What wheel will you be using

[edbenz27]

@edbenz27 you want to head over to the project cars but on the forum and join "crap league" but the best online racing is with NXT GEN racing on Facebook. Really fast guys. Or head to the official project cars affiliates at APEX online racing

Thanks for the info! I'll check that out.

 

[Revoy]

Still impatiently waiting on @Cocomoto and his comparison between the T300 and T500 - Any minute now.

 

[nhraracer]

[QUOTE="7HO,



You probably wont be purchasing it then, I doubt GTS will support Fanatec wheels.[/QUOTE]


What a joke! Might as well off the ps4. I was holding onto it for GT, but if Fanatec support is not available then the ps4 is useless.

 

[7HO]

What a joke! Might as well off the ps4. I was holding onto it for GT, but if Fanatec support is not available then the ps4 is useless.

Well you can only blame Fanatec if GTS doesn't support their wheels. There is a process they can take to create a PS4 wheel but they don't seem interested. Logitech were also stubborn at first but they came around because clearly the console market is too big to ignore.

 

[nhraracer]

Well you can only blame Fanatec if GTS doesn't support their wheels. There is a process they can take to create a PS4 wheel but they don't seem interested. Logitech were also stubborn at first but they came around because clearly the console market is too big to ignore.

It's a simple software which the developer has to integrate into the game. If SMS and Codemasters can do it ( f1 2015 and pcars) then surely Kaz can do it?!

 

[7HO]

It's a simple software which the developer has to integrate into the game. If SMS and Codemasters can do it ( f1 2015 and pcars) then surely Kaz can do it?!

But why should they? There is a process that Fanatec could follow like others do, why should the developer go out of their way to help Fanatec make money if Fanatec could easily take steps to ensure integration and compatibility? It isn't a matter of Kaz not being able to do it, it is a matter of why should he? Fanatec can do it, clearly they are not interested in the Playstation platform.

 

[Johnnypenso]

But why should they? There is a process that Fanatec could follow like others do, why should the developer go out of their way to help Fanatec make money if Fanatec could easily take steps to ensure integration and compatibility? It isn't a matter of Kaz not being able to do it, it is a matter of why should he? Fanatec can do it, clearly they are not interested in the Playstation platform.

Why should they is easy. To attract owners of Fanatec wheels who might not otherwise play the game. If Fanatec isn't interested in the PS platform why are their wheels supported in other games? If a relatively small dev like SMS can do it for Project Cars I'm sure PD can handle it.

 

[dipsetab]

My T150 with pedals and shifter

 

[Neomone]

There is a process that Fanatec could follow like others do...

You mean make a new wheel with whatever hardware security Sony has arbitrarily decided that it needs?

 

[7HO]

You mean make a new wheel with whatever hardware security Sony has arbitrarily decided that it needs?

Source?

As far as I read the hardware security chip thing is a myth. What I have read elsewhere suggested the issue may have something to do with Immersion licensing which would be a big deal if true. What you need to understand is Immersion claim to own the rights to FFB, it might be something that could be challenged but no one has. As they claim to be the patent rights owner they get to decide who uses their IP, how it is used and how much each customer pays and from comments made by certain partners no one is allowed to talk about their deals with Immersion.

So like I said there is a process and it is up to Fanatec to go through it like everyone else and it is up to Sony to cover themselves legally according to whatever deal they have with Immersion. That could well be in the form of a hardware security chip or it might be firmware or it might just be a fee for license. It doesn't matter.

Microsoft may be in a better position than Sony due to their history with Immersion specifically in regard to FFB.

 

[Tornado]

Well you can only blame Fanatec if GTS doesn't support their wheels. There is a process they can take to create a PS4 wheel but they don't seem interested. Logitech were also stubborn at first but they came around because clearly the console market is too big to ignore.

