What wheel will you be using

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7HO
People who think the G29 is not worth buying over previous Logitech wheels are talking rubbish and probably haven't tried them side by side.
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So ISR don't know what they're talking about when they did this side-by-side comparison of the G27 and G29 and said that the G29 is not that much different from the G27, even calling the G29 a "rebranded G27"? Not to mention, they discuss the issue of how the G27 could have been compatible with PS4 racing games.



MCFerocious
Chill out mate. That's just nasty.
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Calling people on the Internet stupid for having a different view isn't exactly nice either.

@Mike_grpA: I originally liked your post because I agree with you that the G29 is not much of a jump from the G27 but I'm taking it back because people might take it the wrong way. I don't want things to get more personal than they already are.
 
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Master Weasel
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Calling people on the Internet stupid for having a different view isn't exactly nice either.

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Yeah, but people on the internet are stupid. Because people. :D

Regurgitating "facts" as though they researched them personally is stupid. I think that was the point being made. I don't recall it being aimed at anyone in particular, I could be mistaken.



The ISR video (thanks for sharing) lists differences between the G29 and G27 in practice, ergo they are not the same. Whether those differences make a significant difference to any individual is a matter of opinion, and that's fine.

I think any way of eliminating gear lash would work wonders on the G25 / G27 / G29, incidentally.
 
I almost bought a G29, but Logitech's decision to just ignore their previous owners was too much for me. So decide to give Thrustmaster another chance.

My T500 arrived i i gave it a try with PCars, i only decreased the Tyre force to 70 and the FFB to , i think, have to take a look at it.

I do have to say, while cornering the FFb is amazing, but on the straights... almost no FFb, but it is the games fault, not the wheel, with the T300 was the same thing, i'm gonna play a little more than i talk about T500 vs T300 feelings.
 
Cocomoto
I almost bought a G29, but Logitech's decision to just ignore their previous owners was too much for me. So decide to give Thrustmaster another chance.

My T500 arrived i i gave it a try with PCars, i only decreased the Tyre force to 70 and the FFB to , i think, have to take a look at it.

I do have to say, while cornering the FFb is amazing, but on the straights... almost no FFb, but it is the games fault, not the wheel, with the T300 was the same thing, i'm gonna play a little more than i talk about T500 vs T300 feelings.
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Default settings for the Thrustmaster wheels have a gain setting lower down the list at 2.0. Putting it at 1.0 and increasing tire force gives a much better balance of forces and gives you much more FFB feel (at least for me on PC, don't have pCARS for the PS4).
 
I'll give it a try!!

I my fear is to set the FFB settings too high and the wheel break, since the myth(or fact?) that Pcars meltdown the T300, and maybe this can occurs with the T500.
 
Mike_grpA
saying "people on the internet are stupid" just because they don't have the same view as you says a lot about your character, as does the sheer amount of ranting and raving you do every time someone disagrees with you, or simply doesn't blindly accept your every word as gospel.
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Most of the comments were made based on specs by people who never tried the wheel and plenty of people still do the same, some are just regurgitating rubbish they saw on the internet. In fact other than people like ISR and one other person who made comments based on an engineering sample I haven't seen comments from people who have actually had both. And here is a little known fact about the engineering samples, it turns out they were just modified G27's and some were even buggy, so people who reviewed and compared those were not actually comparing G29's with G27's but many people's opinions were shaped by those comparisons.

So this isn't about people who have different views than me. The people I refer to as stupid are those who believe everything they find on the internet without any personal experience and the people who don't try to verify the things they read. The internet is full of stupid people, people who believe cut onions catch all disease out of the air and can cure people with disease, people who believe the oceans are salty because of whale sperm and plenty of other crazy rubbish they read on facebook or even find on sites they trust. When it comes to hardware the internet follows a predictable pattern and the G29 was a perfect example of that pattern.

The G29 has better pedals than the G27. It is quieter and smoother. It is easier to set up and the software is greatly improved. You can now map force curves in LGS. It has more buttons on the wheel where they are far more easily accessible. The new sensor on the wheel fixes the issue of the old wheels which has been an issue on every Logitech wheel I have had and I hate pulling apart these wheels so this is an even more reliable wheel than the previous wheels that are known for their reliability.

