What would YOU find dissapointing in GT5?

[amar212]

I understand your arguments, and I expected at least 20 similar replies, -however- M34 Just. Goes. Too. Far.

In fact I would like to start a letter-writing campaign or something to pre-empt something like this in GT5. I want to RACE and I am not paying $300 for a PS3 and another $60 for the game just to sit there and watch a timer for (cumulative total) 4 hours or more.

If you find M34 frustrating, then I have nice suggestion for you

Get yourself original F355 Challenge game for PS2. It supports the FF whels (240 degrees only) and you should enjoy it a lot.

Than go to the section called Great Driver Challenge. There are races in which you start last and you have to come first (sounds familiar, right? Kazunori never hides that he praises Yu Suzuki's masterpiece the most in the all genre). But, there is a twist - in order to actually FINISH all Challenges, you have to collect 1000 points, gained by drafting, overpassing and such.

M34 is not frustrating nor hard to be honest. If you can't do it, it just means one simple thing - you do not know the Nordschliefe track as you should.

Once you truly master the Nordschliefe, M34 becomes the pinnacle of Gran Turismo 4 and Nurburgring racing ever concieved in the genre.

 

[Rocker]

If you find M34 frustrating, then I have nice suggestion for you

M34 is not frustrating nor hard to be honest. If you can't do it, it just means one simple thing - you do not know the Nordschliefe track as you should.

I have to take exception to your comment here. YOU have a 12 second advantage, and as such your reply is invalid.

Why don't you take a look at the mission threads and explain why the M34 thread has 1,134 responses, nearly ten times the discussion of any other mission, and more than double than even the 80 license golds thread???

Give me those 12 seconds and I would have completed it within an hour, and I never posted a single comment about this mission. Every NTSC driver has a valid point about M34 and no PAL driver has any business saying we don't.


Oh, I just noticed you are Amar, not sure if you are the top-rated driver of the same name or not, but look,if you are one of the best drivers out there, where do you get off telling people "it's not that hard?" That is insulting, it is NOT helpful. You know I can play some amazing things on guitar and FOR ME they aren't really that hard, but do you think I sit there and tell others that covering Joe Satriani leads isn't that hard? No. I. Do. Not. It is not helpful, it would be arrogant and insulting and serve no purpose except to make others feel like they are beneath me. It is not that hard for me, because I happen to have a talent and skill that many others do not, and pretending that is because of some incompetence on their part is not helpful.

 

[DK]

I'd find the lack of customisation disappointing.

 

[familyvalues]

I would be upset if there wasnt a dead animal every now and again on the road especially for nordschlieffe.


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just kidding.

I would only get ticked if it took forever to buy cars, NFS Shift has certain races and sponsorships that gave you $1M, which is certainly more fun than 30k per race to get that car.

 

[Lucas]

M34 is not frustrating nor hard to be honest. If you can't do it, it just means one simple thing - you do not know the Nordschliefe track as you should.

I disagree. The hardest part of this mission, to me, is not the track but the car we are forced to use. Not everyone is used to drive a SLR McLaren with aids turned on. Not everyone is used to drive cars with aids turned on, like most drivers, including myself.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I would only get ticked if it took forever to buy cars, NFS Shift has certain races and sponsorships that gave you $1M, which is certainly more fun than 30k per race to get that car.

Oof, really? 1M seems kind of... excessive. Maybe in one of the final series?

I feel the average payout in GT4 worked pretty well; some cars cost an awful lot, but the majority were within reach after a few series raced (and prize cars sold). The DTM challenge could be done in 15min in B-Spec and selling the CLK meant roughly 1M credits for your time.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Oof, really? 1M seems kind of... excessive. Maybe in one of the final series?

I feel the average payout in GT4 worked pretty well; some cars cost an awful lot, but the majority were within reach after a few series raced (and prize cars sold). The DTM challenge could be done in 15min in B-Spec and selling the CLK meant roughly 1M credits for your time.

As a matter of fact, you can start a GT4 game with the standard 10,000cr and complete the game for maximum Aspec points without ever having to sell a car or complete a race more than once (100% win ratio) . You will have to buy or trade for three cars and you have to manage your credits wisely. But it can be done.

 

[Maxitsu]

i hope that all original tracks are in GT5 and i hope that caused the delay.

There is one thing better then lots of cars and that are a lot of tracks.


I hoping one

Hong Kong
Seoul Central
Opera Paris
V George Paris
New York
Trial Mountain
Deep Forest
Citta di Aria
Costa di Almafi
El Capitain
Atumn Ring
Circuit de Monaco
Grindelwald
Old Rome Circuit
Seattle
SSR11/R8
Apricot Hill
etc..


if thy are not in the game it would be very bad.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Damn Right Maxitsu! 👍

They better have all of the Tracks you cited above!

