What Racing Games Are Better than GT5?

[SebVettelFan]

Yep like many I find F1 2010 a very fun, enjoyable game. CM were getting a lot of stick of people but it is a very good game. Not as good as gt5 IMO just, but it really shouldn't be as close between the 2 considering development time.

 

[Gabkicks]

Richard Burns Rally

GTR2 (fully modded)

rFactor (w/mods)

NFS Shift (PC w/mods: IMO this is the best alternative to GT)

F1 2010 (A very underrated game)

Ferrari Virtual Academy (fun but small)


That is about it. Hopefully FM4 is better than the 3rd. The 3rd game had all these great cars and features but followed them up with horrible track recreations (look at you FM Nurburgring) and more limited wheel support.

each of the games here does at least a few things better than GT5. I'd also Add Live For Speed in. Despite it's age, online racing and telemetry is much easier and more detailed than GT5. Once LFS finally gets updated graphics, physics and content, I may not bother w/ my PS3 anymore.

Just like i didn't care about GT3 or 4 anymore when I 1st got into LFS

 

[Dave x1]

If you think GT5 is king, which racing games have you played so we know what you compare it to.

Forza 3 for 10 months,Grid for 2 years,TDU for about 4 years,GT4 for 4 years,and all NFS since 1999,GT5 wins hands down to compare it with the latest NFS's,and i explained in another thread why i like more GT5 than FM3,about GT4 i dont know,GT4 was a much more hit and great game when it come out than GT5,and still is a great game,anf Grid is the only game that comes close to GT5,is more realistic but lacks so many things,i hope they make a Grid 2 BTW. Can't see why so many ppl are against GT5,is an amazing game.

 

[MowTin]

Pretty much most other racing games have better racing. It'd be nothing more than a fanoby that says the RACING in GT5 is better than any other racing game. I'm not talking about the cars, the graphics, the tracks, but the actual racing.

The actual driving physics are at the core of a racing game. Few people deny that GT5 has the best console physics. And maybe only iRacing and LFS have better physics while totally failing in variety of cars and tracks.

So far people have mentioned:

F1 2010 (fake AI and f1 only)
FM3 (I disagree but a reasonable choice)
TDU 2 (horrible physics even for arcade)
Shift 1. (really? serious steering problems and bouncing cars)
GT 1-4 (none of these have online play or comparable physics)

But when you consider all that GT5 has--F1, Rally, weather, day/night, a living encyclopedia of cars it just beat all those other games out IMO.

But really I just want to hear a concrete game that people really believe is actually better than GT5.

 

[t.o.]

No, I played FM3 with the MS Wheel that's collecting dust in my bedroom. It's MS Wheel vs DFP. They cost nearly the same amount but the DFP blows the MS Wheel out of the water.

Sometimes I question people's replies. I own a G27 and a Fanatec wheel and I also owned the MS Wheel. No doubt the G27 and Fanatec have WAY more powerful motors in than the MS Wheel, and the shifter design decision on the MS Wheel was a complete joke. But here's where the MS Wheel actually BEATS the G27. It does have rumble motors where the logictech's don't. If one has played the MS Wheel/FM3 combo as much as I have you WILL recognize that the extra feedback from these rumble motors adds more immersion to the game that the Logitech's don't do and give them a "hollow" feeling. Fortunately the Fanatec's (the ones that work with the PS3 and 360) DO have these extra motors. Also the MS Wheel is belt driven vs gears with the G27. Belts feel WAY smoother and realistic compared to gear driven. Am I saying the MS Wheel is better than the G27? Hell no. But the MS Wheel DOES do some things right and is not the "complete garbage" people like to repeat.

I was looking forward to it but I read that the AI lap times in F1 2010 are fake. I also got a lot of negative feedback from iRacing fans who like GT5 physics but say F1 2010 is arcade with fake AI laptimes.

The qualifying laps times are simulated in F1 2010. In the real race it's all real time and not faked. Since offline games in GT5 have NO qualifying races before the actual race there's nothing to compare it to on GT5. Since you're not racing against any cars in qualifying it really isn't as egregious as it seems. There are other problems with F1 during qualifying with the A.I.'s behavior but the simulated times isn't a big deal.