But why should they? There is a process that Fanatec could follow like others do

Logitech didn't follow any "process". Their older wheels are still completely incompatible with the PS4, and they were the ones who brought up the security chip red herring to begin with. They simply released a new wheel that is designed and licenced as a PS4 wheel, which is of no help to anyone interested in GT:S who bought one before the G29 and completely irrelevant to someone talking about one of the Fanatec wheels.
Thrustmaster isn't terribly different. Their older wheel has no base functionality on the PS4 but is supported as a matter of course (possibly because they are the current official GT partner, possibly because they just don't use Immersion's patents like Logitech did with their old wheels, possibly because of how big of a deal Sony made about the wheel when it first launched), and it is only their newer wheels that are fully compatible with the PS4.

why should the developer go out of their way to help Fanatec make money if Fanatec could easily take steps to ensure integration and compatibility? It isn't a matter of Kaz not being able to do it, it is a matter of why should he? Fanatec can do it, clearly they are not interested in the Playstation platform.

The "why should they" part is easy: They are releasing a game that is much more directly targeted at the kind of people who probably already had the equipment to play it competitively and would see no reason to buy the game if they had to repurchase said equipment because of corporate dick swinging.
It is to PD's benefit to try and catch those people just as much as it is to Fanatec's. It's the same reason Project Cars and DiRT Rally had support for Fanatec wheels, the same reason most racing games on the system have supported the T500RS even though it is a PS3 wheel, the same reason why most PS3 sticks and fight pads work with most PS4 fighting games, and the same reason Logitech has gotten neverending amounts of gnashed teeth for releasing the G29 at all.



Whether Sony sees that benefit with a first party title guaranteed to sell at least a few million regardless of whether they give Fanatec a pass remains to be seen.

 

[Cocomoto]

Still impatiently waiting on @Cocomoto and his comparison between the T300 and T500 - Any minute now.

Oh man, the wheel now is heading to a city that is 40Km from where i live... I just can't wait!

Allready downloaded PCars and all the add ons that i have available.

About the wheels compatibility, I think that it was Logitech's choise not to make their old wheels playble on the PS4. I mean, the T500 can be used on it, and it is a PS3 official wheel.

Fanatec allready said that they are talking with Sony to make their wheel officialy supported, i hope everything goes well.

 

[nhraracer]

But why should they? There is a process that Fanatec could follow like others do, why should the developer go out of their way to help Fanatec make money if Fanatec could easily take steps to ensure integration and compatibility? It isn't a matter of Kaz not being able to do it, it is a matter of why should he? Fanatec can do it, clearly they are not interested in the Playstation platform.

Because people like me with a Fantaec wheel probably won't buy gran turismo sport!

 

[nhraracer]

Logitech didn't follow any "process". Their older wheels are still completely incompatible with the PS4, and they were the ones who brought up the security chip red herring to begin with. They simply released a new wheel that is designed and licenced as a PS4 wheel, which is of no help to anyone interested in GT:S who bought one before the G29 and completely irrelevant to someone talking about one of the Fanatec wheels.
Thrustmaster isn't terribly different. Their older wheel has no base functionality on the PS4 but is supported as a matter of course (possibly because they are the current official GT partner, possibly because they just don't use Immersion's patents like Logitech did with their old wheels, possibly because of how big of a deal Sony made about the wheel when it first launched), and it is only their newer wheels that are fully compatible with the PS4.


The "why should they" part is easy: They are releasing a game that is much more directly targeted at the kind of people who probably already had the equipment to play it competitively and would see no reason to buy the game if they had to repurchase said equipment because of corporate dick swinging.
It is to PD's benefit to try and catch those people just as much as it is to Fanatec's. It's the same reason Project Cars and DiRT Rally had support for Fanatec wheels, the same reason most racing games on the system have supported the T500RS even though it is a PS3 wheel, the same reason why most PS3 sticks and fight pads work with most PS4 fighting games, and the same reason Logitech has gotten neverending amounts of gnashed teeth for releasing the G29 at all.



Whether Sony sees that benefit with a first party title guaranteed to sell at least a few million regardless of whether they give Fanatec a pass remains to be seen.

You are the man!

 

[7HO]

possibly because they just don't use Immersion's patents like Logitech did with their old wheels

If you are going to argue perhaps you should first know what you are talking about, this statement demonstrates you don't.

