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Weep for This New Civic Type R, Destroyed Before it Even Got Home
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The ones that are young enough to just be getting into Hondas and modifying do talk about VTEC like it's something great. I've heard too many mentions of how they love "going out and hitting VTEC," or they'll talk about how they want to swap out their single cam for a twin-cam, so they "can hit that VTEC." Even mentioning VTEC, in my experience, is a quick sign that they're not too familiar with the mechanicals of a car but they want to talk about something. On my old 4th-gen Accord, after I swapped in the Prelude engine, I thought some OEM hints of the swap would be cool touches, so I got the '00 Civic Si quarter panel decals and the "SiR" trunk emblem from the Japanese-market 5th-gen Accord that had the same engine. I had a couple of kids ask me, "does it have VTEC?" "Yes, but what's important is that I gained 75hp+ from a mod was a straight bolt-in with some wiring and only cost me a couple grand and a weekend."
As a Honda die-hard... it kills me inside a little bit every time I even hear VTEC mentioned. I have great respect for it as a technology - I'll hear people that are clearly hating on Honda and making fun of VTEC, so I'll explain what it actually is (they never know what it is) and they suddenly change their attitude - but when I've been asked about my cars it never crosses my mind to mention that it has VTEC. It's such an insignificant part of the whole car.
As a Honda die-hard... it kills me inside a little bit every time I even hear VTEC mentioned. I have great respect for it as a technology - I'll hear people that are clearly hating on Honda and making fun of VTEC, so I'll explain what it actually is (they never know what it is) and they suddenly change their attitude - but when I've been asked about my cars it never crosses my mind to mention that it has VTEC. It's such an insignificant part of the whole car.
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I honestly believe that there are more GT-R fanboys out there than Honda fanboys. Just saying.
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Every manufacture has fans like that. Rather ironic that you have another forefront of fanboyism as your avatar, the R35 GT-R (or the GT-R nameplate in general). Do those deserve it too?
edit: lol tree'd
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People should shut up about it being a mass produced car, if your newly built house was set on fire how would you feel?
Houses are produced in volume and it is easily replaced.
The waiting list for the Type R is massive.
The type r will most likely will be written off, getting parts will be hard as the car just came out.
I would sue the other driver for damages regardless of what happens with the car.
Houses are produced in volume and it is easily replaced.
The waiting list for the Type R is massive.
The type r will most likely will be written off, getting parts will be hard as the car just came out.
I would sue the other driver for damages regardless of what happens with the car.
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That is infact an M35 Stagea with full R35 running gear and an R35 Front cut. Yes the GT-R fanboys are just as fanatic about the RB series of engines among other things. But then again has Honda ever dominated any motorsport series like Nissan has with the GT-R Badge.
Well said. VTEC, MIVEC etc are all great variants of variable valve timing.
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So, you're hating a car manufacture because of a bunch of stupid owners? I'm sorry, but if that's the case; that's a really silly reason to dislike a car make in my opinion.
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Well played but i think the gtr has a few more accolades to its name that just F1 wins.It's still mostly an R35.
Not sure, maybe ask these guys:
The GT-R's history of racetrack dominance began with its 50 victories scored from 1968 to 1972, including 49 consecutive wins in the Japanese race circuit.
It took 50 races from 50 starts from 1991 to 1997 (latterly R33) in the N1 Super Taikyu. The GT-R's success sounded the death knell of Group A Touring Car racing; with the formula being scrapped soon after. JTCC was similarly dominated by the R32 GT-R, and splintered soon after, leading to the switch to the Supertouring category and also indirectly to the GT500 category of today.
The GT-R's success in motor racing was formidable, particularly in the annual 1,000 km (1,000 miles) race at the Mount Panorama circuit in Bathurst, Australia, where the winner in 1991 and 1992was a GT-R (despite receiving additional 140 kg (309 lb) in weight penalties and a turbo pressure relief valve in 1992, and crashing). It took the overall win of the 1991 Spa 24 Hours, after getting the pole position and fastest lap time, ahead of the Porsche 911 and BMW M3 Evolution.[48] It remained dominant in the Japanese GT series for many years. The Skyline GT-R line was retired from the JGTC series (later changed Super GT Series) in 2004. Its successor, the Nissan GT-R, competed and dominated the 2008 Super GT season, winning the GT500.
