Week 101: RCNG-101 Beginner's Racing

[Small_Fryz]

im not by any means a fast racer here but im getting 209/210kph (130/131mph) or so across the finish line.

 

[inferno]

I'm running ASM and TCS off with the automatic transmission.

T1: 35.973
T2: 1'02.554

With lots of time to come off everywhere. I'm expecting T1s of mid 35s and T2s of low 1'02s to high 1'01s by the end of the week. Now lets hope I can deliver.

 

[eggmann]

I'm not "really fast" either, but I'll try to help anyway.
Always "racing" setup, ASM I've only used in about 2 races in the past year (such as a SIM tire race). TCS, I switch back and forth until it's clear which will work better for me in each race, but usually 'TCS off' ends up being faster (but also more work).
I've been crossing the line between 127-130 mph.

 

[bbq0801]

Wizard,

Im seeing 128-130 at the finish line too, I dont think you can exit the last corner at much better than 85mph anyway. (unless im doing it wrong.)

The second corner after the tunnel is really one of the most difficult areas on ssr5 since it determines how fast you are going to get up that hill and the long "s" section after it.

Personally, I use "racing mode" and no aids.

-bbq

 

[Small_Fryz]

bbq how do you tackle the the 2nd corner after the tunnel, with T1's in the low 35's im interested in how you do it

 

[TheWizard]

im not by any means a fast racer here but im getting 209/210kph (130/131mph) or so across the finish line.

And this is coming from who made the fastest lap in the hardest track of the game!
You are fast AND modest 👍

Well, thank you all for the feedback. I'll just have to work harder, that's all. Like everybody here seems to agree, the 2nd gear turns are what makes the difference between a good lap and a bad one Fortunately there is only 3 or 4 of them (can't be bothered to run another lap just to check, and I haven't run enough laps to remember the track that well, yet) So it shouldn't take by any means the same amount of time the Complex String II took to be mastered. Which, in turn, will have the drawback (for me, of course) that everybody here will kick my @ss 👍

Well, back to work.

The Wizard.

 

[bbq0801]

bbq how do you tackle the the 2nd corner after the tunnel, with T1's in the low 35's im interested in how you do it

1st corner after the tunnel im taking in 4th gear to reduce understeer, enter @94 mph, exit @92.

2nd corner after the tunnel enter @63mph in3rd gear nail it, hit the rumble strips at the top of the hill at 70mph. There is alittle slide you have to do to get into this corner right, its not something you that is so obvious that you can "try" to do it, but once you do you can get a piece of the inside rumble strip and erase some of the understeer so you can actually get through at that speed. I hit the wall a LOT of times before I finally got lucky.

-bbq

 

[TheWizard]

I definitely agree with bbq0801 about the second corner after the tunnel. I know that coming from a mere "2nd divisioner" like myself, you all probably won't care much about my opinion... but if you manage to put your left front tire on the inner rumble strip you are going to kick @zz throughout that whole uphill section. I know this because once I managed to do that turn right, I went from a T1 of 36'601 to a 36'2xx, while doing the rest of the track up to that point pretty much the same way (in other words, the improvement was only due to that second corner). I am also getting better at the last "S" section, before the last right turn.

I have another question for you all fast drivers
Why is that you do all those turns in 3rd gear instead of 2nd? Don't the RPM's drop way below the power band that way? (I am getting about 5000 - 5500 RPM's at the end of the last "S" with a speed of about 60 mph) Is the acceleration that you would gain from going back into 2nd gear not worth the time/speed loss that comes from a downshift + upshift? I need some of your pro driver's tips 👍

The Wizard.

 

[Small_Fryz]

ah brilliant thanks bbq, i was doin the same however i was flat in 2nd, this corner reminds me of the the 2nd corner after T2 at trial mountain. Its all about nailing the rumble strip.

Wizard i was fastest because drivers such as kent, hugo boss and olderbrother decided not to run F1's, this week we will see where i truely fit.

Thanks for all the tips guys, and on closer inspection im running 208 - 209 kph or 130mph across finish line

Wizard my answer to your question is because the time loss between shifting and also a speed loss, when done correctly (as bbq stated) youd only need 2nd for a second or so which isnt long enough to recover the time spent shifting, I think the same is for the 2nd last corner on the track as well.

 

[bbq0801]

I have another question for you all fast drivers
Why is that you do all those turns in 3rd gear instead of 2nd? Don't the RPM's drop way below the power band that way? (I am getting about 5000 - 5500 RPM's at the end of the last "S" with a speed of about 60 mph) Is the acceleration that you would gain from going back into 2nd gear not worth the time/speed loss that comes from a downshift + upshift? I need some of your pro driver's tips 👍

The Wizard.

