We're about to go to war with a billion Chinese!

[Solid Fro]

Occupy the US?

I guess the Chinese are really good swimmers.

 

[ledhed]

China a target rich enviroment

 

[Flerbizky]

China will never attack Taiwan - So speaketh common sense...

 

[the_undrtaker89]

I don't think the us could ally with china. Not when you got a retard president like bush in office. He's probably off somewhere declaring a counter-terrorist act against the makers of rubix cubes for making them to hard.

 

[Solid Fro]

I don't think the us could ally with china. Not when you got a retard president like bush in office. He's probably off somewhere declaring a counter-terrorist act against the makers of rubix cubes for making them to hard.

I would refrain from calling others "retards" if you cannot use correct punctuation, capitalization, and proper sentence formation.

China is a ally with the US. We are certainly not at war with China and it would be in China's best interest to stay that way if it wants to succeed economically. China also does not want North Korea to go nuclear, it would give reason for Taiwan and Japan to militarize themselves and would cause the region to destabilize even further. The US included China in the seven-way talks with North Korea.

 

[TheCracker]

Note to Tony: Don't follow Jr this time.

 

[Lee]

hahahahaa a war against china!? gd luck!! they aint called the sleeping dragon for nothin u know... they have the capatability to destroy the world 3 times over or somin stupid like that..

 

[ExigeEvan]

they are going to be graduating two more huge classes of Iraqi police / guardsmen

If the class is that big they must be struggling to train them well.

A bunch of US soldiers are already gearing up to come back now .

And just as many are heading back to Iraq.

You wont hear anything about it while the car bombs are banging . they dont want the goony birds to just stop and wait till we go to get back at it . just watch whats happening though

So you have inside information?

did you notice that the US and Iraqis are FINALLY patrolling the border areas and removing insurgents from outlying areas ? Pay attention to whats going on instead of listening to " the sky is falling " nitwits .

So its taken 2 years to patrol the borders and now you propose that they will be out in 18 months?

nahhh we just start buying them from India ! they have billions too ! we already sent all our customer service jobs there ..just think it would be self perpetuating for them...they make stuff that breaks and we call to complain ! curry instead of dim sum !

So a fairly educated economy that works mainly in services has to all of a sudden switch to electronic industry? Hmm....

Occupy the US?

I guess the Chinese are really good swimmers.

Aircraft carriers? It's how America has travaled for years, and yet again you underestimate China's cpabilities.

China a target rich enviroment

Replace China with America, or even 'The West', and I'm sure that is what the terrorists are thinking.

Why do people keep underestimating a country that has not just got the greatest population but also a mass producer. Not just T-shirts and junk but major electronics.

 

[ledhed]

How long do you think it would take for then to develope a ship building industry and then design and build an AIRCRAFT carrier and the planes to fly off of them ...along with all the support and screening ships as well as train the crews and airmen etc. etc .
Little green men from mars have a good chance of invading the US before the Chinese .

China is a ally with the US

Nope they are not .

So you have inside information?

Nope I actually read ALL the news ..not just the parts I like .

So its taken 2 years to patrol the borders and now you propose that they will be out in 18 months?

What do you thinks been going on since they got there ? Hint ; they have been working to get things so they can leave...hint ..hint

hahahahaa a war against china!? gd luck!! they aint called the sleeping dragon for nothin u know... they have the capatability to destroy the world 3 times over or somin stupid like that..

sure maybe by all billion of them eating beans and farting on the same day ...not with their military .
Given time anything is possible..they may eventually start spending 40 % of their GNP to try to catch up to the US military and eventually by doing that they may even approach a measure of parity ...if the US just stays still or go's backwards while this is going on ...I doubt if it will happen in YOUR lifetime ..maybe at some point far in the future...who knows...could just as easily happen in Europe or India .

 

[cardude2004]

I would refrain from calling others "retards" if you cannot use correct punctuation, capitalization, and proper sentence formation.

China is a ally with the US. We are certainly not at war with China and it would be in China's best interest to stay that way if it wants to succeed economically. China also does not want North Korea to go nuclear, it would give reason for Taiwan and Japan to militarize themselves and would cause the region to destabilize even further. The US included China in the seven-way talks with North Korea.

We aren't ally's with China, and the US actually didn't recognize the mainland of China as the country China from like 1951 to the 1970's. We recognized Taiwan as China.