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I see more poorly modified and riced out Skylines and Silvias in New Zealand than I do Civics. Does that mean all RWD Nissans should doused in petrol and burned?
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And?
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GTP... what's the point of posting completely non-newsworthy articles like this? I can understand actual key relevant stories pertaining to the auto industry, but what is effectively "1 man and his damaged Civic"? Seriously? Really?
On an on-topic note, I still maintain the new Civic looks like an Impreza that's been attacked with bolt cutters. Ugly as sin.
On an on-topic note, I still maintain the new Civic looks like an Impreza that's been attacked with bolt cutters. Ugly as sin.
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The only people that say that are ironically, Honda-haters, not fanboys....
Soooo basically.... the name is only great because of the R32 generation since it coined the nickname. Explain how that's any better than Honda's successful career in Formula 1 & is associated with one of the greatest F1 drivers in history?
The 2008 Series is also nothing to brag against Honda. A GT-R won 7 out of 9 races. The year prior, a NSX won 5 of 9. Before then, a Supra won 5 of 8. The GT500 class is only made up of around 3 manufacturers, so the chance of one dominating isn't unlikely. A GT-R did win the Driver's Championship, but in terms of Team Points (since you want to count all the model's wins collectively), the GT-R came 3rd.
1. Team Tom's SC430 - 1 2nd place finish, 3 3rd place finishes.
2. Team ZENT SC430 - 1 Win in 3 podiums; only SC430 win in the season
3. Team Nismo GT-R - Contributed 3 of the 7 GT-R wins
4. Team Impul GT-R - Contributed 2 of the GT-R wins
5. Team Dome NSX - Only NSX win.
Driver's points wasn't much different except the Nismo drivers took 1st. ZENT & Tom's SC430 drivers took 2nd & 3rd place rankings respectively, followed by Impul's in 4th & 5th. So, if anything to go by, the only manufacturer that seems to continuously win the SuperGT is Toyota/Lexus repeatedly.
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For me, the new GTPlanet front page is basically RaceDepartment (minus mods) + CarThrottle. What's next? Are we going to cover mods for AC/rF2? (I dunno if we already do this) Are we going to have "Top 10 Posts on GTP Last Week" feature?
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As for 'non-newsworthy', it looks like as well as Jalopnik, this was covered by Autoweek, Autoblog, TheDrive, Motor1 and CarBuzz. Couldn't find it on CarThrottle though. I think we all, including CT, also covered "1 man and his damaged Ferrari" earlier in the week (although we got there earlier than most because it happened on what used to be my commute to school). We put both in the Car Culture section rather than the Auto News section though.
Good idea. We do have a very active forum after all.
If you have any other ideas - or other notes about the editorial coverage - please post them in the Site Support forum, or message the editorial production team, as this really isn't the place for it.
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Point proven.
If all the news sites covered it, why bring it to the front page of a game forum? If people cared about this kind of news, they'd follow the established automotive journalists. I watch the front page for GT news, but having to sift through the garbage stories about people getting into everyday accidents, and coverage of the F1 race that I already watched, is getting ridiculous.
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If you just want GT news, @Famine showed how to do that:
And honestly, the writing is far from garbage. The team puts a ton of effort into finding good stories and putting our own unique GTP spin on them. If you really dislike it though, you're under no obligation to read them or even pay attention to them. You can probably ever ignore @GTPNewsWire and that way you won't see any of the articles while browsing the forums.
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As for those commenting on the changes the site has undergone, there should be no alarm. It's a natural progression for many sites. Many places begin as communities where the members are the focus and the 'customers' if you will. Eventually, with enough growth that community and those customers become the product, or commodity, instead; that is marketed and sold to the actual paying customers. It's just the way of things, and nothing to get in a twist over.
Regarding the notion that Honda is anything less than successful in many series, I would submit in addition to the prior contradictions the following;
http://www.sportscarmag-digital.com...search_term=by engine manufacturer&pg=23#pg23
The fact is that when dealing with production based racecars; nearly any 4-cyl multi-platform displacement limited class is dominated by Honda engines. Don't believe me? Wander into any relevant rules/classing discussion and take a read through.
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Except Joey already described press materials as an easier way to have something to post while you don't have time to write something actually unique.
