What is happening to some people in the Sarthe enduros?

[lzybm22]

Yeah, this happend to me
i have the north american version
i was doing the sarth ll enduro
totally stock formula gt (blue and white, if that matters)
it was going down the mainstraight, and just flew into the wall, rode it for a good couple seconds, stopped, went into reverse, got itself into the middle of the track, and just went on normally, while im screaming "what are you doing!?!?!?"

 

[Element13]

COMPLETELY off topic, but Mythbusters proved that a goldfish does indeed have a longterm memory. It's a crappy longterm memory, but it's there.

I'd say that B-spec Bob is more akin to .... an idiot.

HAHAHA! Now that is just funny

 

[RonDiggity]

I went to bed with 6 hours left on the Sarthe enduro (the one with the two chicanes), up by 5 laps on the Sauber (I b-spec'ed with an F1 car) and when I woke up, I won by a measly 1.5 seconds!

 

[SjefGielen]

After winning the f1 gt car (black/green) I experienced major oversteer trouble for the first time. I just couldn't run a good lap on the oval (second race in Prof leauge world championship).
So I had a good look at the stock suspension settings on this baby, and noticed that for the very first time the toe angle had been set (to something around -0.8 I think) I read the comment on this setting and concluded that this setting had been the cause of my oversteer trouble. I set it to 0 and voila, I won the race by lapping everything else on the track twice.

After that I had a go at the Le Sarthe race (last race in the championship) and experienced trouble keeping my car under control at the Mulsane straight while A-speccing it. So I went back to the suspension settings and re-applied a little negative toe angle on the rear, and guess what happened, my stability on high speed straights was back.

Don't get me wrong, I tried over 20 laps and allmost every try ended in a spin or wall hugging . After I gave my car a little toe angle all my troubles were gone immediately. Even B-Spec Bob was able to win that race.

It is true that you have to raise the car a little to keep it from hitting the tarmac on the straight, but if that doesn't help enough I suggest you try the toe angle trick.

My Bob ran a clean Sarthe Endurance race and won it easily.

 

[Tornado]

I have a thoery. On Sarthe II just past the second chicane on the left and again before the second chicane in the same lane there is, quite literally, a jump that launches the car if it's going faster than 195 MPH. I have the NA version and I was doing the Sarthe II race with a Toyota GT-1 (the used one) with no extra turbo. I was in second and doing good due to a superior pit strategy to the 2 faster Group C cars (Jag XJR-9, Nissan R92 CP) and was going a little faster per lap than the Mazda 787B. I was B-Specing it for 3 pit periods and while it was on the Mulsanne, B-Spec Roberto hit one of these bumps and did what looked to be a 720 upon landing. Also, in a similar event, during the Nurburgring Formula GT race, my car randomly spun out on the long curved straight after the Flugplatz. I know no other A.I. caused it because by that point (2nd Lap) they were already way behind B-Spec Roberto. I still don't know what caused it. I have the NTSC version.

 

[ashtonwp]

I am using the settings from the forum from the guy above. I have being racing for 1 hour front sh rear ssh. I am on setting 3 no overtake. I am now winning byover a min. I put it on overtake until I was in first place then took it off. Does not seem to push has hard pittting every 7 laps. Will let you know what happens. I forgot to mention that on the first stint I put on sh on both front and rear and it only went for 4 laps but it got me in first with a big lead enough to go in and come out in front. I have just had my 4 pit stop and the mazda 787b is still a min behind me. I think this stratagy will work. 27 laps and no wall hits yet. Will let you know.

My theory on the overtake is he is looking for cars that are slower than him and then he is not concentrating on the road so that is why he hits the bumps.

 

[ixnay]

I think I found a perfect setup for the Minolta with the help of everyone here who posted their opinions/settings.

I have had 1 pitstop (the others 0) and I'm about 9 laps into the race, and currently in 4th.

One just pit then, so now 3rd. I assume when they all pit, I'll be first. I have not turned into the wall once which is a first after 10 laps.

If I win, I'll come back tomorrow and write out all the settings inc. my b-spec points, how hard I'm pushing, all settings of the car, tyres, HP, Weight, and all that stuff.