I don't really think we would go to war with China yet.

 

[Solid Fro]

hahahahaa a war against china!? gd luck!! they aint called the sleeping dragon for nothin u know... they have the capatability to destroy the world 3 times over or somin stupid like that..

And the US has the power to destroy the world 20 times over.

Sleeping dragon? You got your countries mixed up, it was the US.

"We have awakened a sleeping dragon and filled him with a terrible resolve" - Isoruku Yamamoto, Commander of the Japanese Imperial Navy.

Aircraft carriers? It's how America has travaled for years, and yet again you underestimate China's cpabilities.

With what carrier and what aircraft? The Chinese have no carrier based aircraft of their own and their only option to purchase any would the the Russian made Su-27K Naval Flanker. How do you invade a country with the military might of the US with no way to actually get your forces over there, excel?

The Chinese have three carriers:

The Soviet Kiev, which is a theme park.

The Varyang, which was bought for scrap.

And a Nimtz class replica built for another theme park

What a display of naval power!

Read up on your military facts next time, excel.



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv.htm

 

[Giancarlo]

That may be, but America was hardly going out on a high either.

Didn't we win every battle we were involved in during the Vietnam War?

 

[ledhed]

unless you can find a way to make yourself proof against nukes comming from ICBMs subs and bombs ...how do you win ? You declare war and use nukes ...you become a large smoking crater . You declare war and do not use nukes you become a smaller smoking crater with a bunch of starving people to feed . The only way to win is by NOT GOING TO WAR . Figure it out yet ?

 

[Solid Fro]

Didn't we win every battle we were involved in during the Vietnam War?

Yes, that is correct.

But, you wouldn't be able to tell that by listening to the anti-war anything Liberal Media of the time.

http://www.vietnam-war.info/myths/

 

[Joey D]

And the US has the power to destroy the world 20 times over.

Sleeping dragon? You got your countries mixed up, it was the US.

"We have awakened a sleeping dragon and filled him with a terrible resolve" - Isoruku Yamamoto, Commander of the Japanese Imperial Navy.



With what carrier and what aircraft? The Chinese have no carrier based aircraft of their own and their only option to purchase any would the the Russian made Su-27K Naval Flanker. How do you invade a country with the military might of the US with no way to actually get your forces over there, excel?

The Chinese have three carriers:

The Soviet Kiev, which is a theme park.

The Varyang, which was bought for scrap.

And a Nimtz class replica built for another theme park

What a display of naval power!

Read up on your military facts next time, excel.



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv.htm

Thats so cool, I wish I had an Aircraft Carrier theme park.

 

[Lee]

And the US has the power to destroy the world 20 times over.

Sleeping dragon? You got your countries mixed up, it was the US.

"We have awakened a sleeping dragon and filled him with a terrible resolve" - Isoruku Yamamoto, Commander of the Japanese Imperial Navy.



With what carrier and what aircraft? The Chinese have no carrier based aircraft of their own and their only option to purchase any would the the Russian made Su-27K Naval Flanker. How do you invade a country with the military might of the US with no way to actually get your forces over there, excel?

The Chinese have three carriers:

The Soviet Kiev, which is a theme park.

The Varyang, which was bought for scrap.

And a Nimtz class replica built for another theme park

What a display of naval power!

Read up on your military facts next time, excel.



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv.htm

Cheers for correcting me, my bad

 

[s0nny80y]

Didn't we win every battle we were involved in during the Vietnam War?

The Tet Offensive was won. But the American people were lost.

The media coverage before the Tet Offensive was filled with dissillusionment of victory overseas. At the cost of many US troops.

Eventually, policing power was handed down to the South Vietnamese. And the North Vietnamese won. And imagine, South Vietnam was a democracy to start off with.



Hopefully Chinese-US relations calm down. Imagine how it would feel if we started to get bullied by a hostile superpower. Scurry. Would be the first time for me.

 

[ledhed]

South Vietnam was a democracy to start off with.

