Where was God on 9/11?

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I'll say this... making "a statement from a premise that can be interpreted in other ways" isn't a flaw, really.
Not in and of itself, it isn't. But when you derive a logical certainty from that premise, it is a flaw. I'll try to come up with examples.

This is meant to answer Pako, as well.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Look up the definition of 'theory' in the dictionary.

Tell you what. You look it up in the dictionary. I know what it means. I'm simply saying I don't believe in evolution the same as most evolutionist believe in it.
This is what I'm talking about when I say nit picky.
 
Originally posted by Pako
;) Lookup the scientific method while your at it.

I don't know if you meant me so I won't comment on it.

I am reading the artical from the site you provided. Interesting so far.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Tell you what. You look it up in the dictionary. I know what it means. I'm simply saying I don't believe in evolution the same as most evolutionist believe in it.
This is what I'm talking about when I say nit picky.

Then why do you question whether evolution is a theory? If you knew what 'theory' meant, you obviously would not.
 
I'm not questioning whether it's a theory or not. I am saying I don't buy into the whole evolution view of the the way man came about.
single cell oganism - fish - fish with legs - monkey - man....:lol:

Before I get jumped on for leaving a few things off the "evolution" chain. I did it on purpose. It's an example.
 
One question. How does everyone believe everything started? I don't mean man. I am talking about everything. The universe and everything in it. Excluding man.
 
For me, I see it as a power greater than myself, the alpha and omega. I call that power God, but he has many names...that's just one reference.
 
single cell oganism - fish - fish with legs - monkey - man....:lol:
I've seen many Creationists express this exact opinion in different ways. One thing that they never seem to recognize is that Evolutionists see it as:

Supreme Dad - magic wand - poof - world - millions of followers... :lol:

It gets the point across but it's not terribly constructive.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
One question. How does everyone believe everything started? I don't mean man. I am talking about everything. The universe and everything in it. Excluding man.


No one else cares to answer this?
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Why is that? Because it's more complex than that?

Creation more complex than evolution? I'm flabbergasted!

No, in fact I find that very rude of you. Whereas the evolutionists have to be exceptionally delicate and causious when critisizing creation as it is described in the bible you dare to diminish the evolutionary theory with those few words.
 
Originally posted by rufrgt_sn00pie2001
Creation more complex than evolution? I'm flabbergasted!

No, in fact I find that very rude of you. Whereas the evolutionists have to be exceptionally delicate and causious when critisizing creation as it is described in the bible you dare to diminish the evolutionary theory with those few words.


What the Hel* are you talking about? Do you read what you type? Do you read what others type? I didn't say anything about creation being more complex than evolution.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Originally posted by DGB454
One question. How does everyone believe everything started? I don't mean man. I am talking about everything. The universe and everything in it. Excluding man.

I believe the beginning of everything cannot be explained yet, because our perception of time is limited to years, hours, minutes, etc... and time may (in whatever form possible) go beyond our current knowledge of it - maybe time is redundant, therefore I believe the beginning of everything is beyond time (time as we see it).

Now I have a question for you: What created God? Or whichever highly power...
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Ill answer that when you answer the what I asked. All you did was BS your way around an answer.

Because you don't want to believe it it doesn't mean it's BS.

Do I come in here in and call BS on the bible? - Maybe I should.
 
How does everyone believe everything started? I don't mean man. I am talking about everything. The universe and everything in it. Excluding man.
 
Originally posted by rufrgt_sn00pie2001
Because you don't want to believe it it doesn't mean it's BS.

Do I come in here in and call BS on the bible? - Maybe I should.


I will try and talk slower. I Said You Just BS'd Your Way Around Giving An Answer . I Didn't Say Evolution Was BS.....
 
This is where we left off, before you started your silly excuses.

Originally posted by rufrgt_sn00pie2001
I believe the beginning of everything cannot be explained yet, because our perception of time is limited to years, hours, minutes, etc... and time may (in whatever form possible) go beyond our current knowledge of it - maybe time is redundant, therefore I believe the beginning of everything is beyond time (time as we see it).

Now I have a question for you: What created God? Or whichever highly power...
 
Ok. That's your answer then I guess I will answer along the same lines.

I believe That God needed no Creator because He is the Creator but I believe that because of our finite mind that we cannot comprehend having no beginning and no ending.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Ok. That's your answer then I guess I will answer along the same lines.