Both Paris and the Classics in GT2

 

[SlipZtrEm]

As a matter of fact, you can start a GT4 game with the standard 10,000cr and complete the game for maximum Aspec points without ever having to sell a car or complete a race more than once (100% win ratio) . You will have to buy or trade for three cars and you have to manage your credits wisely. But it can be done.

I was actually tempted to try this, but since I bought the PS3 the PS2 has been unused, and probably will be for a long time since I have a lineup of games I want to play .

i hope that all original tracks are in GT5 and i hope that caused the delay.

There is one thing better then lots of cars and that are a lot of tracks.


I hoping one

Hong Kong
Seoul Central
Opera Paris
V George Paris
New York
Trial Mountain
Deep Forest
Citta di Aria
Costa di Almafi
El Capitain
Atumn Ring
Circuit de Monaco
Grindelwald
Old Rome Circuit
Seattle
SSR11/R8
Apricot Hill
etc..


if thy are not in the game it would be very bad.

I highly doubt we'll get the old Rome circuit now that we have the new one. Also, as a personal opinion, while I enjoy a lot of that list, I almost can't care less if Hong Kong and Seoul never show up again.

 

[Beliall]

i would love it if brands hatch was included, that and all the btcc cars to race , and upgrade. ( unlikely i know)

private lobbies for online also.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I was actually tempted to try this, but since I bought the PS3 the PS2 has been unused, and probably will be for a long time since I have a lineup of games I want to play

I don't blame you, it is hard to go back, especially after playing games on the the next gen consoles.

At the time I started that particular game I had already played GT4 for most of three years and had completed the maximum Aspec point challenge. So I played it out long enough to confirm it was doable and lost interest after that. I never did complete it.

 

[Earth]

16 player online races that lag unless the host has a superfast connection

 

[RiceRollerCdn]

1) "Staleness" - The events are repetitive and dull with stagnant AI and little variety.

2) Online penalty system which is over excessive in judgement and consistently incorrect.

3) The grass acting like an ice rink the split second your tire hits it.

4) Underwhelming NASCAR - I'm not a NASCAR fanatic, but I get the appeal...it's about the battle and points...not so much the cars (because they are theoretically all suppose to be equal). If polyphony just throws us the cars and doesn't capture the essence of NASCAR, it will be a bit disappointing.

5) No rain and/or snow.

6) No night on all tracks.

7) Minimal future DLC.

8) Lack of online race options.

9) No pit crew.

 

[FishforRent]

..... and pretending that is because of some incompetence on their part is not helpful.

I don't believe he was implying incompetence...but rather inexperience. Learn the track and you can beat the mission. It is that simple.

And yes the time delta from PAL to NTSC is a bummer, but it is still beatable. 👍 even for us mortals.

 

[ZoidFile]

It would be disappointing if there are 1000 cars in the game, but I would still only meet Clio's and Elise's only.

 

[Pantha-King]

Another concern of mine is about the new cars being added to the game is the variety. For example:

*730 odd cars are from GT4 (maybe some from GT1&2 also?)
*70 cars from GT5 prologue
*several new cars added to GTPsp, which are added to GT5 as standard cars.
*200 new premium cars (does anyone know if the 200 include the GT5P cars? Otherwise it's more like 130)

With Nascar, WRC, JGTC racing cars already shown and then up to and around 70 of those cars being from Prologue, that would leave 100 or so new cars being added to the game.

What I'm trying to say is, with a lot of great new cars that have recently come out since prologue, how many of them will actually be 2008,2009,2010 models? I'm all up for cars from various periods, but there are cars that have gone on sale that should at least be considered (599 GTO anyone?)

I guess there will be a mix between old and new cars IE the McLaren F1 '91 and the Ferrari 458 Italia '09. But apart from super cars there must be some additions to convertibles, hothatches, superminis etc

And could somebody please fill me in on what cars were added to GTpsp? As I've read that it has 830 cars over GT4's 730, so I'm wondering what 100+ cars that were added are. By PM if necessary

 

[SlipZtrEm]

What I'm trying to say is, with a lot of great new cars that have recently come out since prologue, how many of them will actually be 2008,2009,2010 models? I'm all up for cars from various periods, but there are cars that have gone on sale that should at least be considered (599 GTO anyone?)

I guess there will be a mix between old and new cars IE the McLaren F1 '91 and the Ferrari 458 Italia '09. But apart from super cars there must be some additions to convertibles, hothatches, superminis etc

It's one area I'm concerned about... looking at just the Premiums, it's incredibly unlikely GT5 will have nearly the huge variety of different types of cars the series is normally known for. You could fill that 100 cars up pretty quickly just with impressive cars released since GT4!

