Weep for This New Civic Type R, Destroyed Before it Even Got Home

I already said what the point was behind the artice.
I can confirm that the GTP news team does not really want to be Jalopnik. Any more than we want to be Buzzfeed (that one gets trotted out a lot), or CarThrottle, or anyone else that anyone wants to compare us to this week.

Wouldn't mind their traffic numbers and balance sheet though. But we want to be GTP.
 
I can confirm that the GTP news team does not really want to be Jalopnik. Any more than we want to be Buzzfeed (that one gets trotted out a lot), or CarThrottle, or anyone else that anyone wants to compare us to this week.

Wouldn't mind their traffic numbers and balance sheet though. But we want to be GTP.

And intent is judged by execution far more often than it is by word of god. Giving a bunch of straightforward news pieces cutesy hack titles to puff up interest isn't how you go about diffusing comparisons to other established outlets with a similarly established history of being mocked for doing the same thing; particularly when the news itself isn't of the hard hitting variety. I don't think many people would be surprised, after an article that actually said "Because V8" in the title (as another example), if we could expect an article expousing the benefits of wagons over crossovers or why one should always look to a Miata as an essential used car buy,

And since it seems to be a common theme no matter whose byline is on the story, it certainly suggests an editorial attempt at aping established automotive sites instead of authorial intent of doing their own thing.
 
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And since it seems to be a common theme no matter whose byline is on the story, it certainly suggests an editorial attempt at aping established automotive sites instead of authorial intent of doing their own thing.
I too would prefer original articles created specifically for this site and not stuff I've already seen on most major auto news sites.
 
Of course the crash happens on I-95, I always got irritated whenever I drove on that road. So many annoying, careless drivers looking at their phones rather than the road. That poor driver, I'm glad he's at least okay.
 
And since it seems to be a common theme no matter whose byline is on the story, it certainly suggests an editorial attempt at aping established automotive sites instead of authorial intent of doing their own thing.
I'm the Automotive Editor, I came up with both the titles you mention, and I refer you to my previous post.

And @SlipZtrEm's subsequent post.
 
I too would prefer original articles created specifically for this site and not stuff I've already seen on most major auto news sites.

We're working on it, but it's important to remember that we are volunteers and most of us have other jobs. Coming up with unique content takes significantly more time than writing an article based off a press release.
 
Fixed for you. 👍
And? I think there's a decent sample size of articles posted so far and the way they have been presented for many of them goes a decent way towards backing up what I have been saying since the dramatic refocusing of what was a consistently valuable news resource for this community. Much more so than the repeated "this isn't like Jalopnik, guys, seriously" assertions actually do. So I don't think you actually did fix it.



Nor do I think "well, we had to post something" is a very good defense either. If the GTP Newswire team has the ability to write the articles that are able to stand out from things like "Watch Doug DeMuro buy a Range Rover," and they do because I have seen them, then you are cutting them off at the knees by packaging everything neatly into "Generic Internet 'Automotive Culture' Website" that people on this forum might as well go to Jalopnik to see even if GTP Newswire actually does have some greater plan in store than Jalopnik clone. As the most jarring recent example, a detailed and extensively researched editorial about the triviality of Nurburgring records written by one of the most respected members of the site certainly is deflated a bit when sandwiched between (and even referenced within) 4 or 5 rewritten press releases about a new car setting a good Nurburgring laptime.


I'm the Automotive Editor, I came up with both the titles you mention, and I refer you to my previous post.

And @SlipZtrEm's subsequent post.
And I refer you back to intent frequently being subservient to execution.
 
Tornado, my 2¢ here:

As someone who spent some time on the Writing Staff, I can say I have seen very little difference between pre- and post-GTP15. If anything, the writing standards seem to be cranked a little higher than they used to be.

I think they appreciate you voicing your opinion, but this is just turning into a needless, dragged out argument.
 
And I refer you back to intent frequently being subservient to execution.
Okay then.

Whether it appears to you that we're 'trying to be Jalopnik' or not, we aren't.

You think we are, because it looks a bit like it (actually I've just read Jalopnik's version, and the headline there is "'Jackass Not Paying Attention' Crashes Into Man's New Honda Civic Type R Right After He Bought It"), and you're welcome to hold the opinion that there are similarities between our car culture section and sites like Jalopnik, CarThrottle, DriveTribe or SuperUnleaded if you wish. But I'm in charge of that section and I'm categorically telling you that we're not trying to be like them - and I've written for two of those four, so have a little inkling of the editorial direction and standards - and so is our EiC. This is the difference between your post stating that the title looks like that because we're trying really hard to be like Jalopnik and the alternative version that's amended with the words 'I think'.

Jalopnik and CarThrottle are very successful at what they do. It would be nice to be as successful, and maybe we will be, but we're still going to be GTP.

The number of articles went up for sure.
So did the site visitor stats.