You can also find alot of iRacing fans who don't like GT5 and think F1 2010 is pretty good. I know some of them actually. They are strictly F1 now. After running FM3 to death, where they had a wonderful time, we were to go to GT5, after a few races some of our guys have went full time iRacing now. To be honest if I had the spare cash to build a decent dedicated racing rig I would have given it a chance. Still might but it's gonna be difficult to convince the wife after getting the 360 and FM3, F1 2010, Fanatec 911 Turbo S with Clubsports Pedals, G27, PS3 and GT5 and building a racing rig sitting in the middle of the living room half the time, that I need a dedicated computer hooked up to the main screen STRICTLY for racing. I kinda like sleeping in my own bed, not that the couch isn't comfortable. lol

 

[mika haka]

when you look past the hype, you realise most games are better racing games than gt5. I mean, where's the damage, racing regulations and entry limits etc. Plus gt5's rally physics are horrendous and I also think F1 2010 physics are also more realsitic, too much grip in gt5.

My favourites are WRC 2010 (great fun) with F12010 a close second, but you never know this upcoming patch could eventually fix all this and reclaim top spot.

 

[frozzie]

FM isn't even a rival to GT like T10 thinks, they make good physics, AI and customisation but that's as far as they go. They don't care if the tracks are accurate or not, they don't do enough to make racing interesting (e.g. no licences/special events etc), and their career mode is the most boring of all.

 

[Luminis]

But when you consider all that GT5 has--F1, Rally, weather, day/night, a living encyclopedia of cars it just beat all those other games out IMO.

As you pointed out, physics aren't everything. Otherwise, iRacing/LFS/rFactor would be number one.

And GT5 fails at basically everything else. It has good graphics, but even those are highly inconsistent.

It really is just a matter of prefferance. If you want a somewhat 'unbiased' opinion, look at metacritic and watch for games that have a better rating. That's about as close as you'll get.

and their career mode is the most boring of all.

And that's coming from someone who's defending GT5

 

[tigermilk]

You do realize there's a huge difference between racing and driving, right? As a driving game GT is great. As a racing game it is terrible. The AI, albeit improved, is still poor. The difficulty of the AI, unless you severely handicap yourself, is pathetic. E.g., run the Ferrari F1 challenge and you can easily beat equally spec'ed cars. I have yet to lose on an arcade race. From the pure racing view, I can name dozens of games better than GT5 - FM3, FM2, Pro Race Driver, F1:CE, Ferrari Challenge, the Moto GP series, PGR, even Mario Kart for crying out loud.

Edit - other things which keep GT5 in the bottom rung of "racing" (not "driving") games - poor collision physics and lack of damage.

 

[GeneralJesh]

To OP
Gran Turismo a racing game ? The best one ? What the **** are you smoking ?

 

[strikieg]

Richard Burns Rally

GTR2 (fully modded)

rFactor (w/mods)

NFS Shift (PC w/mods: IMO this is the best alternative to GT)

F1 2010 (A very underrated game)

Ferrari Virtual Academy (fun but small)


That is about it. Hopefully FM4 is better than the 3rd. The 3rd game had all these great cars and features but followed them up with horrible track recreations (look at you FM Nurburgring) and more limited wheel support.

Richard Burns Rally and the F1 2009 mod from IPM for rFactor are pretty much the best sim racing experiences you can have. 👍

 

[Samus]

The actual driving physics are at the core of a racing game. Few people deny that GT5 has the best console physics. And maybe only iRacing and LFS have better physics while totally failing in variety of cars and tracks.

So far people have mentioned:

F1 2010 (fake AI and f1 only)
FM3 (I disagree but a reasonable choice)
TDU 2 (horrible physics even for arcade)
Shift 1. (really? serious steering problems and bouncing cars)
GT 1-4 (none of these have online play or comparable physics)

But when you consider all that GT5 has--F1, Rally, weather, day/night, a living encyclopedia of cars it just beat all those other games out IMO.

But really I just want to hear a concrete game that people really believe is actually better than GT5.

Not going to disagree with that, but it's how GT5 uses that physics engine that is the problem. It's great for driving yourself, but for racing, it's useless, thanks to useless AI mainly.