Immersion have a number of patents that relate to FFB wheel systems. What they do not have is the rights to is an actual FFB wheel, Atari had that and it has expired. Immersions has been able to still be the patent rights holder for current FFB wheels by owning the technology used in things such as the interface. So you can be sure that Fanatec have a license with Immersion because their wheels work on PC's and Immersion own the interface technology in Windows because they designed it for Microsoft. That means any FFB wheel that is used with windows must have a license from Immersion unless that wheel manufacturer develops their own API's and can get that integrated on the platform. To my knowledge only one manufacturer (not Fanatec) has shown an interest in going down that path but has not been able to find industry support. Even then Immersion could have other patents that still require licensing. One thing Immersion are very careful about is making arrangements where their partners are not allowed to talk about any deal they have with Immersion.

So that means you and I can not know anything about the Sony situation. Yes Logitech said there was a hardware component which may or may not be true and if it is true perhaps Sony have developed their own interface technology that allows Sony to avoid paying licensing fees to Immersion. Of course companies that already have a deal with Immersion wouldn't be impressed because now they would also be required to make a deal with Sony. But if you have a deal with Immersion and their technology still can be used by getting developers to include code in their games then perhaps they would not need to pay Sony. And doing so might put Sony at risk of patent infringement. But perhaps the developer has a licensing arrangement.

That is just one possibility which you and I can't prove or disprove because people do not share the terms of their arrangements with Immersion.

But what we do know is Sony have a process. What we do know is Sony have been sued by Immersion in the past. And what we know is Fanatec don't want to use the official Sony process. What you don't know is as a Sony game if GT Sport can even legally support Fanatec wheels without paying Immersion for a license, what you don't know is what Sony's current deal is with Immersion, what you don't know is if part of Sony's licensing program fees go to Immersion or if that program is a process to avoid Sony paying Immersion fees and cover them legally.

You don't know. All you know is you want Sony to do something that seems simple to you but you actually have no idea if it is simple or cheap.

The "why should they" part is easy: They are releasing a game that is much more directly targeted at the kind of people who probably already had the equipment to play it competitively and would see no reason to buy the game if they had to repurchase said equipment because of corporate dick swinging.

No it isn't easy and hopefully by this point you are starting to realise that. The question again is why should Sony or a Sony developer bend over and accommodate a company who isn't willing to follow the process they already have in place. Sony have provided USB ports to plug peripherals into but do you think if Fanatec made wheels with a different port that Sony should put a special socket in the Playstation just for them? Then even if Fanatec supply code, that code needs to be integrated and checked for compatibility and if there is conflict then that conflict needs to be resolved all at extra expense to the developer that can be avoided by simply following a protocol. You have no idea how complicated or expensive any of this is. What you do know is there is a process Fanatec can take but are not interested in. Simply put Fanatec are not interested in PS4 at all anymore. Fanatec no longer sell a PS4 wheel. There are much better wheels than Fantecs wheels out there that are also not supported, do you think a developer should go out and support every wheel on a console even when that manufacturer is not interested in that platform they stand to profit from. And there the big one, Fanatec can make money by selling a Playstation wheel then surely it is acceptable they pay the fee to the platform. Considering how much Fanatec charge for what is in my opinion a cheaply made toy I personally think customers should be demanding Fanatec are compatible and rather than say you will not buy a game when Fanatec are to blame tell Fanatec you will not buy their products because they are incompatible with the platforms you are interested in.

Anyway owning Fanatec gear is no excuse, it still fetches a good price, sell the Fanatec gear that lacks support and use the money to buy a better product that does support the platforms you use. I'm pretty confident the new Thrustmaster DD wheel will be better than the Fanatec wheels anyway and chances are it may devalue Fanatec gear significantly after release so now might be a good time to unload Fanatec gear especially if you are a PS4 owner.

It is to PD's benefit to try and catch those people just as much as it is to Fanatec's.

You don't know that. You have no idea if PD would be financially better off or not as you have no idea about any of the things I mentioned earlier in this post.

and the same reason Logitech has gotten neverending amounts of gnashed teeth for releasing the G29 at all.

