What is happening to some people in the Sarthe enduros?
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If you have any improvement ideas please tell me,
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FletchWell that did not work out, Bob finished 2:nd. 1min 30 sec after the winner
I guess third time is the charm...
This time I'm going to read through this whole thread again to get the winning car and settings
Make sure you raise the ride height way up, no matter which car you use. Seems to be the most effective thing you can do for the problem.
You have the PAL version of the game, so you're subject to the bug more than those of us who have the NTSC version.
Good luck!
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=71434
these set ups are made for the slathe endros in b-spec
these set ups are made for the slathe endros in b-spec
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Lo. Never had a problem with Bob on the Sarthe Enduros, I have had issues whenever I turn his number above 3. I think it has something to do with Bob's driving style. Could be wrong, tho.
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Here you go:
Tyres
F/R
R2/R1
Brakes
F/R
8/4
Suspension
F/R
Springs 12.0/12.0
Rideheight 70/72
Damper Bound 2/2
Damper rebound 4/4
Camber 2.5/1.5
Toe 0.0/0.0
Stabilisers(sp?) 7/7
Gears
Trannytrick (auto to highest, then final to highest, then auto to lowest)
set final to 3.475 and 5th up about 10-15 points
leave the rest
downforce
F/R
50/70
LSD
45/30/20
I think thats all. Do the first stint yourself (8 laps) and make sure you DO NOT have the 787B in the opponent lineup! Set speed to 3 and overtake.
Oh, and no upping of power!!
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Well, a week ago the strangest thing happened to me:
On my previous GT4 save, I had a Bob of 6066 points, he won the Sarthe II with a Turbo 4 GT-ONE with ease,
Now on this GT4 save, Bob is at 7294 points, competed with a Turbo 3 GT-ONE on Sarthe I and he does nothing but going off in the first chicane and the first chicane on the Hunaudieres 👎
I gave him a 50 seconds gap after 6 laps, he took over the wheel and after 2 hours he was in second, although his fastest lap was 3'28.911 he just makes too many mistakes to keep up the lead
Settings, tires are the same, got no ****ing clue why he does it. The 6000 points Bob ran 100% clean all along.
On my previous GT4 save, I had a Bob of 6066 points, he won the Sarthe II with a Turbo 4 GT-ONE with ease,
Now on this GT4 save, Bob is at 7294 points, competed with a Turbo 3 GT-ONE on Sarthe I and he does nothing but going off in the first chicane and the first chicane on the Hunaudieres 👎
I gave him a 50 seconds gap after 6 laps, he took over the wheel and after 2 hours he was in second, although his fastest lap was 3'28.911 he just makes too many mistakes to keep up the lead
Settings, tires are the same, got no ****ing clue why he does it. The 6000 points Bob ran 100% clean all along.
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I was racing with my Toyota Minolta 88C-V in the Sarthe also...I left it in B-spec for the night. I wake up in the morning to see me lapped 10 times by a car 200hp down from me. I just stood there in astonishment, I think my bob hit a glitch if there is one here. Im too lazy to read all the posts but is there any real answers to this?Zardoz
Oh and just to add...I have the North American Version. Ahahaha, Go figure.
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My Bob stayed the same at 5800, but then raised hugely after doing competitions with cars from the 60's, 70's and FF cars.
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Zardoz
BECAUSE IT'S PLAIN BORING!
I mean you do a few turns at the beginning then the LONNNNNNG straight with some simple turns. Then a few more semi-difficult turns...rinse, repeat. The only enjoyable part of the track is finishing the enduro/race.
I have been having this problem for ages, almost regardless of which car I choose. I have since learned a lot about B-Spec Bob and his abilities, and what settings he likes; I have the UK PS2 (I think the PAL version?)
Thr first time you try Sarthe II you don't get the Mazda 787 and Sauber C9 to race against, and in my experience they are the AI daddies to beat. I haven't seen the PS Pescarolo for a while, so can't say how that goes, and I don't know how the game picks cars to race against you.