GRID has stupid arcade physics but the racing itself is far better than GT5. Shift I'll agree on, bad physics and bad destruction derby racing thanks the AI. There are numerous games with better RACING than GT5 though.

Also can I just add, F1 2010 only has 'fake' AI in practice and qualifying, in the races themselves they're very much real.

 

[deftonesmx17]

F1 2010 (A very underrated game)

Indeed. I'll even admit at first I somewhat let it collect dust, but once I really got down with it, I've been trying to figure out what all the reviewers were smoking. It's been a long long time since I enjoyed not placing first all the time in a racing game.

 

[t.o.]

FM isn't even a rival to GT like T10 thinks, they make good physics, AI and customisation but that's as far as they go. They don't care if the tracks are accurate or not, they don't do enough to make racing interesting (e.g. no licences/special events etc), and their career mode is the most boring of all.

FM is a HUGE rival to GT and if GT isn't careful FM4 has an opporunity to be king at least until we see what happens with GT6 or if they patch up GT5 in time. GT5's physics are the one thing that gives it some bragging rights, but do you REALLY think that it's impossible for FM to put those same physics in play? Let's get real now, it isn't like FM has slot-car physics and GT5 if you close your eye you swear you're in real car. FM's physics are very, VERY close to what GT5 is doing and in the time since FM3 dropped till FM4 comes out they can easily get to that point and even refine them. If this happens the only thing GT5 will have left to hang their hats on is graphics and again it isn't like FM3 looks like:

See the problem is I'm rooting for both games, all games. As long as there is competition these games can only get better (or at least that's what I thought until this game dropped). I want these companies to be at each others throat trying to make the best game. If this happen WE WIN. Now if FM4 drops and it's nothing more than a poor FM3 re-hash with Kinect then I'll be pissed. If they do this then it gives PD no incentive to "win" and we lose.

 

[reaperman]

But really I just want to hear a concrete game that people really believe is actually better than GT5.

How many more do you need? You asked for opinions and dismissed them all.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Sometimes I question people's replies. I own a G27 and a Fanatec wheel and I also owned the MS Wheel. No doubt the G27 and Fanatec have WAY more powerful motors in than the MS Wheel, and the shifter design decision on the MS Wheel was a complete joke. But here's where the MS Wheel actually BEATS the G27. It does have rumble motors where the logictech's don't. If one has played the MS Wheel/FM3 combo as much as I have you WILL recognize that the extra feedback from these rumble motors adds more immersion to the game that the Logitech's don't do and give them a "hollow" feeling. Fortunately the Fanatec's (the ones that work with the PS3 and 360) DO have these extra motors. Also the MS Wheel is belt driven vs gears with the G27. Belts feel WAY smoother and realistic compared to gear driven. Am I saying the MS Wheel is better than the G27? Hell no. But the MS Wheel DOES do some things right and is not the "complete garbage" people like to repeat.



The qualifying laps times are simulated in F1 2010. In the real race it's all real time and not faked. Since offline games in GT5 have NO qualifying races before the actual race there's nothing to compare it to on GT5. Since you're not racing against any cars in qualifying it really isn't as egregious as it seems. There are other problems with F1 during qualifying with the A.I.'s behavior but the simulated times isn't a big deal.

You can also find alot of iRacing fans who don't like GT5 and think F1 2010 is pretty good. I know some of them actually. They are strictly F1 now. After running FM3 to death, where they had a wonderful time, we were to go to GT5, after a few races some of our guys have went full time iRacing now. To be honest if I had the spare cash to build a decent dedicated racing rig I would have given it a chance. Still might but it's gonna be difficult to convince the wife after getting the 360 and FM3, F1 2010, Fanatec 911 Turbo S with Clubsports Pedals, G27, PS3 and GT5 and building a racing rig sitting in the middle of the living room half the time, that I need a dedicated computer hooked up to the main screen STRICTLY for racing. I kinda like sleeping in my own bed, not that the couch isn't comfortable. lol

A computer to play iRacing does not cost much. You could get a computer for £200 that could play iRacing maxxed out or for about £100 a computer that plays it reasonably well. However the cost you should be worried about is the subscription costs.

Back to the question, Super Mario Kart is a way better game than GT5 in terms of racing offline. However GT5 is a better driving game in terms of realism .