Master Weasel
So ISR don't know what they're talking about when they did this side-by-side comparison of the G27 and G29 and said that the G29 is not that much different from the G27, even calling the G29 a "rebranded G27"? Not to mention, they discuss the issue of how the G27 could have been compatible with PS4 racing games.
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TLDR version: No ISR proved in that video they didn't know what they are talking about but it isn't the first time.

In the video they Showed an example of the clackity clack they described with things jumping around on the stand such as the keyboard so there is no way of determining where the sound is coming from but I can say even my loudest Logitech wheel doesn't come close to being that noisy and the G29 is the quietest of them all.

When they thought the wheels felt the same but then did back to back testing they found the G29 felt smoother but then they played with G27 setting and once again felt that changing the settings made them feel the same but didn't check this back to back. Then they said they "think" the G29 might be a little smoother but not much more, not back to back testing, just they think so. Unlike my testing where I have had both on rigs side by side at the same time so I can jump from one to the other.

What they said about the software was not accurate. The statement about the limitations of the LGS software wasn't accurate as you can adjust more than just degrees of rotation. What they said about mapping also wasn't accurate, mapping worked for me out of the box and I have used it from day one. The Assumption that the new settings were based off the community settings wasn't accurate and easy to prove since the community settings have no center spring but the G29 has full center spring by default and simply allows the sim to override this setting which by the way is how I always set my older Logitech wheels just with the center spring turned down some so that the wheel is always centered when I enter a game. Even now that this functionality has been added to the G29 I still have my G29 center spring set to 10% so it always returns to center outside of the sim. But despite their wrong assumptions they did point out something obvious, the software was much easier to use and designed for people like them who don't know what they are doing so that you now get the optimal experience out of the box without changing anything. Here are some other things they missed. Setting wheel profiles is now easier than ever, setting macros and setting different key mappings is now easier than ever.

Then he said shift lights did not work yet with everything but they were talking about iRacing and it was a bug in iRacing not the wheel, the G27 and other wheels had the same problem with the same cars and if they had of done more testing they would have worked this out, the problem was quickly fixed by iRacing. However they did criticise lack of early game support and said they think such a big company should have worked with developers to make sure launch day support was there and yes it didn't work with everything at launch but this was quickly addressed by developers after launch and the idea that this was a fault of Logitech is ridiculous, this is absolutely normal and hardware manufacturers can't possibly ensure perfect integration with every title at release, we have seen the same thing with other hardware releases.

When they say it could have been compatible on the PS4, once again they were wrong and Fanatec have proven they were wrong. This decision had nothing to do with Logitech. In fact this was obvious because previous to the launch Logitech had announced no more console support due to the issues of dealing with the consoles which would have been referring to their licensed hardware policies. Logitech changed their mind and decided to comply with these policies and that is why we got the G29. Now Fanatec are doing the same thing that Logitech did. So they criticise Logitech for doing the right thing and following the rules. The simple fact is they were wrong, Fanatec were wrong and have now changed, Logitech were right all along and were unfairly criticised. The simple fact is the general public do not know why this is a Sony policy, they do not know if this is a Immersion licensing issue and they only know what they want and complain when things are not done their way but some people will not be so easily mislead. Some people will evaluate the situation and consider if there may be reasons. Obviously in the case of Logitech there was because we all knew Logitech originally spat the dummy because they did not like the console hardware policies.

And the way ISR addressed this should make any intelligent person realise all this. Because Darin even mentioned how Logitech originally backed out of the console market. Then Darin makes assumptions and draws his own conclusions and makes a pretty nasty accusation, that alone should point out how much weight anything he says should be given. And a lot of the community has very little respect for Darin only because of Darin, because of the things Darin says and this is just another example of that. But like I said Fanatec's own statements have proven Logitech were right and Darin was wrong and now Fanatec are doing exactly the same thing Logitech have done, they have removed any reference to PS4 support from their other wheels and only their new PS4 wheel will be advertised as a PS4 wheel as Sony have requested. We don't know the specifics of why it needs to be like this, the most logical explanation is that it might have something to do with Immersion licensing issues so I think it is wrong to jump to conclusions as Darin has but very very wrong to accuse a company of being deceptive without evidence especially when there are logical explanations for what happened. But now the evidence favours Logitech and not Darin yet I doubt we will ever see an apology and I doubt we will ever see a change in the way Darin behaves.