I have had the crashing problem with almost every car, Minolta Toyota, Jag XKR9, Mazda 787, Nissan R92, Audi R8 and the Formula One car.
I know about raising the ride height, but that doesn't always do it. The Mazda seems to be able to go furthest on hards/super hards f/r, usually doing 8 laps at a best of about 3.13. I think the crashing is linked with fuel load, although would have to watch a lot more races to be sure. He quite often crashes 3 or 4 laps in a row, which will wipe out any lead you can get.
I thought I had it sussed the other night, I softened the ride as well as raising the height, and he was over a min clear of the rival Mazda and Sauber with about 14 hours raced.
Then I discovered a new problem, one which I don't think has a fix. Wifey found the PS on running in the dark, and decided I must have left it on by mistake, so she turned it off. AGH!
Thr first time you try Sarthe II you don't get the Mazda 787 and Sauber C9 to race against, and in my experience they are the AI daddies to beat. I haven't seen the PS Pescarolo for a while, so can't say how that goes, and I don't know how the game picks cars to race against you.
I have had the crashing problem with almost every car, Minolta Toyota, Jag XKR9, Mazda 787, Nissan R92, Audi R8 and the Formula One car.
I know about raising the ride height, but that doesn't always do it. The Mazda seems to be able to go furthest on hards/super hards f/r, usually doing 8 laps at a best of about 3.13. I think the crashing is linked with fuel load, although would have to watch a lot more races to be sure. He quite often crashes 3 or 4 laps in a row, which will wipe out any lead you can get.
I thought I had it sussed the other night, I softened the ride as well as raising the height, and he was over a min clear of the rival Mazda and Sauber with about 14 hours raced.
Then I discovered a new problem, one which I don't think has a fix. Wifey found the PS on running in the dark, and decided I must have left it on by mistake, so she turned it off. AGH!
Well I am now very confused!
Before the weekend, I was close to giving up. I had tried with the Toyota several times, and although it has a very high top speed (I saw 228 mph with my Bob at the wheel on one set up!) the prat would crash almost every lap. No matter what I did with the ride height and set up, he would struggle to hold 4th or 5th in the race.
I went back to the Mazda 787, as although this car is relatively low on power, it goes further on its tyres, on pace 3 with overtake on. I was doing well after 16 hours, having a ding-dong with another 787, but not really getting away, and then one of my family decides not to let it finish.
So, I tried again, but this time I ran the rigidity refresher programme, and that transformed the car. By the first pit stop I was in the lead, and continued to pull away from the field. The full set up was -
Front tyres hard, rear super hard.
Stage 4 turbo
Brake 3/3
Spring 15.8/14.8
Ride 85/85
Bound 8/8
Rebound 8/8
Camber 2/1
Toe 0/0
Stabiliiser 6/6
Gears
1st 3.884
2nd 2.430
3rd 1.686
4th 1.242
5th 0.972
Final 3.8
Auto 13
Driving aids 10/10/5
Downforce 63/88
LSD 10/40/20
Weight 0/0
Notice the ride height isn't that high.
I went to bed about 14 hrs in, 1.45 ahead of the other 787, the rest all lapped, and I think I must have knocked the overtake setting off, as when I got up with an hour to go, I was still about that distance clear. I finished 2 mins up on the other 787, 2 laps up on the Sauber and Jag, 3 laps on the Minolta Toyota and 7 up on the Nissan R89.
I went back to write out the set up, and then I checked the mods I had, and was very surprised to see that I hadn't got the rigidity refresher prog - I guess it is possible it would "wear off" after a 24 hr race and need to be re-done?
I also hadn't done an oil change prior to the race, and was astonished to see the power go from 818 to 904 after the change. I would have thought maybe 30 bhp more, but not almost 90!
After the race, my mate Bob has 7523 points, machine skill 91, and 73 for the other two, so he is a good Bob. He is also now an expert on Sarthe II; I dropped him into the Minolta Toyota and his previous lack of skill on the Mulsanne has been banished, he was 1st by the first pit stop and didn't look like losing it. My Bob is also able to drive the Jag now, but still stuggles with the Nissan R92.