Your kidding right ? you really need to look a lot closer at that one . the best that could be said about South Vietnam was " at least they are not commies "
IF the South Vietnamese government was democratic the political will of the people of the US would not have wavered like it did . The way the war was fought and the government it was fought for, disallusioned the people who had to fight it and the people who were to support them ., Thats one of the biggest lessons to be learned from Vietnam . The other is " never go to war unless you are prepared to win by defeating the enemy " . Go back and look at the way the war was fought .
Can you imagine invading Iraq and NOT bombing the anti air missles and other air defenses along with Air fields ? then NOT actually sending any troops into Iraq just letting them fight whatever they could find in Kuwait . If they run back into Iraq you just let them go they are safe . Same with air craft . You wonder why it took more than 10 years for people to get fed up . How can you ask someone to die if you are not willing to do what it takes to let them win ?
Thats what you learn ...only took more than 60,000 dead Americans and millions of dead Vietnamese to learn it.

 

[s0nny80y]

OK, so S. Vietnam was corrupt as it's minority ran the gov't. Was officialy considered democratic and the image was pushed through the media before Tet.

Anyways, why shouldn't we be scared of China? The US reports of Chinese military buildup were made even more public after the bid for UNOCOAL. I'm starting to understand why America is scared about China after reading this. And why shouldn't we be.

Other interesting stuff came too me after reading this blog:

ows in the racial card when he added, “China will be demonized for its political system and its profound cultural differences - for the first time in modern history, a non-white, non-European-based society will be a global superpower. The west will need to learn to live with difference rather than seeking to denounce and subjugate it. The US will need to learn to contain its primordial desire to have an enemy, be it Native Americans, the Soviet Union, Bin Laden or China. Otherwise the 21st century will be grim indeed.” However this really doesn't fly since it ignores Bush’s initiatives toward India as well as his own international democratic reform program directed at many third word countries.

Quoting this is a bit amateurish as there are many more specific information on that page that could've been quoted.

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Not to be a post whore, but from China to Vietnam to Iraq?

A fight over Taiwan would be symbolic of Vietnam: Fighting a very large, nationalistic force. Nationalistic meaning they'll keep on attacking until outside influence is out.

The only way to protect Taiwan from China is with outside intervention. That's the only way. So, it's up to the US if they want another Vietnam on their hands. And if we do decide to send troops to Taiwan, might as well send the whole army to mainland China. This won't be a Kuwait-Iraq conflict. The Chinese military is more modern than Iraq's AND there's 2 billion of 'them'. Modern as in possession of muclear warheads.

Couple years ago, China launched a shuttle into space. Months ago, they realized their monopolizing abilities and turned on the textile trade. Now, the US is recognizing their major economic moves like UNOCOAL. China also has major ties with South America. China is making huge contributions to Zambia. China is becoming influential.

Like the blog said, the US is moving into allying with Asian countries in the name of fighting terrorism. China feels just as threatened as we do. It's like another Cold War. China continues to modernize, undermining US superiority as the US forges military ties with countries surrounding China in the name of anti-terrorism. Build up of US military technology around China as China beefs up its own military/amphibious assault ships (in order to cross the waters between China-Taiwan) is just asking for a conflict.

Never has the US faced a rival superpower/alter ego (not enemy) such as China since the Soviet Union and England.

Can the US just learn and let live? Nope, because we have commitments to Taiwan.

In the end, what does Taiwan mean to the US? Defending Taiwan means declaring war on China.

 

[the_undrtaker89]

No country likes the US right now. But no country is going to war with the US. That's probably how it's going to stay for a while. And about that comment of the US being able to blow the world up 20 times over. I'd like to know where that information came from.

 

[Solid Fro]

I rather have the US be feared than liked.

We can blow up the world 20 times over because, well... we have a lot of nuclear warheads, numbnut. Over 2,000 to be exact.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/nuclear.htm

 

[a6m5]

China has been planning the invasion of Taiwan, since pretty much when Taiwan split from the rest of China. Only thing that kept China in line was the huge Naval presence of the U.S. Navy. 👍 China has been investing heavily into subs and missiles that could take out the U.S. air craft carriers. When you consider how spread thin the U.S. military is, Chinese invasion of Taiwan would mean big trouble for the U.S., I'm afraid.

I hate China. I believe they are evil nation, that has no right to occupy Tibet or Taiwan. At the same time, by trying to defend it, more Taiwanese people will die, along with the soldiers from the U.S. and it's allies like Japan. I don't know if UK or Germany would join the effort to defend Taiwan. I hope so. One of the South Korean Government ministers has warned the U.S., they might not be there help, in case of the Taiwan Invasion.

Best solution that I can think of is for rest of the world to pressure China to stay out of Taiwan's business. If EU, U.S., Japan, Russia and all the other nations threaten to take actions against China in case of the invasion, they'd be forced to leave Taiwan alone. This would be the cheapest and easiest solution, but I don't see it happening either.