Since Ive only completed one race, I dunno if I actually qualify as a fast driver, but this is the reason I use third instead of second in the last corner of the last set of esses; When you downshift into second and keep the throttle nailed, if you are already in an understeering condition I find that your car will understeer much worse than it had been before because you are in the "powerband", as you mentioned earlier, the extra power thats available will upset the balance of the car causing the front tires to slip.

Also, when I was looking back at my replay earlier so I could tell small_friys I noticed that I am exiting that corner at 63 mph, which, I think is near redline in second gear anyway, so the time you would lose shifing between second and 3rd isnt really worth it.

Really, though 2nd gear may be even faster for that corner if you can get the car to slide just alittle over the rumble strip, I havent yet, but its my next target.

EDIT: Small_Frys Sorry for repeating what you said..

 

[bbq0801]

Small_frys,

Were you able to get a better time through the T1 sector doing it that way?

-bbq

 

[Small_Fryz]

i found that staying in 3rd gets you a better time through t1 however its very difficuilt to execute, shifting to 2nd is a few tenths slower but way more easier to nail.

 

[TheWizard]

Well, guys, I figured that had to be the reason. But I can't take the second corner after the tunnel in 3rd gear... no matter how hard I try. Also, I have noticed, being the newbie that I am in online competitions, I can not get consistancy in the various sections... (even if I can get consistancy in my lap time: for example 3'3x.yyy, where x is always the same, while yyy might vary). If I do one section good, then I get nervous/excited and I end up messing everything up (well, not everything as in everything, but a lot) in the next section... Or if I do the first section really bad, then I feel like I have nothing else to lose and I drive more calm which actually turns in better section times...

See for yourself:

Best T1 so far: 0'36.2xx, T2 not available, but I remember it was pretty bad
And then I did this:

T1: 0'37.243
T2: 1'03.638 (my best T2 so far, after being a second slower in my best T1)??

Now that means that I did the section between T1 and T2 in 26.395 (which is pretty good, I think?)

Take bbq0801's times as an example:
T1: 0'35.333
T2: 1'01.269
His time difference between T2 and T1 is 25.936, which is pretty close (only about 0.4 seconds faster) to mine. That means that if I could get a good T1 and T2 together, I could get times comparable to yours, professional drivers

Grrr
j/k

The Wizard.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Wizard that is my problem too, though i dont seem to be ablt to run consistent T1 times, the rest of the track however i can run consistenlty. Its that darn 2nd corner after the tunnel that screws me up.

My time from T1 to T2 is 26.0xx which is a hair behind bbq so if i can better my T1 I should be able to hang with the top drivers 👍

 

[TheWizard]

Yeah, same here... I got to the point where, if I am relaxed and not pushing it too hard and my hands are stable and not shaking, I can do pretty good T2 times (consistant, at least). All I have to work on now is, like you said, the second corner after the tunnel, and the last "S"... Sometimes I can do it pretty well, and exit the "S" / enter the last turn at 64 - 65 mph... MOST of the times, however, I end up stamping the poor white Mazda on the leftmost wall after the last right turn of the "S"

I'll be surprised if, by the end of the week, that wall doesn't turn white itself

Now I think TheWizard is going to bed, as it is 1 AM in the morning here, and he has 8 AM class tomorrow

EDIT: Notice the redundancy of information there ^ "1 AM in the morning" Yeah, I am really tired... [me going to sleep now]

L8r.
The Wizard.

 

[Small_Fryz]

update in times

T1: 35.594
T2: 1:02.021

Beat my last time by .2,

if i could of matched my T1 - T2 i would of beat my time by another .5

Oh well, in time i will perfect a lap,

BTW i used bbq0801 method for the 2nd corner after the tunnel, 3rd gear hit rumple strip, plus a late turn in = very nice T1

 

[CalibreDan]

I've beaten my T1 of 0'36.411, but my T2 and overall laptime have slipped

I can't see what's going wrong with the logger either, taking the same lines, brakeing the same as the ghost yet it just boosts at one point

 

[BigJamesGTI]

Thought I'd make an appearance this week !!!

36.152
1.02.804

Just started this morning. Ive got another go tomorrow morning to try and improve.

 

[Z32]

Take bbq0801's times as an example:
T1: 0'35.333
T2: 1'01.269

thats insane

so far ive managed

T1 0'35.669
T2 1'01.973

hes like 1 sec above me. and with T3 still left...
oh yeah, this is my first try at wrs.
qualified a few months back but never did any

think ill get that logitech wheel thingy mahjigger now...
anybody using ds2 as well ?