I believe That God needed no Creator because He is the Creator but I believe that because of our finite mind that we cannot comprehend having no beginning and no ending.

So you admit to giving a - what you've called BS before - answer?

Isn't that an excuse for not having a real opinion, an opinion you actually believe or are you childlishly patronising me?
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Don't go in and edit after I have answered.

You answered whilst I was editing it. Note the edited by ... on ... message didn't show up.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
One question. How does everyone believe everything started? I don't mean man. I am talking about everything. The universe and everything in it. Excluding man.

This is a great question. But I wouldn't answer it here, at least not today. This topic gets to the heart of what makes people tick and their most closely held beliefs. Those who are comfortable and secure in their beliefs don't need to argue them all the time; a spirited discussion is another matter. Unfortunately some GTP'ers only want to argue for the sake of arguing, playing semantics games, tricks... Socrates wannabees. It's too bad they won't use that sharpness for something other than trying to make others look "wrong." I've seen it over and over. They want to argue back and forth over the minutia, but as soon as somebody actually contributes something thought provoking and/or meaningful, silence befalls them. Their silence says more than their posts ever could.

So basically... sometimes it just doesn't seem worth the effort to think, compose a response, read it, make it say exactly what you mean, and then have an army of insects infest and cheapen it.
 
Originally posted by rufrgt_sn00pie2001
So you admit to giving a - what you've called BS before - answer?

Isn't that an excuse for not having a real opinion, an opinion you actually believe or are you childlishly patronising me?


I give what I get. Although I do believe that God needed no Creator. He is the Creator.

I believe you are the one without a real opinion. "I believe the beginning of everything cannot be explained yet" ???

Is that called the I don't know Theory? Or the I have no real belief theory?

I'm not looking for scientific fact on the beginning. I am just curious as how people in their minds believe everything started. Not man but everything. ie...The universe.
You must have some idea in your mind of how you imagine it all started. Was it the "Big Bang Theory" Was it Aliens? Was it particals just formed and made everything? How about a idea that isn't like anyone elses.
 
Originally posted by milefile
This is a great question. But I wouldn't answer it here, at least not today. This topic gets to the heart of what makes people tick and their most closely held beliefs. Those who are comfortable and secure in their beliefs don't need to argue them all the time; a spirited discussion is another matter. Unfortunately some GTP'ers only want to argue for the sake of arguing, playing semantics games, tricks... Socrates wannabees. It's too bad they won't use that sharpness for something other than trying to make others look "wrong." I've seen it over and over. They want to argue back and forth over the minutia, but as soon as somebody actually contributes something thought provoking and/or meaningful, silence befalls them. Their silence says more than their posts ever could.

So basically... sometimes it just doesn't seem worth the effort to think, compose a response, read it, make it say exactly what you mean, and then have an army of insects infest and cheapen it.


Well put.
 
Originally posted by DGB454

You must have some idea in your mind of how you imagine it all started. Was it the "Big Bang Theory" Was it Aliens? Was it particals just formed and made everything?

That's all aprés- the beginning of everything. The next question would be: what set the "big bang" off? ...ad infidum.
 
Originally posted by milefile
This is a great question. But I wouldn't answer it here, at least not today. This topic gets to the heart of what makes people tick and their most closely held beliefs. Those who are comfortable and secure in their beliefs don't need to argue them all the time; a spirited discussion is another matter. Unfortunately some GTP'ers only want to argue for the sake of arguing, playing semantics games, tricks... Socrates wannabees. It's too bad they won't use that sharpness for something other than trying to make others look "wrong." I've seen it over and over. They want to argue back and forth over the minutia, but as soon as somebody actually contributes something thought provoking and/or meaningful, silence befalls them. Their silence says more than their posts ever could.

So basically... sometimes it just doesn't seem worth the effort to think, compose a response, read it, make it say exactly what you mean, and then have an army of insects infest and cheapen it.

People choose to participate in discussions, the fact that you dissaprove of them does not mean they're actually as stupid as you describe them. Drop the judgmentality a little bit, milefile. :)
 
The Christian God is described in the Bible as the Alpha and Omega, THE beginning and the end. If you have faith in the word of God, then this answers the question "Who made God?". In just asking the question, you are entertaining the thought of God, and in doing so, you answered your own question.

:cheers:

milefile:
Very good observation and illustration. Sometimes it's difficult to wade through all the insect poop, but it is usually worth it. ;)
 
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