 

[Green Gloves]

Saying you hate China is perhaps a bit strong. Why can't we learn to love our brothers and sisters. We are all from the same planet. I can see if you dislike the way China acts as a country on some international issues. Let's have world peace people!

MAKE LOVE NOT WAR

 

[s0nny80y]

I rather have the US be feared than liked.

We can blow up the world 20 times over because, well... we have a lot of nuclear warheads, numbnut. Over 2,000 to be exact.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/nuclear.htm

Realize that the US is part of that world that would be blown up 20 times over, 0.

 

[Solid Fro]

Only thing that kept China in line was the huge Naval presence of the U.S. Navy. 👍 China has been investing heavily into subs and missiles that could take out the U.S. air craft carriers.

A carrier never leaves it's task force, which includes anti-surface-to-surface and missile countermeasure systems. It would be difficult to hit the carrier specifically. Besides, it's not our only weapons platform.

When you consider how spread thin the U.S. military is, Chinese invasion of Taiwan would mean big trouble for the U.S., I'm afraid.

Spread thin as in we're only using 70% of two branches and forget to count the other two or spread thin as in we have 35,000 in South Korea and another 50,000 in reserve?

 

[standard235]

**** war. We could get by without.

 

[Solid Fro]

Saying you hate China is perhaps a bit strong. Why can't we learn to love our brothers and sisters. We are all from the same planet. I can see if you dislike the way China acts as a country on some international issues. Let's have world peace people!

MAKE LOVE NOT WAR

WTF?

I guess you didn't hear about the protests of Chinese citizens charging Japan of war crimes and racial attacks. Yet, the Chinese government didn't "know" of such protests in advance.

But, all of that is a bit strong, isn't it?

 

[a6m5]

I just read the first article. This is scary. You know who "China" in the article reminded me of? Imperial Japan. Right before the start of the World War II.

Most American educated people believe that some crazy country, Japan, decided to attack Pearl Harbor and that's what dragged the U.S. into the War. If you actually go back further into the history, Japan was just like China, today. Lots of growing business and industries, building up large Navy to expand and secure(ie takeover, invade) natural resources. Pretty much invading weaker nations, that stood in your way. In 1930's U.S. and its' allies tried to limit Japanese naval military power with an international agreement, that allowed each countries limited amount(tonnage, I think) of vessels. This p*ssed off Japan. Little bit later(I don't remember the year), U.S. and the allies decided to put an embargo, called ABCD line(?). I think it involved America, British, China and Dutch. This just killed the Japanese economy, which led to the attack of the Pearl Harbor.

Right now, many of us in the U.S., including me are thinking about stop buying Chinese products. I'm thinking, with a country as big as China, that may not be a good idea. History's known to repeat itself.

 

[Solid Fro]

Wasn't Japan already in a war with China during that time?

 

[a6m5]

Saying you hate China is perhaps a bit strong. Why can't we learn to love our brothers and sisters. We are all from the same planet. I can see if you dislike the way China acts as a country on some international issues. Let's have world peace people!

MAKE LOVE NOT WAR

Usually, I would agree with you. I don't want war, and this is how much I hate war. If U.S. or Japan draft me to go to Iraq or Afghanistan, I'd just tell them to put me in prison. I don't care how long.

If you've followed the news recently, you realize that almost everybody in China is brainwashed(excluding HK). Communist government has them in total control. Am I a Chinese hater? I don't think so. I've had many Chinese friends in the past, and they are very nice people. I play basketball with lots of Chinese kids in the neighborhood, and they know or figure out I'm Japanese right away and we all get along great. Also, I love Taiwan. Taiwan is China, or part of China, depending on which side you're on. Basically, I'm a huge fan of China, it's people, culture and especially their food, as long as they are not brainwashed commies. As I've said, Chinese people here in the States are some of the nicest people IMO. But we are talking about Communist nation, bullying, and looking to invade the weaker neighbor. No, they are not my brothers and sisters. My "brothers and sisters" are in Taiwan.

Wasn't Japan already in a war with China during that time?

Yes. I think Japan invaded China in the 1930's. 👎
Edit: I don't belive I did that. I, ofcourse meant thumbsdown for the Japanese invasion of China. What an dumba**. Stupid! Sorry!