What makes Nurb hard?

RICHARDO
Am I really the only one that has no trouble driving this track in GT4, regardless of car choice?

What's wrong with me? Why am I so good?

I think I'll go drive the Ring all night now until my PS2 hangs itself. :)
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Okay, but what about your very first time driving the Ring? Sure you know it now and have it mastered, but did you just jump on the track and kick ass, or were you sliding all over into the grass and whatnot? 💡
 
Parnelli Bone
Okay, but what about your very first time driving the Ring? Sure you know it now and have it mastered, but did you just jump on the track and kick ass, or were you sliding all over into the grass and whatnot? 💡
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Honest to God, even though I was worse when I was starting out, I still kicked ass.

I was like a fish to water. :)
 
RICHARDO
Honest to God, even though I was worse when I was starting out, I still kicked ass.

I was like a fish to water. :)
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....and you never drove the Ring in other videogames? and you weren't familiar with it's layout after watching a live race or studying the track? :confused:
 
The only time I've ever seen the track previously to GT4 was PGR2, and we know how accurate THAT one is...

EDIT: I do have to admit, I still **** up the entry to Bergwerk every now and then. :ouch:
 
I'd say that the length is pretty much irrelevant to the difficulty, the narrowness and bumpyness of the track are what makes it difficult IMO.

The length only bothers me in licence tests where you fail when you go off.
 
RICHARDO
The only time I've ever seen the track previously to GT4 was PGR2, and we know how accurate THAT one is...

EDIT: I do have to admit, I still **** up the entry to Bergwerk every now and then. :ouch:
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Well go read my "How did you learn the Ring?" thread if you haven't already. Here was my experience.

1. Parnelli is a complete NEWB as in i've raced lots of tracks but have never done the Ring or even watched a race there on TV.

2. I enter the Pan-Euro races. Nuerburgring happens to be the last track in the series and i've never even driven the ring, and i now had to tackle and learn it in a fully-powered BMW M3 :scared:

3. ...and of course i sucked! I fully admit it, i was lost man! I would use the Jaguar XJ220 as a sort of pace car for awhile, but eventually i'd lose it in the grass or something. The pace was just too fast for my inexperience.

4. After doing license tests (trying for silver and whatnot) i finally started to "get it". Then i entered the 1000 Miles! race in a slowish Honda 1300 S coupe and after several restarts (trying to find a good line-up of Ai to compete against) i started to memorize it. All told, this entire process from step 1 thru step 4 took several weeks. 👍
 
The Ring is the easiest track in GT4 for me simply because it's so unconventional- if that makes any sense.

Your journey to the Ring dosen't sound out of the ordinary at all, the prime way to drive a track is to practice, practice, practice!

And the A.I sucks at the ring Parnelli, aslong as you have the top end, it's in the bag. :)
 
RICHARDO
The Ring is the easiest track in GT4 for me simply because it's so unconventional- if that makes any sense.

Your journey to the Ring dosen't sound out of the ordinary at all, the prime way to drive a track is to practice, practice, practice!

And the A.I sucks at the ring Parnelli, aslong as you have the top end, it's in the bag. :)
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Well RICHARDO, i must say...it makes no sense! :bowdown: You must be the master. The "Ring"-master. :dopey: ha ha
 
I just got FM2 and test drove the ring right away... and in addition to being wider it's completely flat and smooth!

The tricky bit about the ring was always learning the bumps, surfaces changes and most of all the changing cambers... at least GT4 had bumps and cambers making it a bit tricky. I agree with the "rollercoaster" comment... it's about hitting the dips and grooves in the track, which sling you from corner to corner if you get the rhythm right..

I admit I felt kinda cheated in FM2 since that version of the ring is completely spotless and bumpless... Now it's just like a long version of Suzuka. Add that to the weak force feedback in FM2 (yes I have the MS wheel) and the ring is reduced to nothing.
 
I find driving the nurb hard because the track is so bumpy. Some parts of the track have bumps/dips at my braking points, on long fast corners and just before a corner. If my suspension is too hard, I will go off the track.

Also the track is quite narrow so if you make a mistake, even a small one you could end up on the grass and straight into a barrier because the grass strip in most places isnt very wide either.
 
So after racing a while on the Buick Special I thought...

What section is the most challenging to overcome?
What car will help you most in achieving a perfect lap/lap time?

The Special has 500 hp, and it wasn't easy to control it. Especially in shorter straightaways where going 250+ kph made it hard not to lose control.
 
I find the Karussel the hardest part because it's difficult to keep on the banked section at high speed.
 
PeterJB
I find the Karussel the hardest part because it's difficult to keep on the banked section at high speed.
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That's the point of the Karussel..you aren't supposed to be going fast there! (most street cars i notice can only do about 40-ish mph). But as long as you stay in it, youll be going faster than you would if you weren't in it.
 
ChampCarFan
i tend to use the outside of the karussel and pretty much drift around it, you go faster
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No, you do not. The banking was only there to act as drainage, to keep water off the part of the track that the cars used - but then a driver (I forget who, annoyingly) went around the corner on the banking during a race, using it to get a much higher exit speed. Now, everyone does it - you can't get around the corner as quickly without using the banking. Why do you think ovals are banked? ;)

DE
 
Giving a helping hand here, that driver was Rudolf Caracciola. The official name of the corner is Caracciola-Karussell for the very same reason. :)
 
Dark Elite
No, you do not. The banking was only there to act as drainage, to keep water off the part of the track that the cars used - but then a driver (I forget who, annoyingly) went around the corner on the banking during a race, using it to get a much higher exit speed. Now, everyone does it - you can't get around the corner as quickly without using the banking. Why do you think ovals are banked? ;)

DE
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Well that's interesting. So you're saying before he drove on the banking, it hadn't crossed anyone elses mind?
 
Yes, apparently so. There's a first time for everything, and at that time the physics of racing weren't really understood fully. I seem to remember it was in the wet that he tried it, getting even less grip up top than he should have had, he tried something new - and here we are :lol:

Thanks, Greycap. :)

DE
 
Rudy Caracciola was quite an interesting character. He'd do anything that he thought would give him an edge. He once did a section of the Mille Miglia at night with no headlights, so an opponent ahead of him wouldn't realize he was gaining on him.
 

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