 

[Samus]

FM isn't even a rival to GT like T10 thinks, they make good physics, AI and customisation but that's as far as they go. They don't care if the tracks are accurate or not, they don't do enough to make racing interesting (e.g. no licences/special events etc), and their career mode is the most boring of all.

How do licenses and special events make the RACING interesting? I think people are confusing driving and racing here.

 

[rampageturke]

But really I just want to hear a concrete game that people really believe is actually better than GT5.

ToCA 3

 

[t.o.]

A computer to play iRacing does not cost much. You could get a computer for £200 that could play iRacing maxxed out or for about £100 a computer that plays it reasonably well. However the cost you should be worried about is the subscription costs.

I think I can swing that. I've had some sudden expenses come up that just about wiped me out as far as discretionary spending goes, family. Also if I did go with iRacing I'm VERY much interested in going 3 screen. I think that might work because it would give the wife the living room back and I'll be back in my man-cave racing. I'd like to do 3 screen in the living room but putting up two more 60" TV's at an angle would look ridiculous. lol

 

[MowTin]

You do realize there's a huge difference between racing and driving, right? As a driving game GT is great. As a racing game it is terrible. The AI, albeit improved, is still poor. The difficulty of the AI, unless you severely handicap yourself, is pathetic. E.g., run the Ferrari F1 challenge and you can easily beat equally spec'ed cars. I have yet to lose on an arcade race. From the pure racing view, I can name dozens of games better than GT5 - FM3, FM2, Pro Race Driver, F1:CE, Ferrari Challenge, the Moto GP series, PGR, even Mario Kart for crying out loud.

I guess when I think of racing game I think about the physics and racing against humans not AI. iRacing and LFS only offer online racing because really that's the core.

According to your standard Mario Kart is better than iRacing because of the challenging AI races against Luigi.

And your list contains FM2, PGR and Mario Kart. It's hard to take you seriously when you include those games.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

The actual driving physics are at the core of a racing game. Few people deny that GT5 has the best console physics. And maybe only iRacing and LFS have better physics while totally failing in variety of cars and tracks.

So far people have mentioned:

F1 2010 (fake AI and f1 only)
FM3 (I disagree but a reasonable choice)
TDU 2 (horrible physics even for arcade)
Shift 1. (really? serious steering problems and bouncing cars)
GT 1-4 (none of these have online play or comparable physics)

But when you consider all that GT5 has--F1, Rally, weather, day/night, a living encyclopedia of cars it just beat all those other games out IMO.

But really I just want to hear a concrete game that people really believe is actually better than GT5.

The thread should've been closed after this statement. It's clear you don't really understand the concept of a question.

 

[porsche 9146]

forza 3 is the only game on consoles that is arguably better than GT5. it doesn't offer the selected tracks night racing, two or three rally stages, licensed WRC, licensed NASCAR, one or two F1 cars, open-wheeled cars or selected tracks weather, but it does offer a more robust online experience, a livery editor, a functioning in-game economy that's held up suprisingly well, 480 cars with functioning cockpits and 20 cars with cockpits, but gauges that do not work, engine swaps, more robust upgrading options, all of the cars that raced in the ALMS GT for 2010 (except the new C6.r GT), all of the cars in the DTM, all of the cars in the V8 supercar series, all of the previous generation NASCAR stock cars except the toyotas, all of the factory LMS prototypes, most of the SUPER GT GT500 cars (only missing the new HSV-010 GT) and 32 porsches (not as important to some people, but that's what makes the game for me).

the only real competitors on the console are shift (which is horribly unrealistic and offers poor variety), GRiD (again, unrealistic, also now three years old) and F1 2010 (essentially features one car), and none of those are really competitive with FM3 or GT5, so to answer your question, just FM3, and it's not so much better as it is "greater than or equal to".

 

[Exorcet]

iRacing is probably the best candidate, though I haven't gotten a chance to sit down with it yet. The lack of single player anything is truly a plus to me. GTR2 demo was great, the AI seemed much better than GT's, and the physics were probably a bit better too. I didn't see anything to complain about, but it wasn't the full game.

Forza 3 is just below GT5. Forza just has overly grippy physics on low power cars like in past GT's and a very bad online (unless you had a group of 20 friends always online). Stick to race cars in Forza and give it GT5 like online and it would practically be the same thing.

