What is happening to some people in the Sarthe enduros?
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satos had a couple of issues in the black gt-one both on the long sraight. the first time he brakes for the first chicance :erm: and the 2nd time, it looked like the bumps got the better of him as he moved to the left side of the track for the kink, but, slide a little wide and spun on the chicane garvel trap. both times it was the first hotlap or 2nd lap out of the pits.
use this setup on the mazda and it should be fine. It worked on mine.
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Sorry guys. I have taken my time but I was doing something very important.
First of all I won by 7.8 laps on Le Sarthe with heaps of spins. AI spun as well so no big deal.
If spins are costing you a win then you are not tuning properly.
I had a ripper of a spin that I saw from a distance. It was actually about 3 spins in tandem with the Mazda.
Anyway I have another project running which is to complete my F1 colour collection. I had 4 to get - white with red and green, all red, yellow and black and all black.
I ran the nurb 24 hour and got blue again but about 30 minutes ago I got the all black. Will test some more tomorrow.
First of all I won by 7.8 laps on Le Sarthe with heaps of spins. AI spun as well so no big deal.
If spins are costing you a win then you are not tuning properly.
I had a ripper of a spin that I saw from a distance. It was actually about 3 spins in tandem with the Mazda.
Anyway I have another project running which is to complete my F1 colour collection. I had 4 to get - white with red and green, all red, yellow and black and all black.
I ran the nurb 24 hour and got blue again but about 30 minutes ago I got the all black. Will test some more tomorrow.
i did the sarth 2 enduro last night, it was doing the slam into the wall every 5 - 10 lap's but was still in front by around 1:30 - 2min
went to sleep with it going only to wake up and see it 28 lap's down!!
it looks like b-spec knob lost it on Virage Dindianapolis and spend the next however long driving into the wall, reversing 5 meters and doing it again...
what was more annoying was it only had another 2 hours left in the race
this was a PAL version too and 7500odd b-spec points
might change the settings and have another crack at it tonight or tomorrow..
went to sleep with it going only to wake up and see it 28 lap's down!!
it looks like b-spec knob lost it on Virage Dindianapolis and spend the next however long driving into the wall, reversing 5 meters and doing it again...
what was more annoying was it only had another 2 hours left in the race
this was a PAL version too and 7500odd b-spec points
might change the settings and have another crack at it tonight or tomorrow..
Started another run in the Minolta. Spins almost eliminated - first spin 3 hours in.
Will post specifics later but rear ride height is on max and front is 5mm short of max.
Suspension has been slightly softened but not by much.
One thing I saw was the AI cars read end get airborne over the bumps. They did not bottom out as such just part of the cargot airborne this could result in instability.
Also I tested a theory of mine and was proved correct. B-Spec Bob likes shorter gears than me. I used Zardoz's gears which do result in highest Aspec speed but Bob's highest speed was with 0.2 difference on final drive. This is because with the best A-spec ratios he struggles to keep it in sixth gear - he alternates between the 2. With slightly shorter gears he is able to get into higher revs in 6th which does result in higher speed. This was tested thoroughly on free runs with me and Bob taking turns with different gears.
Also for my race setup I dropped downforce - can't remember how much. So far looks like a steady win but will have to check in the morning.
Will post specifics later but rear ride height is on max and front is 5mm short of max.
Suspension has been slightly softened but not by much.
One thing I saw was the AI cars read end get airborne over the bumps. They did not bottom out as such just part of the cargot airborne this could result in instability.
Also I tested a theory of mine and was proved correct. B-Spec Bob likes shorter gears than me. I used Zardoz's gears which do result in highest Aspec speed but Bob's highest speed was with 0.2 difference on final drive. This is because with the best A-spec ratios he struggles to keep it in sixth gear - he alternates between the 2. With slightly shorter gears he is able to get into higher revs in 6th which does result in higher speed. This was tested thoroughly on free runs with me and Bob taking turns with different gears.
Also for my race setup I dropped downforce - can't remember how much. So far looks like a steady win but will have to check in the morning.
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I never had any problems with B-spec Sarthe races. I did my first race with only about 200 B-spec points. I won easily using the Minolta Toyota. It ran like it was on rails. Set on 3/Overtake. I went to bed, checked back twenty-four hours later and had my prize.
Cars that are excellent at Sarthe:
Sauber Mercedes
Minolta Toyota
Toyota GT-One
Mazda B7B
They run on rails and are easy on tires.
Cars that suck:
Chaparrals 2D and 2J (the 2J is good on shorter tracks like Fuji and Tokyo 2xx)
Bentley Speed 8
Any Ford GT
Corvette C5R
Gillet
Panoz
Nissan 390 GT-LM Race Car (runs great at other enduros)
Jaguar 9 Race car (tire burner)
They're stupid. Don't know when to turn, pass or run into the sand. Sloppy in chicanes.
I've yet to try the Nissans RC92 and RC89. They probably have some potential.
The best cars I've tried on B-spec on Motegi Speedway is the Sauber Mercedes. It absolutely flies. It lapped the field within 13 laps set on 3/Overtake. The Minolta Toyota is also great, but a bit slower than the Sauber.