No it isn't. As a long time Logitech wheel user who upgraded to the G29 I can say that people on the internet are stupid. The G29 is a better wheel, I wouldn't consider buying a G27 now that the G29 has been released. And people expecting more are as rediculous as the people who complain about the new Nissan GTR or just as ridiculous as if someone expected a new WRX to compete with a McLaren P1. Stupid people say they expect stupid things on the internet all the time and then complain when they do not get them, just because so many people do it doesn't make them right. It is no different to all the people complaining about the RX 480 performance because they expected a $199 card to beat the $699 GTX 1080.

Because people like me with a Fantaec wheel probably won't buy gran turismo sport!

And that is your choice. But only they can determine if that is negative for them. In addition to the things pointed out in this post already there is of course the fact that non official wheels are competing directing with official wheels which devalues the official branding and that is also a factor they would need to consider.

I don't know what wheel you own but if I owned a V1 or V2 wheel base right now I'd sell it before the Thrustmaster wheel comes out. The reason for this is because it is a GT wheel chances are it will be priced aggressively compared to even the Fanatec wheel and not just other DD wheels. I think it will be cheaper and better than Fanatec wheels which has the potential to devalue the used price of Fanatec wheels. So if I had one, I'd sell it now before we get any details about the Thrustmaster wheel.

 

[Tornado]

As a long time Logitech wheel user who upgraded to the G29 I can say that people on the internet are stupid.

Well that just about says it all, doesn't it.

 

[celtiscorpion73]

First, I need the PS4. As for a wheel, if I decide to go with one, it'll be anything but Thrustmaster that works. They treated me like crap when my last wheel broke, so I won't buy anything from them again.

 

[rclark83]

First, I need the PS4. As for a wheel, if I decide to go with one, it'll be anything but Thrustmaster that works. They treated me like crap when my last wheel broke, so I won't buy anything from them again.

Thats not very good. Why did they treat you like crap? When my fan on t500 started making a grinding noise i contacted thrustmaster and they sent me a replacement plus fitting instructions within 2 weeks i was a very happy customer.

 

[7HO]

Well that just about says it all, doesn't it.

I don't know what you are getting at, I have directly compared the G29 to a G27, G25 and a GTP and I currently have 3 of those wheels in my house so I think I'm in a pretty good position to know that the G29 is the better wheel and can confidently say I would never buy a G27 over a G29. Taking it a step further, my kids get my old wheels and they are currently fighting over who is going to get the G29 when I upgrade and they want me to upgrade as soon as possible.

Have you compared them side by side like I have? Perhaps you think people who compare specs over the internet know better than someone who actually has the wheels.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I don't know what wheel you own but if I owned a V1 or V2 wheel base right now I'd sell it before the Thrustmaster wheel comes out. The reason for this is because it is a GT wheel chances are it will be priced aggressively compared to even the Fanatec wheel and not just other DD wheels. I think it will be cheaper and better than Fanatec wheels which has the potential to devalue the used price of Fanatec wheels. So if I had one, I'd sell it now before we get any details about the Thrustmaster wheel.

You're kidding, right? How does it make sense to sell a CSW V2 due to a wheel we (1) know hardly anything about (2) hasn't been reviewed or even received any first impressions yet and (3) has no confirmed price? Let's wait until we receive this information first before we tell people to jump the gun and sell their wheel because of another wheel that isn't even available yet. Your assumptions that the Thrustmaster wheel is better AND cheaper is speculation at best.

Personally, there's not a chance on Earth that I'll be giving up my CSW V2, especially on something premature like you're proposing.

If GT Sport somehow ends up being compatible with Fanatec wheels, great. That'll make my chances of getting the game a little higher. If not, then no skin off my nose. I wasn't interested in Sport to begin with. I'd rather keep my Fanatec so I can continue playing Forza with a wheel, instead of trying to get maximum resale value out of it.