If I lose, I'll be annoyed because he's not hitting the wall on the straight after 15.


EDIT: It's a very very very close race between myself and the Mazda 787B. We keep switching first and 2nd after each of our pitstops. I get a 15s lead when he pits, then he gets the same lead when I pit. So I'm guessing this one will come down to pit strategy in the 24th hour. I need to work out a better pit strategy as he pits every 7 laps, but asks to pit on that 7th lap just before the main straight. Meaning he has to do a whole lap on red rears. So I need to work out a fuel load for him so he needs to pit on that full lap. I'm trying 60 litres, although I think that's a bit too little, and will probably blow my lead.


EDIT EDIT: 60 Litres gave him 3 litres when he came into pits. That's so amazing how I managed to guess that on the first attempt. So now I have him pitting in a good strategy, while being around 2 laps lighter than the rest for each lap. My lead remained after my pitstop that time, so I think the total package is perfect.

 

[ashtonwp]

I have left it running while I am at work. I have still left the overtake off. There are only 2 cars on the same lap as me and they are around 3 mins behind me. I will also post my settings when the race has finished. I will try and get it done while I am up. I have done 4 hours and will not get back till about 6pm tonight so that is going to be a extra 10 hours so will only be about 10 hours to do. I have still left overtake off but the car still overtakes on corners but not on the straights. I am averaging about 5 secs a lap faster.

 

[ixnay]

Bleh. I was mucking around the 1-2-3-4-5 settings, and I was going fine until 5 and I hit the straight wall. So for my method, 4 is the max. Also, The stupid Nissan spun into me, casuing me to spin. Other than that, I have a 1m17s lead after 50+ laps, pitting every 5th with 53-60litres of fuel per pitstop in order to regulate the strategy so he doesn't want to pit in after just passing the pit lane for new tyres.

All seems well, and I'm glad a lot of us are finding strategies that seem to be working with this annoying AI issue.

I don't think I could run 3 with no overtake and win. I'm running 4 constant, and I'm on Racing Super Hards for all tyres (I have no need to try Racing Hards on the front because I don't want to ruin something that's working again).

 

[ashtonwp]

That is fair enough. Just that I have to go to work and as you can not set a limit on to how much fuel you put in the car without being there that is why I am leaving it like it is. How long have you got left to run in the race.

 

[ixnay]

I actually tried your level 3 leave it alone, and it actually helps by around 15 seconds in between each pit stop. I'm at 4 hours 42 mins, 85 laps, and 3m30 ahead of the Mazda 787b. The stupid Nissan collected me AGAIN.

 

[niky]

I've only seen the Sarthe glitch once, but I'm pretty sure it's an AI glitch and not a spin. I was actually watching the in-car camera when he did it. Usually when he hits a bump, he corrects ever so slightly, but it seemed more like he just decided to veer off into the wall for the heck of it (not even slowing as if to turn).

My theory is that Bob is a victim of flatlander syndrome (or whatever the hell you call it), and is hypnotized by the unchanging view of kilometer after kilometer of trees and road going by. Only way to stop him doing this is to threaten to fire him if he doesn't stop doing weed.

 

[ashtonwp]

How is your race going ixnay. I will let you know how I am doing when I get home in about an hour.

 

[ashtonwp]

I won the race by 3 laps.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Think about it... a car that is fast enough to beat the competition, topping out over 200 MPH on a 24 hour endurance... The HP diminishes as the race progresses. I think you put more than 4000 miles on a single Sarth 24 hour races.

Use the Formula Gran Turismo on the two Sarth 24 hour. Because you cannot change it's oil, it doesn't suffer from oil/HP breakdown! One of the game glitches.... It is always 904 HP!

No need, buy any LMP, LM-GTP or Group C car and fit it with Turbo Stage 4 and at front RH tires and rear RSH tires. With pace 3 and overtake, B-spec. will blast out the competition.


I did both 24h of La Sarthe, at La Sarthe I, I competed with a stock Pesca Judd C60 and Mr. B-spec. lapped the 2nd position R89C three times!!