Then in Darin's summary he says that he would have liked to see more of an evolution but only mentions belt driven and the ability to change wheels. So out of these 2 things he wants Logitech to stop doing the thing that makes them different, their drive system is one of the things that makes their wheels what they are and in testing against the belt driven wheels they have shown the lowest lag wheel. Who has won the most iRacing world champs? But still people think "yeah what he said".

Griffith500
Regurgitating "facts" as though they researched them personally is stupid. I think that was the point being made.
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Thank you.
Cocomoto
I almost bought a G29, but Logitech's decision to just ignore their previous owners was too much for me. So decide to give Thrustmaster another chance.
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It really wasn't their decision.

Cocomoto
My T500 arrived i i gave it a try with PCars, i only decreased the Tyre force to 70 and the FFB to , i think, have to take a look at it.

I do have to say, while cornering the FFb is amazing, but on the straights... almost no FFb, but it is the games fault, not the wheel, with the T300 was the same thing, i'm gonna play a little more than i talk about T500 vs T300 feelings.
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This is a belt drive wheel thing. Logitech dead zone is deliberate to reduce oscillation. With belt drive wheels dead zones are an issue created by using a belt. The problem is the belt spends most of its life in the same position and that causes it to harden and form in that position, this results in a non linear experience similar to Logitech dead zone. All belt driven wheels will be a victim to this to some degree and is a prime example of why Logitech shifting to belt over gears isn't necessarily an upgrade as some people assume. Both drive systems have their pros and cons, direct drive is superior to both but requires a more expensive motor.
 
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7HO
tl;dr except for this: The new sensor on the wheel fixes the issue of the old wheels which has been an issue on every Logitech wheel I have had and I hate pulling apart these wheels so this is an even more reliable wheel than the previous wheels that are known for their reliability.
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"Even more reliable than previous logitech wheels that for known for their reliability", yet every Logitech wheel you've had you had to pull apart to fix the same issue. Makes sense. I also had the same issue with my G27 as did several others around here I recall. Not exactly bulletproof reliability.
 
I just have one question; does anyone know whether the G29 wheel is an 'official' or 'approved' wheel for either the PS4 or for an official racing title?

Thanks
 
Cocomoto
I'll give it a try!!

I my fear is to set the FFB settings too high and the wheel break, since the myth(or fact?) that Pcars meltdown the T300, and maybe this can occurs with the T500.
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T500 will only break your arms.
With T300 be very careful with the ffb. I kept it at 80% with Jack Spade's tweakers.
I prefer the T300 which is more sensitive and it has the gear paddles integrated with the wheel.
I now have the second T300 in use (the first broke down in the second day of Pcars' launch).
So, T300 will be my wheel in GTSport.
 
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Just came back from Canada, where I bought a G29 plus a TH8a shifter. I hope everything works ok.
 
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So, i'm going to talk about what i think about the T500 vs T300. My english isn't that good so i may not express what i want in the right way.

  • How smooth they are comparing each other?

    When i bought my T300 i read on reviews all over the internet how smooth and better responsive the wheel was/is if compared to the T500. While they are turned off, that is true, the T300 moves so smoothly and the T500 seems to be a lot more heavier. While playing, it's not the case, i was happily surprised how smooth and precise the T500 is, while first playing with it.
    The two industrial motors on it does a amazing job, especially when i try to drift, the counter steer goes really naturally and most of the time i only have to stop the wheel in the right spot to maintain the angle(as long as Pcars let it).

  • The wheel size.

    Judging by the videos that i saw on the internet, i thought that the difference between then would be huge but, that's not the case. Is better to have a bigger wheel but it's not that different when you look at then together. The feeling is a bit better with T500, is more close to the size of real car, but only if i think about i'll notice difference.

  • Shift paddles.

    I always played with shift paddles that moves with the wheel, having those fixed paddles on the T500 is a little bit awkward at the beginning, at the first laps with the wheel i caught myself up-shifting while turning right when i wanted to down-shift instead. But i got used to it very quick, after 1-2 hours no problems with that. But i prefer the moving paddles for sure.

  • FFB. Which is better?