And could somebody please fill me in on what cars were added to GTpsp? As I've read that it has 830 cars over GT4's 730, so I'm wondering what 100+ cars that were added are. By PM if necessary

Is sir familiar with Opel? We have a new company for you: Vauxhall! Want a '91 Miata? How about this '91 MX-5?

...it's basically that. There's a handful of new ones (2 Countachs, Enzo & F2007, ZR1, V-Spec, Furai, GTbC, R8 LMS, Veyron), but most of it comes from the insane padding. Oh, we did get the IS200 (R) and first-gen (facelift) Tiburon, previously only available in the Korean GT4.

 

[hampus_dh]

To answer thread author, NOTHING!

 

[GTP_GOAT]

no peeling out (unrealistic sharp turns with no crashing )

 

[novcze]

The "bumper" cam is not on the bumper, it's just an invisible cockpit, an invisible driving position.
Never noticed that when you change from "bumper" to interior cam, or vice-versa, there's no difference in the camera position?

Exactly, what they call "bumper cam" it's basically driver view in height of his eyes (without rendering car obviously). I hope that headtracking will be also available in this view.

There's proof picture with "bumper cam" view with ghost of the same car's blending on the left side, height of the view is cleary visible.

 

[DK]

Being unable to do donuts in RWDs. In GT4 I could only do donuts in 4WDs. Also, in GT4 the cars always snap-oversteered, which I found annoying. It was impossible for me to maintain a drift.

 

[R35-Vspec]

What would YOU find dissapointing in GT5?

- If LP640 sounded ... bad?
- If I cannot make money like I used to.
- If changing exhaust doesn't change the car sound. (It does actually)
- If there aren't Top Gear special events,

And most importantly

- If I can get bored from it after playing for half an hour .

 

[Spagetti69]

To answer thread author, NOTHING!

I'm with you sir.
If there's nothing in the game I will be very dissapointed.

 

[analog]

I'm with you sir.
If there's nothing in the game I will be very dissapointed.

 

[Rocker]

I don't believe he was implying incompetence...but rather inexperience. Learn the track and you can beat the mission. It is that simple.

And yes the time delta from PAL to NTSC is a bummer, but it is still beatable. 👍 even for us mortals.

"Learn the track and you can beat the mission." No it is not that simple. Listen, sporting skills are not a simple memorization exercise. Not in ANY sport I know of. Coaches know this very well. The players -know- what they are doing very well, but actually doing it -flawlessly- is another matter entirely. Knowing what to do can only take you so far, and that is it.

The implication is that I don't have a handle on the most basic aspect. In most endeavors requiring physical skill, hand-eye coordination, task-specific skills, knowledge, and athletic performance, etc... by far the least important item is knowledge. Seriously. A good stretching and warm up routine is more important in some sports.

ANYONE can learn exactly precisely what to do, when, where, how, etc... One can learn and know the elements fairly early on. It is the most basic element, and often requires very little ability at anything else. Memorization is not a sports or motor skill. Secondly, I think 50+ hours on Nurburgring, including 4 hours on this thing alone, um... yeah... I think I KNOW THE TRACK.

It is the same for any performance. Why don't all pitchers throw no-hitters? Why don't all batters hit 1000? Why do quarterbacks throw interceptions? Why do the best players in the league miss free-throws? If you don't like my examples, pick your own.

You can extend that to artistic performance, something I know about as well, and teach. My students may know every single note and nuance by heart, but that knowledge does not translate into a flawless performance. Not by a long shot. One may learn every move in a Taiji Chuan routine in just a few days, but take years to actually master it.

So like I said, the off-hand remark of "you just don't know the track well enough" is callous and short sighted at best, and coming from one of the top drivers is really more of a brow-beating exercise than anything else. I DO know the Nurburgring track and I don't like be told that I don't, especially by a PAL driver. I think my problem is concentration more than anything else. I don't know if it's because I'm an artist first and foremost, or maybe I just drink too much coffee. Or too many girls hanging around. Whatever.

I am quite annoyed with M34 and really do not want a similar experience in GT5.

 

[gtone339]

What would YOU find dissapointing in GT5?

Lag - while racing against 16 AI's or players online.

 

[FishforRent]

ANYONE can learn exactly precisely what to do, when, where, how, etc... One can learn and know the elements fairly early on. It is the most basic element, and often requires very little ability at anything else. Memorization is not a sports or motor skill. Secondly, I think 50+ hours on Nurburgring, including 4 hours on this thing alone, um... yeah... I think I KNOW THE TRACK.

Well then, I guess you're sorted.

 

[People_Know_Me]

I really don't care about the Premium vs Standard debate; however, I prefer to race viewing from a cockpit. So, I don't care how any of the standard cars look from the cockpit view, as long as we get a makeshift one. I really don't want to switch from bumper cam to cockpit view for different cars.

 

[kikie]

GT5 without proper car sounds and the complex ring.