So is it 2 hours and 24 minutes or 2 hours and 4 minutes?

Race is over 👍 but it was 2:40 not 2:24.

 

[Osr20_L]

I have several questions for the WEC stewards
1-Drivers must use a different car for each Rounds?
2-Can a driver move to another class, GTE to LMP and vice-versa?

 

[memto89]

I have several questions for the WEC stewards
1-Drivers must use a different car for each Rounds?
2-Can a driver move to another class, GTE to LMP and vice-versa?

We want people to stay in the class they signed up to as people have different driving styles and with the close racing that happens, if people keep switching cars then you lose the understanding of what the other driver is going to do, also LMP is full now and also includes reserve drivers.

 

[TDZdave]

2.4 hours is actually 2 hours 24 minutes. So is it 2 hours and 24 minutes or 2 hours and 4 minutes?

it comes down to how you divide portions of the hour, I keep things simple, so if you divide the hour by minutes of ten, making the ratio .6 so every ten minutes is the divided portion, so 2.4 is 2 hours 40 minutes,

(The key reason for me doing this is this used to be the heavy vehicle work diary input, until they changed it and divided each hour by 4, so a ratio is 15 minutes)

 

[TDZdave]

OP is udated with penalties and changes, The decisions on penalties are final, please do not bring the thread into disrepute over them, anyone who does will instantly be removed from the series,you do have the right to question them, but please do it via PM,

As for car regulations, All GTE cars are currently spec'd, no more changes will occur,

LMP, some cars are subject to change, due to them not being used by people earlier in the season,

 

[Furinkazen]

OP is udated with penalties and changes, The decisions on penalties are final, please do not bring the thread into disrepute over them, anyone who does will instantly be removed from the series,you do have the right to question them, but please do it via PM,

As for car regulations, All GTE cars are currently spec'd, no more changes will occur,

LMP, some cars are subject to change, due to them not being used by people earlier in the season,

Who is "Fruinkazen"

Also, I expected the Johnny incident to be picked up. Totally my fault, 100% understand.

 

[TDZdave]

Honesty helps, you raised the issue prior,

 

[Furinkazen]

Yep, was seriously getting sleepy the last half hour, and then was like braking and "oh sh......"...

 

[TDZdave]

Hahahahaha,

 

[memto89]

welcome to the world endurance championship,
positions always availble
round 4, fuji gt, june 1st​

how things work

room will open between 8:30pm gmt and 9pm gmt saturday evening, the room will be hosted by either myself tdzdave or memto89,

lmp and gte multiclass event, 8 cars per class, races would last around an hour and 15 minutes too an hour 30 minutes, with 2 endurance races, lasting around 2 hours 30 minutes,

room settings, after some issues with the changing dynamics of the room settings they will now be,
abs 1, (maximum)
tcs 3, (maximum)
driving line allowed,

these are not the mandatory regulations, these are the maximum regulations allowed,

qualifying, will be a 15 minute session followed by the race countdown timer for all circuits, except spa francorchamps and le mans, in which will have a 20 minute qualifying followed by a 5 minute break for you to sort your food, fluid and bathroom commitments for an endurance event,
also, the field will not be cleansed after qualifying, so if you are in an lmp car and have a horible run you cannot expect to be bumped up to the back of the lmp field, you will start where your qualifying time dictates,

laps will be worked out to around the 1 hour 10 minute mark according to the lmp pole time, for spa francorchamps and le mans the laps will be sorted to the lmp pole time to the value of 2 hours 30 minutes,

tires
soft tires only, apart from intermediates and wets where required,

the races, all races will have 1 full pace lap,
changes to start procedure,
i am making changes to the starting procedure as of the replay's i have viewed on my profile and of youtube of rolling start event's that being on the front row is almost a hinderance so the following procedure will be used from monza thoughout the season,
+) cars will roll at pace speed around the circuit as usual, (changes)
+) the leaders will slow pace to bunch the field up prior to the final turn of the warm up lap,
+) once the field is bunched the leaders will proceed through the final turn onto the front straight,
+) when the 2 lead cars are on the painted grid lines it is up to the pole winner to start the race, they can start the race from any point on the painted grid lines to the start line,
+) if they cross the start line and haven't gone then the race is green, their loss,

i'n summary, the pole winner dictactes the pace lap, at pace speed, they have to ensure the field is bunched up, (near as makes no difference as some drivers will tail back to ensure their own safety in turn 1, once the leader gets to the painted grid slots its their choice to go, if they get to the start line and haven't gone then the race will also go green,
(bare in mind that these may change race to race, so suit the track we are racing on, these will be released in the driver's briefing one week out from the event,)

overtaking and lapping,[/b] be patient, overtaking points will come, you will never win the race on lap 1,
lapping, gte cars will be expected to maintain their line, it is up to their discretion to get out of an lmp cars way, "removing" them from the circuit will result in a penalty,

this is a championship, points will only be awarded for top 5 only in each class, bonus points maybe awarded for, class pole position, class fastest lap, and class most laps led, and leading a lap at the start line,
points are in this order
1st) 5
2nd) 4
3rd) 3
4th) 2
5th) 1
1 point for pole and 1 for fastest lap of the race (each category)
double points will be awarded for the two endurance races, you must complete 90% to claim any points,



penalties will be dealt with accordingly per class steward, i tdzdave am the head steward, memto89 is the lmp steward and johnnyb is the gte steward,
2) if an lmp causes a gte car to spin or crash while lapping them, the lmp driver will either wait and allow the gte driver to retake their position and get up to race speed before retaking them, or have the time lost for the gte car +2 seconds added to the final result time,
if you are not sure if you have recieved a penalty or warning from an event, they will be published at the bottom of the op, they will be published by monday evening after the race, if we have yet to come to a decision it will be published as tbd,
corner cutting two wheels must remain on the black stuff at all times, (or kerbing) if it is deemed by us that you have been cutting corners you will be served a penalty pending how much it cut or how many times,
also, do not arrive in a "hybrid" or "hacked" vehicle, you will be removed on the spot! no exceptions!