 

[nhraracer]

You're kidding, right? How does it make sense to sell a CSW V2 due to a wheel we (1) know hardly anything about (2) hasn't been reviewed or even received any first impressions yet and (3) has no confirmed price? Let's wait until we receive this information first before we tell people to jump the gun and sell their wheel because of another wheel that isn't even available yet. Your assumptions that the Thrustmaster wheel is better AND cheaper is speculation at best.

Personally, there's not a chance on Earth that I'll be giving up my CSW V2, especially on something premature like you're proposing.

If GT Sport somehow ends up being compatible with Fanatec wheels, great. That'll make my chances of getting the game a little higher. If not, then no skin off my nose. I wasn't interested in Sport to begin with. I'd rather keep my Fanatec so I can continue playing Forza with a wheel, instead of trying to get maximum resale value out of it.

Couldn't have said it better myself! Thank You!

 

[kolio]

Hopefully the Logitech G29. As long as I have the money for it.

 

[MCFerocious]

The G29 I have. I looked at this a lot and from my research I found that this is the best wheel for sim racing. Reliable and accurate.

 

[7HO]

You're kidding, right? How does it make sense to sell a CSW V2 due to a wheel we (1) know hardly anything about (2) hasn't been reviewed or even received any first impressions yet and (3) has no confirmed price? Let's wait until we receive this information first before we tell people to jump the gun and sell their wheel because of another wheel that isn't even available yet. Your assumptions that the Thrustmaster wheel is better AND cheaper is speculation at best.

Personally, there's not a chance on Earth that I'll be giving up my CSW V2, especially on something premature like you're proposing.

If GT Sport somehow ends up being compatible with Fanatec wheels, great. That'll make my chances of getting the game a little higher. If not, then no skin off my nose. I wasn't interested in Sport to begin with. I'd rather keep my Fanatec so I can continue playing Forza with a wheel, instead of trying to get maximum resale value out of it.

Not kidding at all.

What we know is it is a GT wheel and it is a direct drive wheel and it is made by Thrustmaster.

That is all I need to know, if I currently owned a Fanatec wheel I'd sell it because based on just these things I believe the chances of the new Thrustmaster wheel being disruptive to the market and dropping Fanatec values are very high and I'd personally rather risk being wrong and risk losing the cost of shipping than not do anything and risk waiting until after my Fanatec wheel has dropped in value.

Of course if you intend on owning the Fanatec wheel until the day it dies then what I just said is relevant.

 

[skazz]

I'm pretty sure a large part of Fanatec's current market is PC, with only a small number of CSWv2 owners on Xbox One and an even smaller group on PlayStation (almost certain all of that group also own PCs). Since the CSWv2 is a great PC wheel and almost all sims are on PC, your advice makes no sense. Especially since PC sim racers in the market for a second hand CSWv2 are going to be totally oblivious to GTS for the most part...

The "sell now" argument is also rubbish. Knowing Thrustmaster, having watched their peripheral releases for the last 5+ years very carefully, I'd argue that the new GTS wheel is unlikely to be available except possibly in very small quantities in a few specific countries in 2016. It usually takes them up to 6 months from the actual physical launch of a new wheel before you can buy it widely. Something this expensive will probably be even smaller quantities and longer wait times.

Finally, Fanatec has just started teasing the new CSL wheel, and it's very likely that the CSL release and the promised PS4 license for Fanatec will happen at the same time.

In short, lots of reasons not to sell a CSWv2 and to wait for the full picture to appear before jumping at a new wheel.

 

[Cocomoto]

Get rid of a CSWv2 for a wheel with no actual information about it is madness...

The Fanatec Wheels are amazing, saying that they will drop price so soon is only guessing.

 

[nhraracer]

Get rid of a CSWv2 for a wheel with no actual information about it is madness...

The Fanatec Wheels are amazing, saying that they will drop price so soon is only guessing.

There is no since in talking to that guy. He doesn't understand that opinions are like a**holes....everyone has one!

 

[Mike_grpA]

I don't know what you are getting at, I have directly compared the G29 to a G27, G25 and a GTP and I currently have 3 of those wheels in my house so I think I'm in a pretty good position to know that the G29 is the better wheel and can confidently say I would never buy a G27 over a G29. Taking it a step further, my kids get my old wheels and they are currently fighting over who is going to get the G29 when I upgrade and they want me to upgrade as soon as possible.