I appreciate that not everyone wants to read the car stuff here. In fact, not everyone wanted to read anything but the GT stuff here either - the whining about "You're supposed to be GT Planet, not Forza Planet!" was ridiculous, but a distant memory now - but if we stuck with that, we'd have had one post every three days on average before E3 (leaning out the further back you go - five in February, four in January).

If you only come here to read about the games topics, bookmark this as your GTP homepage, rather than GTPlanet.net.
 
Are we going to see car reviews of the cars in GTS?

Written by frequenters of the drag and drift sections?
 
But I'm in charge of that section and I'm categorically telling you that we're not trying to be like them - and I've written for two of those four, so have a little inkling of the editorial direction and standards - and so is our EiC. This is the difference between your post stating that the title looks like that because we're trying really hard to be like Jalopnik and the alternative version that's amended with the words 'I think'.
And if it's all just a massive coincidence, then good for the GTP Newswire team. I can only hope that more focus is achieved to the actual goal so it stops looking so blatant to the extent that actual news articles and written pieces by the writing staff stop being buried and/or undermined by the need to just post whatever press release an auto manufacturer releases or human interest piece the other usual auto blogs already have so there is new content every day.

As it turns out, it's not actually required that anyone click on, read, or participate in a given thread. You can skip entire threads on this website if they bother you. It's a cool feature.
And as it also turns out, you can click on, read or partipate in a given thread for reasons other than "they bother you" as well.
 
And if it's all just a massive coincidence, then good for the GTP Newswire team. I can only hope that more focus is achieved to the actual goal so it stops looking so blatant to the extent that actual news articles and written pieces by the writing staff stop being buried and/or undermined by the need to just post whatever press release an auto manufacturer releases or human interest piece the other usual auto blogs already have so there is new content every day.

I write several of those articles and I can assure you that we do not just do a story on every press release or car culture interest topic. There's actually a thought out discussion about whether or not we should run something and whether it's worth our time.

And while you are certain free to read and participate in any thread on these forums, it does puzzle me a bit that you'd continue to read content that you think isn't worth it or that you feel you can get more out of on other sites. Seems like it'd just be easier and a better use of time to go to those sites and participate in the discussion there versus here.
 
I too would prefer original articles created specifically for this site and not stuff I've already seen on most major auto news sites.

It's not an either/or situation: we already have original articles, alongside the stuff that you may see elsewhere. Which is the same sort of setup you'll see at every website.

The purpose here is to have people stick around, because there's now more content hitting their interests than there was before. Some of it may not appeal to everyone — which was true before too, mind you — but that's how news works. As @Famine mentioned, some people were bothered by the expanded game coverage, too: in fact, some still complain on our FB page (seemingly under the impression we're the official GT outlet, no less :lol: ).

The number of articles went up for sure.

Which goes to show what I've said above.

And? I think there's a decent sample size of articles posted so far and the way they have been presented for many of them goes a decent way towards backing up what I have been saying since the dramatic refocusing of what was a consistently valuable news resource for this community. Much more so than the repeated "this isn't like Jalopnik, guys, seriously" assertions actually do. So I don't think you actually did fix it.

See, you're fixing it too. 👍

It's wonderful that you have your own opinion on what the reason behind our expansion is. There's a forest around the trees you're so focused on, though: this stuff hasn't replaced anything, it's in addition.

Nor do I think "well, we had to post something" is a very good defense either.

Which is probably for the best, since we haven't said as much.

If the GTP Newswire team has the ability to write the articles that are able to stand out from things like "Watch Doug DeMuro buy a Range Rover," and they do because I have seen them, then you are cutting them off at the knees by packaging everything neatly into "Generic Internet 'Automotive Culture' Website" that people on this forum might as well go to Jalopnik to see even if GTP Newswire actually does have some greater plan in store than Jalopnik clone.

As mentioned above, it isn't an either/or situation. The writers can (and do) write articles outside of this type of content — no knees have been harmed, I can assure you.

As the most jarring recent example, a detailed and extensively researched editorial about the triviality of Nurburgring records written by one of the most respected members of the site certainly is deflated a bit when sandwiched between (and even referenced within) 4 or 5 rewritten press releases about a new car setting a good Nurburgring laptime.

There's no reason those two types of articles can't co-exist. In one, we addressed the complete lack of a governing body about 'Ring times, and how, on the face of it, they really don't mean much in terms of comparison. Despite that, some people do appreciate the lap times, even in isolation, and even if manufacturers stretch the definition of "production" further and further. Horsepower and 0-60 times aren't any more valuable, but people want to know those, too.

To make a comparison to gaming coverage: we could talk about how the focus on realism has negatively impacted the racing genre (and in fact, intend to). We're still going to talk about X game's realistic features — because that's interesting to a good chunk of our readers.

I can only hope that more focus is achieved so it stops looking so blatant to the extent that actual news articles and written pieces by the writing staff stop being buried and/or undermined by the need to just post whatever press release an auto manufacturer releases at any given time.