(note: i think the newer revised ds2s lack sensitivity to a certain extent. take apart a new one and compare the internals with an old one. not sure if anybody knows what im talking about...)

 

[Consigliere]

Did a session yesterday on this combination and now as I read your posts I recognise the "trouble areas" you mention. But I also can't seem to stay consistant in the first corner, the tunnel. I found a good line and tried to repeat it but only succed perhaps 1 time out of 5.. Dissapointed. Second turn after the tunnel I also try to take in 3rd gear but I almost NEVER succeed in nailing the rumble strip..

Second last corner I used 2nd gear before but will try 3rd today.. I was quite happy with my times yesterday, being a complete noob, but I'll see if I can't get a little better T1!

Also, Wizard, I really know what you mean by your hands shaking!

Cheers!

EDIT: BTW, bbq0801, those times are impressive! 👍

 

[DQuaN]

Well. I'm gonna try to make a comeback in the series and compete more often. I have already PM'ed my time to Kent but I only did about 10 laps so we'll see how I stack up. Close to bottom as usual I imagine!

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Well this will be a tough one since it's a stock car so I think the times are going to be close.

👍


Cheers,

 

[Luxy]

Haven't had any time to get a run in yet It looks like fun though, a really nice combo

Anyway, the leaderboard is up to date 👍

 

[TheWizard]

...also can't seem to stay consistant in the first corner, the tunnel. I found a good line and tried to repeat it but only succed perhaps 1 time out of 5.. Dissapointed. Second turn after the tunnel I also try to take in 3rd gear but I almost NEVER succeed in nailing the rumble strip..

Same here I did the tunnel pretty good (or should I say not too bad) ONCE, and now it seems I can't ever keep up with that ghost in that point... I need to work on the tunnel entrance speed, and figure out where to start my line... Second turn after the tunnel... I have tried it in 3rd gear a couple of times... ended up with too much understeer in both occasions and stamped the Mazda on the right wall... So I can't even get close to the rumble strip I'll try again later, as everybody seems to have good T1 times with this method.
[Going to college now]

The Wizard.

 

[Persian Pride]

Can anyone give me an idea of lines?? breaking points?? etc for this race as I'm getting T1 36/37 and T2 1.06/1.07. Am I missing something???

 

[Consigliere]

Same here I did the tunnel pretty good (or should I say not too bad) ONCE, and now it seems I can't ever keep up with that ghost in that point... I need to work on the tunnel entrance speed, and figure out where to start my line... Second turn after the tunnel... I have tried it in 3rd gear a couple of times... ended up with too much understeer in both occasions and stamped the Mazda on the right wall... So I can't even get close to the rumble strip I'll try again later, as everybody seems to have good T1 times with this method.

I've just tried to find the line through that tunnel but am still experimenting. However the second corner after the tunnel I now know how to handle. It's a whole other issue though that I don't succeed very often.. The trick for me is to stay off the accellerator for a split second when entering the corner, to calm the car down a bit..

But still, as I can't get that first corner right, I'm still just occasionally seeing a T1 of 35.XXX (and even then mostly 35.9XX). Hmm.. Any tips for the tunnel anyone?

Havn't improved my times at all.. 👎

Oh well, have a week to practice!

Cheers!

 

[CalibreDan]

My tunnel line seems pretty inconsistent, I know the line I should be taking and I've only nailed it a couple of times, giving me a 35.6x T1 both times. When I don't nail it I'm getting around 36.1x's I'm having trouble with the second hairpin though, still trying to figure out a good line to use. How does this one look, it gave me a 35.651...

Click For Video

Can anyone give me an idea of lines?? breaking points?? etc for this race as I'm getting T1 36/37 and T2 1.06/1.07. Am I missing something???

A good tip is to use the replay mode in the logger, then change view to the top down view and play the sectors in slow motion. If you look and acknowledge the track enough you'll see the line you should be taking, you'll notice the track layout a lot more

 

[LoudMusic]

Haven't had any time to get a run in yet It looks like fun though, a really nice combo

Anyway, the leaderboard is up to date 👍

Wow ... second to last. And I felt really good about that run. Oh well, more practice.

 

[Consigliere]

Finally got back to running high 35's and low 1'02s again. No new records on those but obviously had a good last sector because i shaved off another .2 from my laptime. At least I'm making progress.. I think. 👍

Thanks CalibreDan as your video made my find a faster (but not yet perfect) line through the tunnel.. Getting much better at it and can fairly often find a T1 in the high '35s..

Cheers!

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Ran 4 laps;

T1:36.231
T2:1.03.684


Hell of a challenge


👍



Cheers,