Have you compared them side by side like I have? Perhaps you think people who compare specs over the internet know better than someone who actually has the wheels.

Wait, so the guy who bought the last 3 Logitech wheels is defending Logitech's latest wheel? Well I'm shocked. I mean, it's not like it's in your best interests to defend your decision to keep forking out hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for wheels that are only marginally better than the ones you already had. Also, how are your kids' opinions on racing wheels any more relevant than your own biased opinion? They obviously would only know what you have told them, and considering what you keep harping on about here, it's pretty obvious what you would have told them.

I believe unbiased reviews, done by people who review all of the products available from all manufacturers. What I don't believe, is someone on the internet who owns only stuff from one manufacturer, because one thing I've learned over the years is that people tend to be incredibly biased towards whatever they own. Brand loyalty is a powerful thing.

I don't really care what wheel someone owns, as long as they enjoy it, good on them. What I won't do is hand over $500+ for a new toy wheel just to play GTS, when I have one already that works on every other PS4 game (except DC unfortunately). As for Fanatec not being interested in PS4, they have repeatedly said they're working on a new base that will be PS4 compatible, and I wouldn't be surprised if they release a hub for the CSW bases that offers PS4 compatibility. They've also developed PS4 drivers for all of their old wheels, unlike Logitech, who are too desperate for sales of their new wheel to offer people PS4 support on their older ones, which are barely any different at all.

 

[7HO]

I'm pretty sure a large part of Fanatec's current market is PC, with only a small number of CSWv2 owners on Xbox One and an even smaller group on PlayStation (almost certain all of that group also own PCs). Since the CSWv2 is a great PC wheel and almost all sims are on PC, your advice makes no sense. Especially since PC sim racers in the market for a second hand CSWv2 are going to be totally oblivious to GTS for the most part...

The "sell now" argument is also rubbish. Knowing Thrustmaster, having watched their peripheral releases for the last 5+ years very carefully, I'd argue that the new GTS wheel is unlikely to be available except possibly in very small quantities in a few specific countries in 2016. It usually takes them up to 6 months from the actual physical launch of a new wheel before you can buy it widely. Something this expensive will probably be even smaller quantities and longer wait times.

Finally, Fanatec has just started teasing the new CSL wheel, and it's very likely that the CSL release and the promised PS4 license for Fanatec will happen at the same time.

In short, lots of reasons not to sell a CSWv2 and to wait for the full picture to appear before jumping at a new wheel.

Your reasoning is flawed. The PC sim racing community is well aware of the Thrustmaster wheel, news and discussion of this wheel has been on every site and the sim racing community is waiting to find more information out about it. No one cares that it is a GT wheel and an interest in GTS is not required to know about this wheel. It is a direct drive wheel, considering the current options for DD wheels range from above 1k for a DIY wheel up to 4k+ for the fully optioned Bodnar the news that Thrustmaster is bringing out a DD wheel is something everyone is interested in especially those who are not in the DD market price range but would like a DD wheel.

The advice is just as relevant to PC as it is Playstation as Thrustmaster wheels are not Playstation exclusive and plenty of people use them for PC. In fact looking at the iRacing forums in the entry to mid level price range the Thrustmaster wheels are currently the most recommended wheels. Currently DD wheels are also very popular and the DIY option has proven very popular. You can bet that a lot of PC sim racers are waiting to find out more.

As for what you said about the release of the Thrustmaster wheels, I've never witnessed that. In Australia I've never been able to walk into a store and buy Thrustmaster wheels but I have always been able to purchase them at launch through retailers, I just never have because of the premium prices the retailers have quoted me. But I have also followed these wheels like all the other wheels, reading all the reviews and so on. And if there were shortages in a certain area that I am unaware of these must have been geographical shortages because I have been unaware of these and always been able to find an abundance of reviews.