So, I would say the rigidity refresher plan is a must, and then dabble with the suspension.
Before the weekend, I was close to giving up. I had tried with the Toyota several times, and although it has a very high top speed (I saw 228 mph with my Bob at the wheel on one set up!) the prat would crash almost every lap. No matter what I did with the ride height and set up, he would struggle to hold 4th or 5th in the race.
I went back to the Mazda 787, as although this car is relatively low on power, it goes further on its tyres, on pace 3 with overtake on. I was doing well after 16 hours, having a ding-dong with another 787, but not really getting away, and then one of my family decides not to let it finish.
So, I tried again, but this time I ran the rigidity refresher programme, and that transformed the car. By the first pit stop I was in the lead, and continued to pull away from the field. The full set up was -
Front tyres hard, rear super hard.
Stage 4 turbo
Brake 3/3
Spring 15.8/14.8
Ride 85/85
Bound 8/8
Rebound 8/8
Camber 2/1
Toe 0/0
Stabiliiser 6/6
Gears
1st 3.884
2nd 2.430
3rd 1.686
4th 1.242
5th 0.972
Final 3.8
Auto 13
Driving aids 10/10/5
Downforce 63/88
LSD 10/40/20
Weight 0/0
Notice the ride height isn't that high.
I went to bed about 14 hrs in, 1.45 ahead of the other 787, the rest all lapped, and I think I must have knocked the overtake setting off, as when I got up with an hour to go, I was still about that distance clear. I finished 2 mins up on the other 787, 2 laps up on the Sauber and Jag, 3 laps on the Minolta Toyota and 7 up on the Nissan R89.
I went back to write out the set up, and then I checked the mods I had, and was very surprised to see that I hadn't got the rigidity refresher prog - I guess it is possible it would "wear off" after a 24 hr race and need to be re-done?
I also hadn't done an oil change prior to the race, and was astonished to see the power go from 818 to 904 after the change. I would have thought maybe 30 bhp more, but not almost 90!
After the race, my mate Bob has 7523 points, machine skill 91, and 73 for the other two, so he is a good Bob. He is also now an expert on Sarthe II; I dropped him into the Minolta Toyota and his previous lack of skill on the Mulsanne has been banished, he was 1st by the first pit stop and didn't look like losing it. My Bob is also able to drive the Jag now, but still stuggles with the Nissan R92.
So, I would say the rigidity refresher plan is a must, and then dabble with the suspension.
Hello all!!
I went out and bought this beauty of a game, a little over a month ago, and ive been playing it like a mad man ever since.
However, since I have the PAL-version of the game Ive also had my share of frustrations over the Sarthe II enudurace race
After several goes at it in B-Spec, in several different cars, I finally gave in and decided to do this bloody race in A-Spec 
15 hours through in the race, we had a Freaking electricity powerout, here where I live 
I went completely beserk, pounding on my TV and banging my head against the wall 
Im goin to kill my landlord the next time I lay eyes on him, since this powerout-stuff happens quite frequently here
Anyways, back to business
I was so frustrated after that powerout, and I thought to my self No way am I racing this race in A-Spec again, risking that the same thing happens all over , so I went back to experimenting a little with B-Spec.
Now Im sure that you guys have already found a solution to this problem, but i've been to lazy to read through all of the posts in this thread, and alot of people on this forum seem to forget to post whether they're playing the PAL-version or the NTSC one whenever they post their settings, so i'm gonna post my solution to the problem:
I had read somewhere in the beginning of this thread, that someone had noticed that Bob seems to get this Wall-Crashing-problem every time he exceeds 200 MPH So I decided to try and tune the gears on the Formula GT making sure that the top speed of the car kept just under 200 MPH 💡 And that pretty much solved Bobs issues on this track 👍 I wonder whether or not, this 200 MPH-thing is a general issue in Bobs programming on all courses
afterall not many courses allows you to exceed 200 MPH. Anyways Ive just completed the Sarthe II 24-hour endurance, and it was in B-Spec all the way through, on a PAL-version.