At La Sarthe II, I competed with a 1100 hp GT-one since there are lot of 900 hp monsters in that race. Without doing any A-spec. my B-spec. drove both the Mazda 787b and the Sauber-Mercedes C9 at three laps.

Maybe it's just because those players have a low B-spec. skill or something. My B-spec. driver never had troubles with those 24h races.

 

[Mr.Slow]

I just did the Sarthe I with the F1 car and saw b-spec driver veer into the wall before the first chicane a couple of times. He did the same at the end of muslanne but more often and always on the first lap after pitting.

I took over for a while and tried to workout the reason. I think the post that argued the cause to be a combination of the bumpy ride, speed and ride height pretty much nailed it. Only thing I would add is that it almost happened to me when I got too close to the wall and stated to brake for the chicane whilst still trying to position the car to the far left.

 

[Zardoz]

I just did the Sarthe I with the F1 car and saw b-spec driver veer into the wall before the first chicane a couple of times. He did the same at the end of Mulsanne...

So the problem occurs on Sarthe I as well. Its definitely worse on Sarthe II, but it can happen on the track with the chicanes also.

 

[shaunsund]

I think i've got it 👍
Most players use hard tires on both Sarthe enduros, right?
By the eight lap your tires shoul be ok.
But if you put it on B-Spec, the computer carries on until the tires somewaht go red.
The fuel gauge may be the problem also. On the replay i saw an R89C with it's fuel gauge empty
It started stopping and going.
Then on the straight it completly stopped for fourty seconds

 

[tubago]

This thing happened to me, but i finished the race (all bspeced) with 2,5 laps over the 2nd. But this happened to my opponents too. The suber mercedes hitted the wall every 3 laps.

 

[R390GT1]

OFFTOPIC: This is about nurburing 24h. Im in a gt40, vs a NSX. Im well over a 2 minute lead, a set it on B-spec and i go to bed. I wake up in the morning and the NSX is a minute lead over me my B-spec bob is messed up. does anyone have a answer to this?

 

[Zardoz]

OFFTOPIC: This is about nurburing 24h. Im in a gt40, vs a NSX. Im well over a 2 minute lead, a set it on B-spec and i go to bed. I wake up in the morning and the NSX is a minute lead over me my B-spec bob is messed up. does anyone have a answer to this?

You are faster than your B-Spec driver. Very few of us are slower than our Bobs.

How do his lap times compare to yours?

 

[R390GT1]

Well....I more or less suck completly at this course. I always spin out and forget where the turns are. Im probably a 5-8 seconds behind

 

[SjefGielen]

Well....I more or less suck completly at this course. I always spin out and forget where the turns are. Im probably a 5-8 seconds behind

The same goes for me, my B-Spec BOB is way faster on the ring in a Group C car than I am, as soon as I go over 250 km/h I start flying and spinning and mowing every bit of grass on the ring. I beat every competition in any car on the track in all the other races, but not in a car like that, I realy s&$%ck with that one.

 

[MasterDriver]

On a more serious note, I noticed on Sarthe 11 that he would occasionally turn left for no obvious reason, then take ages to sort it out. It could increase his lap time for that lap by up to 50 seconds. Car was the Formula GT, all settings standard, including wing and gearing. He wasn't trying to turn for the chicane because in Sarthe 2 the chicanes are still there, but coned off, so if he was trying to drive around the chicane, he should be successful. Also, he was not turning anywhere near the start of the chicane, and he was turning the wrong way (left instead of right). It always seemed to happen on his second lap after a pitstop, and on the next lap he would go and explore the tyre wall at the end of the long straight instead of taking the tight right hander.


It did not look to me like he was trying to take a road that was not there, but rather that he was having some kind of problem which his programming could not deal with, and, after seeing how fidgety the car looked, combined with the fact that it always seemed to happen in the same place, allied with the fact that someone on this forum has demonstrated that b-spec achieves IDENTICAL lap times around the nurb in laps which always included an offroad adventure in the same location, I put it down to the AI driver, possibly influenced by fuel load, always losing control in the same way at the same speed after hitting the same bump, and gets involved in an accident that fools him into thinking he needs to turn left and slow down, perhaps because he feels that the rear end is threatening to slide to the right, and that perhaps the reason he repeats this is because his programming has little allowance for random changes.