    Well, that was something that surprised me, as i said about the smoothness of the wheel, while i read about it on the internet, most of the reviews, even some owners of the T300, said that the FFB on the T300 have better feeling because of the brushless FFB technology but, i didn't felt any major difference between then. In fact, i prefer the FFB form the T500. At a previous post of myself, i said that the wheel on the straights feel kind of "dead", but i had dead zone set to 1 and i didn't notice it.
    After putting it to 0, the wheel felt great in every condition while playing, sometimes while the car slides and i had to make a huge oversteer to correct it, i had to make some effort and fight against the wheel, but i only notice that when playing with the BMW 320 WTCC, with the BMW 1M coupe it felt great, even the drift physics(or maybe standard car setup) on pcars isn't that good.
    I'll borrow a friend's PS3 and test it with GT6 and have a better opinion about later.


  • The clamp.

    With my homemade cockpit, in order to the T300 been "steady" i had to hard mount it and i used the clamp together just to be sure. With the T500, the clamp is enough!!
    That was i really good surprise for me, since i lost the screws and i'm too lazy to buy another ones. The clamp of both wheel looks pretty much the same, maybe is the difference(and it's huge) between the base size, the T500 is a lot bigger than the T300 and it looks pretty solid.

  • PS4 support.

    Not have a native support on the PS4 is a let down for the T500, but for me, it's not a determinate fact, i have to always let my DS4 near me, when a friend send a invite and i press the wheel's PS button is a little annoying but, i think it worth it.

In the overall, the T500 felt better to me, especially about reliability, my T300 didn't last 1 year, i bought this used T500 that allready has 3 years of use, but it looks pretty solid and with no major problems. If i got myself into a T500 from the start, i would saved a lot of money, and my F1 TH8A would still with me and now i could get the F1 add on with the money spent in the "new wheel" and the rest i could buy A LOT of games...
 
syntex123
Nice. How much is the shifter? If you're planning on getting it. I want this wheel too but boyyy I can't afford anything right now. (Glad I afforded the Collectors Edition of GTS though. :))
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Here you can get the shifter for around $70 NZD. I'm not too bothered with the shifter myself - my G27 had one of course but I barely used it - I just found it too inconsistant with GT6 but that was probably down to GT6's clutch implementation being not so great.
The G27 shifter does function with the G29 apparently, just the buttons on the shifter don't work. ;)
 
Cocomoto
So, i'm going to talk about what i think about the T500 vs T300. My english isn't that good so i may not express what i want in the right way.

  • How smooth they are comparing each other?

    When i bought my T300 i read on reviews all over the internet how smooth and better responsive the wheel was/is if compared to the T500. While they are turned off, that is true, the T300 moves so smoothly and the T500 seems to be a lot more heavier. While playing, it's not the case, i was happily surprised how smooth and precise the T500 is, while first playing with it.
    The two industrial motors on it does a amazing job, especially when i try to drift, the counter steer goes really naturally and most of the time i only have to stop the wheel in the right spot to maintain the angle(as long as Pcars let it).

  • The wheel size.

    Judging by the videos that i saw on the internet, i thought that the difference between then would be huge but, that's not the case. Is better to have a bigger wheel but it's not that different when you look at then together. The feeling is a bit better with T500, is more close to the size of real car, but only if i think about i'll notice difference.

  • Shift paddles.

    I always played with shift paddles that moves with the wheel, having those fixed paddles on the T500 is a little bit awkward at the beginning, at the first laps with the wheel i caught myself up-shifting while turning right when i wanted to down-shift instead. But i got used to it very quick, after 1-2 hours no problems with that. But i prefer the moving paddles for sure.

  • FFB. Which is better?

    Well, that was something that surprised me, as i said about the smoothness of the wheel, while i read about it on the internet, most of the reviews, even some owners of the T300, said that the FFB on the T300 have better feeling because of the brushless FFB technology but, i didn't felt any major difference between then. In fact, i prefer the FFB form the T500. At a previous post of myself, i said that the wheel on the straights feel kind of "dead", but i had dead zone set to 1 and i didn't notice it.
    After putting it to 0, the wheel felt great in every condition while playing, sometimes while the car slides and i had to make a huge oversteer to correct it, i had to make some effort and fight against the wheel, but i only notice that when playing with the BMW 320 WTCC, with the BMW 1M coupe it felt great, even the drift physics(or maybe standard car setup) on pcars isn't that good.
    I'll borrow a friend's PS3 and test it with GT6 and have a better opinion about later.