 

[t.o.]

The thread should've been closed after this statement. It's clear you don't really understand the concept of a question.

I think he clearly understands what's what, just not interested.

 

[CarreraGT]

Richard Burns Rally - Best rally game period. Even 7 years on its the most realistic rally game ever made and still heaps of mods being released. makes GT5's rally look like ridiculous (which it is)

Rfactor - Ditto with mods, much better than GT5 in terms of actual racing

GTR 2 - Haven't played GTR Evolution, but this game is right up there in terms of physics and sound, and AI is better that GT5 and plenty of mod support

F1 2010 - As people have mentioned, a very underrated game with excellent graphics, physics and better AI than GT5. Looking forward to F1 2011

Forza 3 - Not quite as good as GT5 in terms of physics or graphics, but a much more polished game overall with better customisation etc. Really looking forward to FM4

And I haven't played iRacing but from what I've seen it looks like an amazing sim.

So yeah GT5 has some stiff competition

 

[Devedander]

Skipping over that better is subjective you have to separate better in everything with better in certain things.

Ultimately its not realistic to be better in everything, but even looking at bullet points:

Physics richard burns rally
Single player Forza, toca, shift the list is extensive
Menu design almost every game I can think of
Flow (ie accessing tuning/gameplay/information areas) forza's menus, quick tunes, multiple tunes and access all come to mind.
Sound forza, shift, lots of games
Tracks previous gts shift toca etc
Wheel support dirt iracing etc (g27 etc)

You can see how this could go on...

 

[Bloodmack]

I've been wanting to try TDU2 but i hear its plauged with bugs. FM3 may have the steering assist you can't turn off, but variety? the customization in FM3 beats GT5 ten fold. IMO FM3 is more of a racing game then GT5 at the moment anyways.

 

[t.o.]

forza 3 is the only game on consoles that is arguably better than GT5. it doesn't offer the selected tracks night racing, two or three rally stages, licensed WRC, licensed NASCAR, one or two F1 cars, open-wheeled cars or selected tracks weather, but it does offer a more robust online experience, a livery editor, a functioning in-game economy that's held up suprisingly well, 480 cars with functioning cockpits and 20 cars with cockpits, but gauges that do not work, engine swaps, more robust upgrading options, all of the cars that raced in the ALMS GT for 2010 (except the new C6.r GT), all of the cars in the DTM, all of the cars in the V8 supercar series, all of the previous generation NASCAR stock cars except the toyotas, all of the factory LMS prototypes, most of the SUPER GT GT500 cars (only missing the new HSV-010 GT) and 32 porsches (not as important to some people, but that's what makes the game for me).

the only real competitors on the console are shift (which is horribly unrealistic and offers poor variety), GRiD (again, unrealistic, also now three years old) and F1 2010 (essentially features one car), and none of those are really competitive with FM3 or GT5, so to answer your question, just FM3, and it's not so much better as it is "greater than or equal to".

THIS, THIS, THIS and more of THIS. And this is RACING! And THIS is what is stabbing GT5 in the back repeatedly in my opinion. It takes NO effort to gather up a group of guys and recreate an actual racing series in FM3. All the cars come ready to roll and are competitive in stock form against each other.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

I think he clearly understands what's what, just not interested.

In the answers. So the question was pointless, hence my post.

Either way, I would say FM3 is better than GT5 even now and I genuinely regret buying a PS3 simply for one game. GT5 is not a racing game, it's a [very boring] driving simulator. I can't imagine Turn 10 making a balls up of FM4, and I have no doubt that will be my next racing game.

 

[tigermilk]

I guess when I think of racing game I think about the physics and racing against humans not AI. iRacing and LFS only offer online racing because really that's the core.

According to your standard Mario Kart is better than iRacing because of the challenging AI races against Luigi.

And your list contains FM2, PGR and Mario Kart. It's hard to take you seriously when you include those games.

Have you actually played PGR? One of the best racing games on the Xbox, either online against humans or offline against bots. When I think of a great racing game, I think of a game that requires my full mental concentration. Sadly I can "race" in GT5 relaxed, laying on the couch. There's no excitement, no edge of the seat experience.