Finally the promised PS4 wheel from Fanatec. This is the first real PS4 wheel from Fanatec. Fanatec did the wrong thing in the past by saying their prior wheels were PS4 wheels and have been asked by Sony to stop promoting those wheels as being Playstation compatible which they have complied with. Fanatec are finally taking steps to have a licensed wheel and you can be sure that wheel will be fully compatible on the PS4.

People can sell or keep as they choose. If I owned Fanatec right now I'd sell.

Wait, so the guy who bought the last 3 Logitech wheels is defending Logitech's latest wheel? Well I'm shocked. I mean, it's not like it's in your best interests to defend your decision to keep forking out hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for wheels that are only marginally better than the ones you already had. Also, how are your kids' opinions on racing wheels any more relevant than your own biased opinion? They obviously would only know what you have told them, and considering what you keep harping on about here, it's pretty obvious what you would have told them.

I never defend my purchasing decisions if they don't warrant it and I've said negative things about plenty of things I have purchased over the years. Here's a fact for you, I'm an original Ioni Pro supporter and now will probably sell that in anticipation of the Thrustmaster wheel. You would also not be aware that I have many times suggested that people might be better off purchasing a Thrustmaster wheel over the Logitech wheel in regions where the Logitech wheel prices are comparable to the Thrustmaster prices. It just happens that where I live the Logitech wheels are much better value, mine was less than half the price of a comparable Thrustmaster wheel and I was able to pick it up from a local store at that price. And my kids have no problem letting me know when they disagree with me, my kids like the G29 because it is better than their Logitech wheels. It isn't a biased opinion, they always tell me "Dad you should swap wheels with me" or "Dad you should buy a new wheel so I can have your wheel". I'll say that if I wasn't able to purchase my G29 for the price I did I would have bought a T300 instead with T3PA pedals instead. I'll say I'm looking forward to the Thrustmaster DD wheel and will most likely buy one at some point in the future and if it is great I will say so and if it is a dud I will say so. I've written negative things about the G29 as well. Like previous wheels it still has the dead zone issues of previous wheels, this is the single worst thing about all Logitech wheels. Also I have written that even though the brake is a great improvement over the previous pedals the pedal is too long before it hits the rubber and then pedal range is also cut off, the brake could have easily been much better than it is. I have written that without using the Thrustmaster T3PA pedals I suspect they are better than standard G29 pedals.

One thing you can be sure about with me is I never feel the need to defend my purchasing decisions. I have actually destroyed and dumped things I paid money for rather than selling them because I'd rather tell people I think they are rubbish and not sell that rubbish to someone else. I have a pair of these that I will not sell http://www.sony.com.au/product/mdr-10rbt because they are rubbish. They sound great but the construction and quality is terrible. I haven't had a problem saying negative things about certain Apple products I have owned over the years and as a Apple fan right back from the 80's who has owned many many Apple products and loved them I have no problem saying I think the products Apple is currently bringing out are overpriced crap in my opinion and a sad sign of how far the company has fallen.

I own a Razer Naga mouse and I'll never buy another Razer mouse. I have no problem admitting I am a big fan of Ibanez guitars, I currently own 3 and have had others, I also have a custom guitar that is amazing and I have no problem saying my favourite guitar is my Dean which is one of the cheapest guitars I own.

As a guy who has spent well over $500 on iRacing over the years and possibly closer to $1000 I have no problem saying that I'm planning on letting my subscription expire this year with no regrets.

So don't believe what I have to say based on whatever reasoning you come up with. I don't care if you trust me or don't trust me but I'm about as unbiased as anyone can be and I bought my G29 knowing I could just take it back if I didn't like it and lose nothing. And I bought it with the intention of taking it back, I even warned the staff when I picked it up that I anticipated that I would be returning it. And my comments about it are only relating to comparing it to prior Logitech wheels because that is what all the fuss is about. People who think the G29 is not worth buying over previous Logitech wheels are talking rubbish and probably haven't tried them side by side, I have tried them side by side, the G29/G920 are the best wheels Logitech have ever made. A T300RS might be a better wheel, I think it probably is, I'd love to own one with T3PA pedals but a G29 cost me $275 and a T300 + T3PA would cost me over $600 plus postage. I am expecting to spend more than that to buy Thrustmasters new DD wheel which I currently believe I will buy.