the cars and drivers, there will only be one of each car,
these are always subject to change
in the event of a new driver/ 1 off appearance driver they may participate in any car not being used for that event,
all full time drivers will use the car they sign up in, unless they wish to drop back to gte or elevate up to lmp,
part time driver's are expected to use the vehicles they sign up for,
any reserve drivers willing to participate on short notice must have access to most cars listed,
vehicle rules, no additional turbo's or super chargers, anyone caught using a hacked/ hybrid car will be promtly removed! do not test my patient on this!


the rounds

1) deep forrest, (completed)
2) monza, (completed)
3) spa francorchamps, (completed)
4) fuji gt, (june 1st)
5) cape ring south, (june 15th)
6) nurburgring 24hr, (june 29th)
7) le mans 2009, (july 13th)
8) suzuka (july 27th)
9) laguna seca, august 11th)


any questions or queries just ask,

drivers points


lmp
freshseth83 - 5
memto89 - 4 + 2 pole + fastest lap -10 secs
long-haired-lout - 3
jonnyb1990 - 2
fruinkazen - 1
tdz-4-12-14-88 - 0

lmp 70% cut off lap 44

gte
chozza_32 - 5 + 2 pole + fastest lap
oalithgow - 4
gtpl_plotnik - 3

gte 70% cut off lap 42
anfd lap 37

braunracing88 disqualified black flag 6 major offences

overall, the points
lmp
memto89 - 14
pluxtheduck - 10
jonnyb1990 - 7
long-haired-lout - 7
gprilli - 5
freshseth83 - 5
t-n-t-2000 - 1
tdzdave - 0

gte
chozza_32 - 15
jonnyb1990 - 6
anfd - 5
oalithgow - 4
gtpl_plotnik - 3
i-was-ere - 4
freshseth83 - 4
dolphindimond - 3
knukken - 0
braunracing - 0
michorexo - 0
t-n-t-2000 - 0

overall points
chozza_32 (2 win)- 15
memto89 - 14
jonnyb1990 (1 win)- 13
pluxtheduck(1 win) - 10
freshseth83 (1 win) - 9
long-haired-lout - 7
gprilli (1 win)- 5
anfd - 5
i-was-ere - 4
oalithgow - 4
gtpl_plotnik - 3
dolphindimond - 3
t-n-t-2000 - 1
fruinkazen - 1
tdz-4-12-14-88 - 0
knukken - 0
braunracing - 0
michorexo - 0


lmp (subject to change)
furikazen/pescarolo hybride/562hp/900kg
jonnyb1990/ pescarolo gv5/ 542hp/ 930kg
tdzdave/ audi r8 '01/ 532hp/ 930kg
freshseth83/ 908 total/ 532hp/ 940kg
gippone/ v12 lmr/ 542hp/ 940kg
memto89/ 908 oreca/ 532hp/ 950kg
long-haired-lout/ ts020/ 542hp/ 950kg
pluxtheduck/ speed 8/ 532hp/ 960kg

gte
oalithgow/ m3 gtr/ 473hp/ 1250kg
larrylackapants/ corvette zr1/ 463hp/ 1250kg
braunracing88/ nomad diablo/ 453hp/ 1270kg
knukken/ zonda lm/ 453hp/ 1280kg
richyboy2mil/ zonda lm/ 453hp/ 1280kg
anfd/ r8 lms/ 483hp/ 1300kg
i-was-ere/ fairlady z lm/ 473hp/ 1300kg
chozza32/ ford gt spec ii/ 433hp/ 1300kg

viper gtsr/ 453hp/ 1300kg

driver/lap/type/victim

memto89 - lap 1 - avoidable contact - gprilli - 10 sec
braunracing88 - lap 1 - avoidable contact i-was-ere/anfd
braunracing88 - lap 2 - avoidable contact - anfd
braunracing88 - lap 3 - avoidable contact - i-was-ere
jonnyb1990 - lap 3 - avoidable contact - furi
pluxtheduck - lap 4 - avoidable contact (yielded) - gprilli
long-haired-lout - lap 10 - multiple defensive moves - seth
long-haired-lout - lap 10 - avoidable contact (yielded) - seth
braunracing88 - lap 11 - active block on car lapping
braunracing88 - lap 35 - avoidable contact/not respecting blue flags - oalithgow
oalithgow - lap 38 - white line
braunracing88 - lap54 - avoidable contact/not respecting blue flags - oalithgow
furi - lap 54 - avoidable contact - jonnyb1990

everyone please read!!!

 

[gippone]

I like the new regs for Fuji, I'll be there 👍 I'm sorry I disconnected from Spa but I was really losing concentration

 

[R0ssingt0n]

Well that was a great race! (yes I know this is late but I havent really had a chance to get on GTP) It's a shame it was wet for so long, was looking forward to some close racing with the whole field! Had a great battle with Seth and Furi for the majority of it though.

Furi don't worry about the coming together we had, we were probably both at fault there! Was good to have a proper close battle like that!

Sorry to anyone I may have made contact with, I'm pretty sure I gave any places back that were taken unfairly. This also goes to cars I was lapping, so I'm sorry if any contact happened.