In other words, if he does the same thing in the same place, and all outside influences like fuel load and tyre condition are the same, he will have the same accident, again and again. And again. And again again...

If this is right, it suggests that b-spec has the capacity to learn, but has no memory, or a short memory.... I conclude that he is a fish. (memory span of a goldfish is 7 seconds according to Jasper Carrott) Other, possibly related evidence, suggests that mine is a Clown fish.

Do u really think "Bob" learns?? I would've guessed taht the number pts he earned through numerous races are just modifiers adjusting the %'s he messes up.. I seriously doubt they programming Decision Trees... And for a tree of that nature and the ps2 ability along with teh number of tracks it doesnt really seem feasible.. But I maybe wrong..

 

[snowgt]

What I experienced is that on the straight on Le Sarthe II, apparently there is some glitch in the track-design. I noticed because my B-spec driver would suddenly break from full speed to under 100 kph and then accelerate again, losing about 10 seconds in the process. Later on I discovered on A-spec mode that sometimes you see a "wrong direction" sign when going by the first chicane. This apparently causes the B-spec driver to "think" it's going the wrong way and therefore slowing down. I don't know when it happens though, I can't reproduce it. Maybe only when you drive a certain line...

Had to drive the last 2 hours of my 24h myself to finish first because it happened too often overnight...

 

[ali900]

if you even did the licence test with the NISSAN - you willl notice the barrier...
also in the enduro - see the AI cars - they RUN PERFECT!!!! its not fair
but anyway... id say do 5-10 laps or so your self then let bob run the race! wish bob was a real person... he would get so much hate mail 💡

Goodluck with the enduro!! 👍

*EDIT* found glitch reason!
maybe its because it uses the same BSPEC track lining as Sarth I
because the track is the same and if you do notice the CAR turns almost near the same point as the turn would occur... showin that this MIGHT be a track route or WAYPOINTS from the previous map! this mite be a big reason behind this
if this has been said... jus adding to it

*RE-EDIT*
Found a car which doesnt get stuck or stop or dies out --- the Ps-pescarolo - if i did spell it right.

 

[Zardoz]

...wish bob was a real person... he would get so much hate mail...

ROFLMAO!

👍

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I set B-Spec Bella to run the enduro at La Sarthe II yesterday so that she'd finish about 20 minutes after I got home from work today. It was alright to begin with, about 30-ish seconds separating my BMW and two bad guys, the 787B and C9 Mercedes and all three were pitting within laps of each other. I kept checking yesterday afternoon and slowly but surely, Bella was pulling away from the others (the three remaining bad guys, the Minolta, XJR-9 and R89C were all well off the pace, the R89C going down a lap after about an hour). Since I started at 5am today, I obviously couldn't check on Bella then. My brother later told me he looked at around 7am, and she was about two and a half minutes ahead.

The disaster. It seems that at about 1pm today, Bella went of at Indianaoplis and spent the next two hours reversing and driving forwards a few metres before reversing and doing it all over again on the edge of the sandtrap to the point where I was about 28 laps behind the R89C.

I had noticed in the early stages of the race that the C9 Mercedes kept gaining on me and the 787B down the straight, but at the slight curve would turn hard right and slam into the wall where it juts out slightly (an access road I think) and going from 300+ km/h to zero in the blibk of the eye. He'd stay there for a few seconds steering left and right, then back up and take off. Seemed to happen every time he got within 25 seconds of us leaders.

 

[Ezz777]

welcome to the stupid world of sartheII enduros. the only solution i have found is to raise the cars tail all the way, raise the nose to with 10mm of the tail, soften the springs all round and change the gearing so that it tops out at Bellas "top" speed which is usually a good 50 or so kmh slower than A spec.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Ta, but I won the Minolta after resetting my console (there's no way I'd be able to peg back 45 laps in 2 hours 50 mins ...) so I'll take that for a spin this weekend when I get a rare two days off so I can keep an eye on her and see how we go from there.

I'm a great believer in the "If at first you don't succeed, try again. Then stop. no use being a damn fool about it" philosophy ...