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Machine: Formula Gran Turismo
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Machine Settings:
Suspension: Front: Rear:
Spring Rate: 18.0 18.2
Ride Height mm: 60 60
Damper (Bounce side): 5 5
Damper (Rebound side): 10 10
Camper Angle: 2.0 1.6
Toe Angle: 0 -2
Transmission:
Auto settings: 12
Driving Aids:
ASM System Oversteer: 0
ASM System Understeer: 0
TCS Controller: 3
Downforce Aerodynamics: Front: Rear:
Downforce: 75 105
LSD: Front: Rear:
Initial torque: -- 15
LSD Acceleration: -- 30
LSD Deceleration: -- 30
Weight Balance:
Ballast Weight: 0
Front/Rear Balance 0
Brake Balance Controller: Front: Rear:
Brake Balance: 4 4
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Bobs Profile:
Overall Skill: 7417
Machine Skill: 90
Course Skill: 74
Battle Skill: 73
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With these machine settings and my Bob on 5 and overtake, Bob was averaging his non-pitting laps at approximately 3 min 8 secs, and he was usually pitting every 4 Laps, eventually he would only go for 3 Laps and than pit. He is very slow down the long straight, and looses quite a bit of time, but he does not crash into the wall amymore. And however he more than makes up for the lost time on the second half of the course, where he runs smoothly and quickly through all of the little turns 👍
Now Ive been working my Bob quite a bit so he can make me some money, but Im not sure how important his skills are in this endurance race. If you try these settings and find that your Bob is not experienced enough to be running through the course continously on 5 and overtake, then go out and train with him for a while or try and improve these car-settings.
Anyhow I was able to leave everything up to Bob on this one, and he won the race by approximately 1,5 laps in front of the Mercedes Sauber Race car in 2nd and 2,5 laps infront of the Mazda 797 B. In all my other attempts the Mazda seemed to be taking the lead, but on this attempt the Mercedes had the Mazda by more than one lap Im sure that my settings can be further improved, but the main-thing for me was just to win this race, so it wont be bothering me anymore.
I went out and bought this beauty of a game, a little over a month ago, and ive been playing it like a mad man ever since.
However, since I have the PAL-version of the game Ive also had my share of frustrations over the Sarthe II enudurace race
After several goes at it in B-Spec, in several different cars, I finally gave in and decided to do this bloody race in A-Spec 15 hours through in the race, we had a Freaking electricity powerout, here where I live I went completely beserk, pounding on my TV and banging my head against the wall Im goin to kill my landlord the next time I lay eyes on him, since this powerout-stuff happens quite frequently here Anyways, back to business
I was so frustrated after that powerout, and I thought to my self No way am I racing this race in A-Spec again, risking that the same thing happens all over , so I went back to experimenting a little with B-Spec.
Now Im sure that you guys have already found a solution to this problem, but i've been to lazy to read through all of the posts in this thread, and alot of people on this forum seem to forget to post whether they're playing the PAL-version or the NTSC one whenever they post their settings, so i'm gonna post my solution to the problem:
I had read somewhere in the beginning of this thread, that someone had noticed that Bob seems to get this Wall-Crashing-problem every time he exceeds 200 MPH
So I decided to try and tune the gears on the Formula GT making sure that the top speed of the car kept just under 200 MPH 💡 And that pretty much solved Bobs issues on this track 👍 I wonder whether or not, this 200 MPH-thing is a general issue in Bobs programming on all courses
afterall not many courses allows you to exceed 200 MPH. Anyways Ive just completed the Sarthe II 24-hour endurance, and it was in B-Spec all the way through, on a PAL-version.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Machine: Formula Gran Turismo
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Machine Settings:
Suspension: Front: Rear:
Spring Rate: 18.0 18.2
Ride Height mm: 60 60
Damper (Bounce side): 5 5
Damper (Rebound side): 10 10
Camper Angle: 2.0 1.6
Toe Angle: 0 -2
Transmission:
Auto settings: 12
Driving Aids:
ASM System Oversteer: 0
ASM System Understeer: 0
TCS Controller: 3
Downforce Aerodynamics: Front: Rear:
Downforce: 75 105