Cars that are excellent at Sarthe:
Sauber Mercedes
Minolta Toyota
Toyota GT-One
Mazda B7B
They run on rails and are easy on tires.
Cars that suck:
Chaparrals 2D and 2J (the 2J is good on shorter tracks like Fuji and Tokyo 2xx)
Bentley Speed 8
Any Ford GT
Corvette C5R
Gillet
Panoz
Nissan 390 GT-LM Race Car (runs great at other enduros)
Jaguar 9 Race car (tire burner)
They're stupid. Don't know when to turn, pass or run into the sand. Sloppy in chicanes.
I've yet to try the Nissans RC92 and RC89. They probably have some potential.
The best cars I've tried on B-spec on Motegi Speedway is the Sauber Mercedes. It absolutely flies. It lapped the field within 13 laps set on 3/Overtake. The Minolta Toyota is also great, but a bit slower than the Sauber.
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- MikeyDLuffy
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Couln't be bothered to read every post. Finally got 25% and the chance to race enduros. I find there are too many races over 2 hours, which I thought was the perfect amount of time for such a race. Is B spec the only way to race anything from 4 to 24 hours? As I don't have the time to race them in A Spec.
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demon of speed
Yes.
Of course, you can also change back-and-forth from A-Spec to B-Spec on every pit stop if you want to. Lots of players use their B-Spec Bobs as co-drivers. You can switch to x3 speed during the B-Spec stints and shorten the real time. Keep in mind that the game stays with the last settings for each stop, and, after a 4-second delay, proceeds with the pit stop even if you don't click the OK on the pop-up menu. It does not, however, return to x3 speed.
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Hey, Just finished running Sarthe II today. Toyota Minolta, with a super charger, b-spec with lots of points (he's done all my endurance races, plus a few where my dead-cat like reflexes were getting me nowhere). I raised the suspention and softened the shocks, also ran R/SH rear and R/M front, and increased the gearing by 2 clicks (using tyhe presets). Got me a win by 4 laps. I'm using the PAL version.
Definatly seems to be the suspention set up.
Definatly seems to be the suspention set up.
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- MikeyDLuffy
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Zardoz
Cheers thanks for that, I feel relieved now 👍
Am I correct in saying that 3x speed over say 9 hours would be condenced into 3 hours of racing in B spec mode?
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- MikeyDLuffy
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Cheers.
As enduros are my fave races I was a little sad at the prospect of missing out on those races as most of them are 4 hours and above.
As enduros are my fave races I was a little sad at the prospect of missing out on those races as most of them are 4 hours and above.
Update. 22.5 hours in and only 5 laps up. Many spins but mainly late probably due to chassis twisting.
At 4 hours I was already 1.5 laps up.
Also I think I have made a discovery. When you race A-spec at Le Sarthe the straight looks pretty flat with only slight uphill/downhill sections but in the replay you can see it has about 3 highpoints on it. And guess what - that is where the unexplained spins occur. It could be that the car gets slightly airborne over the "small hills"and loses control which is possible at 220mph. And the Merc CLK flipped at the 3rd of these points in real life.
At 4 hours I was already 1.5 laps up.
Also I think I have made a discovery. When you race A-spec at Le Sarthe the straight looks pretty flat with only slight uphill/downhill sections but in the replay you can see it has about 3 highpoints on it. And guess what - that is where the unexplained spins occur. It could be that the car gets slightly airborne over the "small hills"and loses control which is possible at 220mph. And the Merc CLK flipped at the 3rd of these points in real life.
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I didn't have any spins, and only a few ventures off the track when pace was set to 5. Most of the race I kept it at 3 to help conserve tyres and fuel.
I'll try to get the stats later, I'm running the Nurb' 24h at the moment...
I'll try to get the stats later, I'm running the Nurb' 24h at the moment...
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demon of speed
You are right in theory, 3x speed makes game time travel at three times the speed of real time, so 9 hours of racing take three hours, 24 would take 8 hours, etc.
Two things make this not quite accurate in practice. 1) as others have mentioned, after each pitstop, speed returns to 1x, so time will pass at normal pace until you manually set it to 3x again, where it will stay until the next pitstop... so if you sleep for 8 hours while b-spec is driving a 24 hour race, he will only complete 8 hours of the race, not the full 24.
The other thing is that pitstops always happen at normal time, not 3x speed. So in a 24 hour race, if your driver spends a total of, say, 30 minutes pulling into the pits, pitting, and pulling out of the pits in a 24 hour race, then 30 minutes of the 24 hours will pass in real time. The race will therefore take 8 hours and 20 minutes. This is significant when using the Formula GT, which in my experience pits more often than the Group C cars since it cannot run RSH tyres. So cars that are easy on tyres will potentially b-spec any race with a pitstop faster than cars that are hard on tyres.
Zardoz
Will do when I finish the Nurb 24 hours race for about the 64th time. I swear the game picks 3 colours you can not get until your 100th try.