I don't really know what the complaint is here. Press releases are also news — are you suggesting they don't get posted because they "bury" other content that you deem more appropriate? That sort of thing will happen no matter what: old articles are pushed down when new ones appear.

It should be readily apparent by a quick glance at the front page, but just in case: not every press release that arrives in our inbox gets talked about.

Are we going to see car reviews of the cars in GTS?

Written by frequenters of the drag and drift sections?

"DiS Toyata iz TITE, not 4 DRIFT N00BS" is our working title.
 
Are we going to see car reviews of the cars in GTS?
Yes. And I have plans for something similar, but even better.
Written by frequenters of the drag and drift sections?
We welcome applications from any potential writers, but we do have a sub-editing process to go through.
And if it's all just a massive coincidence, then good for the GTP Newswire team. I can only hope that more focus is achieved so it stops looking so blatant to the extent that actual news articles and written pieces by the writing staff stop being buried and/or undermined by the need to just post whatever press release an auto manufacturer releases at any given time.
Ultimately there are about three ways of writing car news, which are Jalopnik (entertainment > information), What Car? (information > entertainment) and somewhere in-between. And you can always spot when a site that specialises in one end of the scale tries something at the other end.

Entertainment gets more clicks (and clicks make income) than information - the site traffic for the CLK-GTR doubled that of the EU cartel investigation article (and try to find anyone who beat us to that; I'm only aware of Der Spiegel and Autocar so far) - so it's not unreasonable to expect that a site that is growing its automotive section is going to have more pieces at the Jalopnik end of the spectrum than the What Car? end. But we're striking our own path to make our own style. It's a long, long road ahead.
 
Entertainment gets more clicks (and clicks make income) than information - the site traffic for the CLK-GTR doubled that of the EU cartel investigation article (and try to find anyone who beat us to that; I'm only aware of Der Spiegel and Autocar so far) - so it's not unreasonable to expect that a site that is growing its automotive section is going to have more pieces at the Jalopnik end of the spectrum than the What Car? end. But we're striking our own path to make our own style. It's a long, long road ahead.

As long as you can find a decent path somewhere in between, I don't see why an article about a Prius V8 can't have a silly title. There are serious articles to balance it out. I hope this works out and GTP's real world car section becomes a respected name on the net.

Then I can say, let's say 10 years from now, that I was a member when it all started, and call myself a GTP Hipster.
 
The rear end of the new Civic R is absolutely hideous, though I am suddenly infatuated by what I've seen more on the roads now lately,

2 years left to go before I hand in my '14 civic sedan for this , sexy minimalist design:

I may add some vintage Atari logos someplace fitting.

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If I recall correctly the car was hit from behind at approximately 35mph. While that isn't necessarily slow, it isn't fast enough to cause damage that looks really significant.



Why? Because you don't like the ways Hondas look? Honda makes a pretty damn decent and reliable car, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
30 year old grown man (Unfortunately, still wishing to be a lost boy and never grow up). I strongly dislike most honda owners. Especially here in NZ. They get modified by so many people with out a clue and just look ridiculous.

And that typical Honda saying "VTEC just kicked in". LOL Vtec is nothing special. Exactly the same as MIVEC, VVT,. You dont see toyota drivers running arounds saying "OMG VVT just kicked in yo"

The NSX is all good in my opinion, but any accord, civic, integra, would be better doused in petrol and burnt in a pile. Even that would be a waste of petrol

Just my personal opinion.
 
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The NSX is all good in my opinion, but any accord, civic, integra, would be better doused in petrol and burnt in a pile. Even that would be a waste of petrol
My Accord Type R was gloriously silly.
 
Each to there own i guess. Just my personal opinion.
Every other Accord is as interesting as water soup made from gruel sieved through a beige muslin. The Type R is a daft, slidy, big-spoilered pile of hilarity made by bored British engineers and, allegedly, an F1 champion driver.
 
Every other Accord is as interesting as water soup made from gruel sieved through a beige muslin. The Type R is a daft, slidy, big-spoilered pile of hilarity made by bored British engineers and, allegedly, an F1 champion driver.
I did read that article. It is interesting that the British Honda engineers took it upon themselves to make the accord Type-R you previously owned and no more were made outside of England. I wish other stories like this would happen to other Japanese makes in different countries. I am positive other stuff like this has happened you just don't hear about it that much i guess.
 
And that typical Honda saying "VTEC just kicked in". LOL Vtec is nothing special. Exactly the same as MIVEC, VVT,. You dont see toyota drivers running arounds saying "OMG VVT just kicked in yo"

Does anyone actually say that outside the internet? I like to think I'm fairly in tune with the car world and I've met more modified Honda owners than I can probably count, not one of them has ever said that except in jest.

Now maybe if this was 2001 and The Fast and The Furious was in theatres I'd be inclined to agree that people say this frequently.
 
That's horrible and I really feel his pain, or well, I did feel his pain back in 2011 when someone did this to my 2011 Civic SI (dyno blue pearl, sedan) with less than 4k on the odo.

Feels bad man.
 
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