LSD: Front: Rear:
Initial torque: -- 15
LSD Acceleration: -- 30
LSD Deceleration: -- 30
Weight Balance:
Ballast Weight: 0
Front/Rear Balance 0
Brake Balance Controller: Front: Rear:
Brake Balance: 4 4
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Bobs Profile:
Overall Skill: 7417
Machine Skill: 90
Course Skill: 74
Battle Skill: 73
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With these machine settings and my Bob on 5 and overtake, Bob was averaging his non-pitting laps at approximately 3 min 8 secs, and he was usually pitting every 4 Laps, eventually he would only go for 3 Laps and than pit. He is very slow down the long straight, and looses quite a bit of time, but he does not crash into the wall amymore. And however he more than makes up for the lost time on the second half of the course, where he runs smoothly and quickly through all of the little turns 👍
Now Ive been working my Bob quite a bit so he can make me some money, but Im not sure how important his skills are in this endurance race. If you try these settings and find that your Bob is not experienced enough to be running through the course continously on 5 and overtake, then go out and train with him for a while or try and improve these car-settings.
Anyhow I was able to leave everything up to Bob on this one, and he won the race by approximately 1,5 laps in front of the Mercedes Sauber Race car in 2nd and 2,5 laps infront of the Mazda 797 B. In all my other attempts the Mazda seemed to be taking the lead, but on this attempt the Mercedes had the Mazda by more than one lap
Im sure that my settings can be further improved, but the main-thing for me was just to win this race, so it wont be bothering me anymore.One more thing...
I was just thinkin'... since so many people playin' the PAL-version are having huge issues with Bob on this course, wouldn't it be a good idea to post a sollution to the problem as a guide or a faq or something... just to make it easier on people...
I was just thinkin'... since so many people playin' the PAL-version are having huge issues with Bob on this course, wouldn't it be a good idea to post a sollution to the problem as a guide or a faq or something... just to make it easier on people...
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the only 24hr race i have done is the 24hr of nurburg. and that was to just get the F1GT. as far as the other two 24hr races, i might let the B-spec go and do these but i will not. if they gave me some more reason to do these 24hr races like the change of day-to-night-to-day and some rain to thrown in there. not sure if the 24hr races were a good idea. maybe they should have developed a way to save within the 24hr races on pitstops. i don't know!
I had a problem on Sarthe I, set-up B-spec on a Minolta 88CV started the race fine leading on Lap 4 with +15 sec. turned off the TV. Came back the next day was down 1 Lap in 3rd place. Watched the re-play on Lap 6 had a run-in with a Ford GT40 that spun me through two sand pits and couldn't find the road or 1st gear to save my life. Didn't re-race it till last week, which incidently had a GT40 and hit me in almost the same spot but this time was able to recover.
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Thankfully i have not had any problems with this glitch, i have done this race 2 times and have not had any problems whatsoever, bob is a splendid driver! I did the race once on A-spec and even though most people don't like long races i love long races, and that is a very fun race i did it with the nissan r92CP it was fully tuned 1,192 horsepower, what a monster!!!👍
Good luck with figuring out what the exact problem is, you may never find out, but sounds like most say it could be somthing with the ride height. Bouncing over bumps mabey throwing off the b-spec coordination or body roll doing the same. So dounds like the best solution is to make your car stiff and slam it to the ground to avoid this glitch, i always have my car at low ride height settings and a extremely stiff chassis, i love the tight handaling!
Good luck with figuring out what the exact problem is, you may never find out, but sounds like most say it could be somthing with the ride height. Bouncing over bumps mabey throwing off the b-spec coordination or body roll doing the same. So dounds like the best solution is to make your car stiff and slam it to the ground to avoid this glitch, i always have my car at low ride height settings and a extremely stiff chassis, i love the tight handaling!