 

[Mike_grpA]

I never defend my purchasing decisions if they don't warrant it and I've said negative things about plenty of things I have purchased over the years. Here's a fact for you, I'm an original Ioni Pro supporter and now will probably sell that in anticipation of the Thrustmaster wheel. You would also not be aware that I have many times suggested that people might be better off purchasing a Thrustmaster wheel over the Logitech wheel in regions where the Logitech wheel prices are comparable to the Thrustmaster prices. It just happens that where I live the Logitech wheels are much better value, mine was less than half the price of a comparable Thrustmaster wheel and I was able to pick it up from a local store at that price. And my kids have no problem letting me know when they disagree with me, my kids like the G29 because it is better than their Logitech wheels. It isn't a biased opinion, they always tell me "Dad you should swap wheels with me" or "Dad you should buy a new wheel so I can have your wheel". I'll say that if I wasn't able to purchase my G29 for the price I did I would have bought a T300 instead with T3PA pedals instead. I'll say I'm looking forward to the Thrustmaster DD wheel and will most likely buy one at some point in the future and if it is great I will say so and if it is a dud I will say so. I've written negative things about the G29 as well. Like previous wheels it still has the dead zone issues of previous wheels, this is the single worst thing about all Logitech wheels. Also I have written that even though the brake is a great improvement over the previous pedals the pedal is too long before it hits the rubber and then pedal range is also cut off, the brake could have easily been much better than it is. I have written that without using the Thrustmaster T3PA pedals I suspect they are better than standard G29 pedals.

One thing you can be sure about with me is I never feel the need to defend my purchasing decisions. I have actually destroyed and dumped things I paid money for rather than selling them because I'd rather tell people I think they are rubbish and not sell that rubbish to someone else. I have a pair of these that I will not sell http://www.sony.com.au/product/mdr-10rbt because they are rubbish. They sound great but the construction and quality is terrible. I haven't had a problem saying negative things about certain Apple products I have owned over the years and as a Apple fan right back from the 80's who has owned many many Apple products and loved them I have no problem saying I think the products Apple is currently bringing out are overpriced crap in my opinion and a sad sign of how far the company has fallen.

I own a Razer Naga mouse and I'll never buy another Razer mouse. I have no problem admitting I am a big fan of Ibanez guitars, I currently own 3 and have had others, I also have a custom guitar that is amazing and I have no problem saying my favourite guitar is my Dean which is one of the cheapest guitars I own.

As a guy who has spent well over $500 on iRacing over the years and possibly closer to $1000 I have no problem saying that I'm planning on letting my subscription expire this year with no regrets.

So don't believe what I have to say based on whatever reasoning you come up with. I don't care if you trust me or don't trust me but I'm about as unbiased as anyone can be and I bought my G29 knowing I could just take it back if I didn't like it and lose nothing. And I bought it with the intention of taking it back, I even warned the staff when I picked it up that I anticipated that I would be returning it. And my comments about it are only relating to comparing it to prior Logitech wheels because that is what all the fuss is about. People who think the G29 is not worth buying over previous Logitech wheels are talking rubbish and probably haven't tried them side by side, I have tried them side by side, the G29/G920 are the best wheels Logitech have ever made. A T300RS might be a better wheel, I think it probably is, I'd love to own one with T3PA pedals but a G29 cost me $275 and a T300 + T3PA would cost me over $600 plus postage. I am expecting to spend more than that to buy Thrustmasters new DD wheel which I currently believe I will buy.

Cool anecdotes bro, you sound unbiased as . I've used the G25, 27, and 29, and the 27 and 29 feel identical to use, except for the stiffer brake pedal. I honestly couldn't care less how much you like your toy wheel, saying "people on the internet are stupid" just because they don't have the same view as you says a lot about your character, as does the sheer amount of ranting and raving you do every time someone disagrees with you, or simply doesn't blindly accept your every word as gospel.