  • The clamp.

    With my homemade cockpit, in order to the T300 been "steady" i had to hard mount it and i used the clamp together just to be sure. With the T500, the clamp is enough!!
    That was i really good surprise for me, since i lost the screws and i'm too lazy to buy another ones. The clamp of both wheel looks pretty much the same, maybe is the difference(and it's huge) between the base size, the T500 is a lot bigger than the T300 and it looks pretty solid.

  • PS4 support.

    Not have a native support on the PS4 is a let down for the T500, but for me, it's not a determinate fact, i have to always let my DS4 near me, when a friend send a invite and i press the wheel's PS button is a little annoying but, i think it worth it.

In the overall, the T500 felt better to me, especially about reliability, my T300 didn't last 1 year, i bought this used T500 that allready has 3 years of use, but it looks pretty solid and with no major problems. If i got myself into a T500 from the start, i would saved a lot of money, and my F1 TH8A would still with me and now i could get the F1 add on with the money spent in the "new wheel" and the rest i could buy A LOT of games...
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Thanks for the review Coco. Really helpful in deciding on what wheel to get in the future. I'll definitely take this into consideration. :cheers:
 
Nato_777
Here you can get the shifter for around $70 NZD. I'm not too bothered with the shifter myself - my G27 had one of course but I barely used it - I just found it too inconsistant with GT6 but that was probably down to GT6's clutch implementation being not so great.
The G27 shifter does function with the G29 apparently, just the buttons on the shifter don't work. ;)
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Too bad the G25 shifter probably won't work. I have a dusty G25 somewhere.. Oh well. Thanks for the info mate! :)
 
7HO
The T3PA pedals are roughly the equivalent of G29 pedals however they are adjustable and there is a load cell mod you can grab for them.
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There is an adapter you can use your G25/27/29 Pedals on a Thrustmaster wheel. I had these once and it works perfect. But after the T3PA Pro Pedals, Logitech just looks like cheap toys to me.
 
edbenz27
I've only been playing sims for about a year now. I just got a wheel (G29) and I'm practicing the "world locations" confirmed tracks for GTS, in project cars for PS4. Wondering if anyone wanted to race sometime? Looking for other people with wheels to play against so I can get better.

PSN: edbenz27
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If you like, I can add you. Live in Europe and usually online at the evening from 8pm till half past 10 in road C2/1, B class on several tracks, but mainly on the Ring.
 
Fanatec CSW V2, BMW wheel rim, and Clubsport V2 peddles. Oh wait....There will probably be no support for Fanatec products. LOL :grumpy:
 
FMW
Fanatec CSW V2, BMW wheel rim, and Clubsport V2 peddles. Oh wait....There will probably be no support for Fanatec products. LOL :grumpy:
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Sad but true! Well my csw v2/Forza rim and xbox one hub with v3 pedals works very well on every game i own besides DriveClub which is another Sony mess with wheel support!
 
Octopuss_911
If you like, I can add you. Live in Europe and usually online at the evening from 8pm till half past 10 in road C2/1, B class on several tracks, but mainly on the Ring.
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I need a lot more practice on the ring. and im usually working at those times:(
 
rclark83
Thats not very good. Why did they treat you like crap? When my fan on t500 started making a grinding noise i contacted thrustmaster and they sent me a replacement plus fitting instructions within 2 weeks i was a very happy customer.
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When I contacted them at first, they were great. They sent me an app to calibrate my wheel and make sure it was operating correctly and another item to help as well. The problem was that there was an issue with the accelerator only giving me roughly half the acceleration I should have had. I did everything they said to do and had them on the phone when I was doing it and they suddenly didn't believe me. They wanted me to show them a video of every step I took so they could determine whether I was the "problem" instead of the unit. I don't know about you, but being treated as though I'm an incompetent fool doesn't sit well with me at all. Also, they refused to exchange my unit until I did the video. There are several expletives I'd like to use in this comment on how I truly feel about them, but I'm being nice and not getting myself kicked off the forum.
 
Sounds like perfectly normal customer support to me. CS personnel tend to have little idea of technical detail but need to complete intake forms before they can pass a request on. If their form needs a video reproducing the problem, which takes a couple of minutes to make, is that such a big deal?
 

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