I think I may have found the reason for why some of these people are having problems. A few hours ago, I was doing the Circuit de la Sarthe I 24 race. I was about 5 1/2 hours into the race with the Bentley Speed 8. All of a sudden, my B-spec driver starts driving erratically. He would drive half speed on the straights and brake WAY before he was supposed to. This quickly lead to me getting lapped. Changing the driver pace around did nothing. I had to end up quitting because there's no way I could gain a lap back (especially if I have to rely on this suddenly crazy B-spec driver). I did the other 24 hour races with no problems. This has never happened before. Any suggestions before I attempt the race again?
Just for the sake of asking what is Bob's points?ralphj
How long have you used both cars, how many miles on the car!
I have a Minolta 88C-V that I used on all three 24hr endro. won them all with ease. Then when I drove it in A-spec it would fishtail on the straights at 90mph and above. Refreshed the chasis/frame, drives just like when I won it.
Not saying this is the problem, but something to look in too.
BaronCAD
Bob has about 3000 points and both the Nissan and Mercedes have driven about 3000 km.
In the meantime, the Nissan R92 (stock with RH/RSH tyres) completed the 24 hours at the Nürburgring and the Formula Gran Turismo (with RM/RM tyres) raced Sarthe I without problems -- both in B-Spec mode.
I just tried racing Sarthe II in B-Spec with the brand new Audi R8 (stage 4 turbo; RH/RSH tyres; ride height upped to 90). At the end of the Mulsanne straight in the second (!) lap, Bob again just veers to the left...
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Fascinating, I just got through both 24 hour races at Sarthe. After the second screeching spin-out I filed a protest. The officials turned a deaf ear to me. I'd say Famine is correct about drafting being a problem.
In case others have the problem here is my setup. NTSC - NA
Car:
Minolta 86C
Ride height: All the way down in front and back.
Maximum downforce on the both front and back wings.
All other settings on default.
Tires:
Front - Hard racing(R2).
Back - Super-hard racing (R3).
Sarthe I
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Set it to #1 "Slow down" and went to sleep after maintaining a 30 second lead. When I awoke about 9 hours into the race he was about to be put one lap down. I got him back into the lead with some fast pit stops keeping the tires fresh and aborting full fueling. (Actually I should have just put him on 3-steady and walked away but it was fun to role play being the manager.)
He won the race by about 3 laps. There was no evidence of spinning out and I don't know why the initial lead evaporated.
Sarthe II (without the two chicanes on the long straight)
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I set him to 3-steady after he was in the lead. When I woke he was 2 laps in front. I kept the race on the manager screen and suddenly heard a screeching spin-out as he was passing a car on the long straight. This happened again later in the race. It was always when near a car. I made sure he did his passing on other sections and the problem did not reappear. He wound up winning by 8 laps.
B-spec skill 8883
Machine: 98
Course: 88
Battle: 88(he picked up a point in Sarthe II)
In case others have the problem here is my setup. NTSC - NA
Car:
Minolta 86C
Ride height: All the way down in front and back.
Maximum downforce on the both front and back wings.
All other settings on default.
Tires:
Front - Hard racing(R2).
Back - Super-hard racing (R3).
Sarthe I
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Set it to #1 "Slow down" and went to sleep after maintaining a 30 second lead. When I awoke about 9 hours into the race he was about to be put one lap down. I got him back into the lead with some fast pit stops keeping the tires fresh and aborting full fueling. (Actually I should have just put him on 3-steady and walked away but it was fun to role play being the manager.)
He won the race by about 3 laps. There was no evidence of spinning out and I don't know why the initial lead evaporated.
Sarthe II (without the two chicanes on the long straight)
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I set him to 3-steady after he was in the lead. When I woke he was 2 laps in front. I kept the race on the manager screen and suddenly heard a screeching spin-out as he was passing a car on the long straight. This happened again later in the race. It was always when near a car. I made sure he did his passing on other sections and the problem did not reappear. He wound up winning by 8 laps.
B-spec skill 8883
Machine: 98
Course: 88
Battle: 88(he picked up a point in Sarthe II)
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Minolta 86C? huh? Anyhow i've never had any problems.
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