On that topic, I'll comment on one last thing, because I'm pretty sure I understand where these supposed True GTP Newswire Goals and the qualms people seem to be having with the actual things GTP Newswire posts in comparison are coming from:
No, press releases are advertisements. They are put out by marketing departments of companies, with a decent chance of even being created by people who have no actual knowledge of the things contained therein. I wrote product reviews and played editor for a technology site for half a decade. I saw firsthand how often what press materials were given to you when you were writing something for a company had information in them that were only true if you had too little knowledge to actually be qualified to be writing about the topic to begin with.
Only with actual investigation applied to them do press releases become news; and when that effort isn't put forth (and, no, it hasn't been every time GTP Newswire needs some content to put up and rewrites a corporate press packet or covers some article another automotive site has already written; and certainly not nearly as much as the effort to defend every article tooth and nail has been) there is no reason to read them from a secondary source in the first place. I can get press releases about Ford automobiles from Ford themselves and not have to dance around trying to figure out what is in the article because of the title. And while it may be an "addition" to the more thoughtful things GTP used to almost exclusively post, it's shouldn't be terribly difficult to see why it is considered a "replacement" when the actual thoughtful articles are so quickly buried by whatever feature a company is showing for their next model year.
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You are entitled to your opinion, but as the actual writer of these articles, I can assure you that's not the case. We fact check stories, have to scout around for images that are able to be used in editorials and have to have involved discussions on the merit of original content. With a press release, it's simply using the source material and putting our own little spin on it. Plus the photos are already provided which cuts down significantly on time.
If you truly and honestly have an objection to the content we post or the reason why it's posted, I'd encourage you to start a thread in the Site Feedback thread.
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And since I'm not disparaging the effort that goes into the news (the actual news) that GTP Newswire posts (and have already commented highly on at least one such article in this thread) I think you'll find that lines up pretty well with what I was already saying.
But, notably:
That does as well. The criticism that seems to be common about GTP Newswire in the past few months is that it is frequently used as a dumping ground for content already covered in other locations, and occasionally done so better from wherever GTP Newswire is linking it. The more specific criticism I'm making, because I think it is the root cause behind the rest of the blowback, is that it is being used as a dumping ground for content that essentially amounts to free ad space for other sites or automotive companies; since little in the way of a critical lens seems to be applied when straight PR materials or Jalopnik articles are rewritten onto the main page and/or forum on GTP.
And that... is pretty much what you're saying is what goes into posting company press releases on GTP Newswire. Press releases, unless they are content for content's sake, should absolutely not have less research involved or fact checking than anything else. And I get why they are done because I've written them, but people on this site are smart enough that they seem to know the difference between what an automotive company says and what an automotive company actually does.
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Production of the KPGC10 started in 1969 and the GT-R was nicknamed 'Godzilla' in 1989 by an Australian magazine testing the R32.
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What started back in '68? The dominance of nearly 50 consecutive wins? Would you perhaps, care to share some stats of that record? Or let me.
For example, the first win for the car was on May 3 1969 where the car came 1-2 overall which was a worthy accomplishment. However, in some later races:
March 8 1970, the GT-R is claimed to have its 14th win; it won its class, but finished 4th overall behind a Porsche 910 & 906, and a Ford GT40.
April 5 1970, the GT-R gets its 17th win; it wins it class, but finishes 5th, again with the main victor being a Porsche 910.
May 3 1970, the GT-R wins its first outright victory in a race of equal-classed cars for win #19.
March 7 1971, the GT-R has a claimed 37th win; it finished 5th overall with 2 Nissan 240Zs actually taking 1st & 2nd overall.
From my source, the car actually won 34 overall wins, and only 22 class victories over 56 races. That's not bad, but it certainly breaks down the "49-consecutive" win claim which comes across as actually winning 49 races back-to-back when it was just 49-consecutive wins in class.
It's information like this that perhaps explain why most folks don't even know about such a record by Nissan because when you get into the finer details of it, it's about as impressive as when Chevrolet used to boast about how dominating the Corvette was in GT racing at LeMans & ALMS; at certain points, it was basically the only team left that had factory support.
The bulk of the GT-R's motorsport success lies with the R32's few seasons of dominance, where the Godzilla nickname that is now plastered on every R35 owner's license plate came from. Hence why I asked how that's any more valuable than Honda's success in the top tier of motorsports in Formula 1 & being associated with Senna.
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