I can remember the rear was max ride height. But remember that it did not eliminate spins. For this car however they did seem to be less often in the first 6 hours or so than normal. I think if I soften the suspension again it may improve some more. Maybe less downforce too but it depends on whether the car gets airborne.
I didnt read all the posts, but Bob going crazy on the long straight happened to me and I have the NTSC version.
This is what I experienced. I started the race in the morning before going to work so I was about 10 hours in when I got home. Checked to see how Bob was doing, and was disappointed to see he was in 1st with only a 30 sec lead. Puzzled knowing that Bob took the same Minolta to a 30+ lap victory at the ring I didnt understand what the problem might be. My Bob has nearly 8000 b-spec points so I wasnt sure what was going on. I watched for awhile and decide to take over at the next pit stop. That ended up being a poor decision.
My lack of attention put me into a couple of the sand traps and my 30 sec lead turned into a 1 min 30 sec deficit. After cursing at the TV I remember the race isnt even half over. So I do my best through another pit stop or two and pull within 15sec of the leader. I figure thats close enough, Bob can take over now. So I start b-specing at x3 and play with the levels trying to close the gap. I dont know its name, but Bob kept going off course on the sharp right hander after the long straight if I kept him on 4. So I made a point of slowing him down to 3 to cure this problem. Again I get to within 15 sec on the long straight and Im about to walk away to get a drink when the sound changes and I hear him decelerating, Im like WTF he should be over 200 mph. Hes riding one the guard rails and almost comes to a complete stop. Now Im 50 sec behind. I repeat my previous plan and after a couple pit stops Im within 15 sec again and the same thing happened. Now Im pissed. I set it to 3 and went to bed hoping for the best. When I woke up I was 6 laps down. My best guess, after reading some of the previous post, is that Bob was trying to turn into the chicanes that dont exist on this race.
I started the race three times once with the Sauber and twice with the Minolta before giving up and putting him in one of my F1s. Finally won with a 5 lap lead. After the first try with the Minolta I thought something might be wrong with the car so I did an oil change and a chassis refresh, but that didnt seem to matter. I may try it again. This time Ill pay more attention and try to determine if there is a specific time and place Bob goes crazy.
This is what I experienced. I started the race in the morning before going to work so I was about 10 hours in when I got home. Checked to see how Bob was doing, and was disappointed to see he was in 1st with only a 30 sec lead. Puzzled knowing that Bob took the same Minolta to a 30+ lap victory at the ring I didnt understand what the problem might be. My Bob has nearly 8000 b-spec points so I wasnt sure what was going on. I watched for awhile and decide to take over at the next pit stop. That ended up being a poor decision.
My lack of attention put me into a couple of the sand traps and my 30 sec lead turned into a 1 min 30 sec deficit. After cursing at the TV I remember the race isnt even half over. So I do my best through another pit stop or two and pull within 15sec of the leader. I figure thats close enough, Bob can take over now. So I start b-specing at x3 and play with the levels trying to close the gap. I dont know its name, but Bob kept going off course on the sharp right hander after the long straight if I kept him on 4. So I made a point of slowing him down to 3 to cure this problem. Again I get to within 15 sec on the long straight and Im about to walk away to get a drink when the sound changes and I hear him decelerating, Im like WTF he should be over 200 mph. Hes riding one the guard rails and almost comes to a complete stop. Now Im 50 sec behind. I repeat my previous plan and after a couple pit stops Im within 15 sec again and the same thing happened. Now Im pissed. I set it to 3 and went to bed hoping for the best. When I woke up I was 6 laps down. My best guess, after reading some of the previous post, is that Bob was trying to turn into the chicanes that dont exist on this race.
I started the race three times once with the Sauber and twice with the Minolta before giving up and putting him in one of my F1s. Finally won with a 5 lap lead. After the first try with the Minolta I thought something might be wrong with the car so I did an oil change and a chassis refresh, but that didnt seem to matter. I may try it again. This time Ill pay more attention and try to determine if there is a specific time and place Bob goes crazy.
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- Wild_Cobra_Z28
Sti04
Not going for all 11?
Colors available:
White/Violet
White/Blue
White/Red/Green
White
Silver/Black (your Grey Black? or am I missing one?)
Yellow/Black
Orange
Red
Dark Green/Yellow
Blue/Black
Black
. But I am afraid I will get repeat colors in the future. Yes I think Greg Black and your Silver Black are the same one. Question to you, how many trys have you took to get all the colors?just doing the formula GT series.
Came across the bumpkin ai computer cars scrapping along the walls quite far short of the braking areas for the first chicane. on both sides of the road!!! was puzzled by this.(always on the out lap after pitting. then went to get a beer, came back, sat down and then there's baw heid in my car doing the same. well done sony!!!!
Came across the bumpkin ai computer cars scrapping along the walls quite far short of the braking areas for the first chicane. on both sides of the road!!! was puzzled by this.(always on the out lap after pitting. then went to get a beer, came back, sat down and then there's baw heid in my car doing the same. well done sony!!!!
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