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I was answering you and your question about the analogy. However, I'll note that you prefer posts to be directed to the originator of any sub-topic. Should make threads a lot shorter I guess.
White Privilege
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I was answering you and your question about the analogy. However, I'll note that you prefer posts to be directed to the originator of any sub-topic. Should make threads a lot shorter I guess.
Danoff
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You ignored a bunch of discussion there... but... since you posted that...
Any given person who cries "white privilege" to any given other person who responds "I had it hard too" should carefully consider whether they want to keep complaining. Here's an example. Suppose a black person who is able-bodied, attractive and healthy gets upset about being turned down for a job. Suppose that black person is complaining about white privilege and overhears someone say "I had it hard too". They start to say something like "you'd have had it harder if you were black" when they turn around and see a white person with a gigantic horrendous growth on their face (I'm not making this up, I've seen people with these sorts of afflictions). Maybe, maybe they'd have had it easier if they were white instead of black, but that does not make it fair to assume that no white person has had it harder.
Instead of pondering carefully whether they wanted to complain, our fictitious black person says "any black person would have it easier if they were white, and any white person would have it harder if they were black. You, for example, would have had it harder if you were black". Our fictitious white person with the growth on their face says "any person would have had it harder with this on their face, and any person with this on their face would have had it easier without it. You, for example, would have had it harder if you had this on your face".
I know you won't respond to this but I'll address you anyway... DO YOU SEE MY POINT YET?!? You're picking ONE SINGLE issue that MIGHT be a problem in someone's life and elevating it above thousands upon thousands of other issues that might be a problem in other peoples' lives.
Anyone would have had it harder if they had my exact set of problems added to theirs. And I would have had it easier if I had their exact set of advantages added to mine. What a vacuous bag of nonsense.
Danoff
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If it's too time consuming to respond to people, and so you choose not to, you're ignoring them. Maybe you have a reason, but you're doing it. I think you just come here to spout nonsense and leave, and aren't actually interested in having a discussion on this discussion forum.
I'm noting also that you have ignored my previous post (except for the part where I said you'd ignore it).
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Seriously stop. You may not be trying to speak for people like me, but when you post up stuff like this to speak for you it is no better than having a perceived viewpoint on the "struggle" of blacks.
We're not oppressed, we haven't been for some time, and I'd implore you to try (might be hard) and show me where this oppression is supposedly occurring.
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To paraphrase the video I shared, maybe the rut that a lot of African-Americans find themselves in has less to do with being oppressed by "the white man" and more to do with the fact that since Jim Crow the single-motherhood and high school dropout rates have skyrocketed, unless we're supposed to assume that America is more racist now than it was 60 years ago. It is not the responsibility of white people who don't own slaves to bring up black people who are not being enslaved. You'll find that the most successful African-Americans are the ones who don't complain about slavery and Jim Crow and how evil white people are and expecting them to fix all their problems for them, but the ones who work hard and don't commit crimes...just like every other racial group in America.
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Okay fine. I'll admit most my viewpoints were biased towards my personal situation and that white people can go through the issues that I've listed in many cases. Many members who quoted me brought up good points now that I look back. I'm not sure how I feel about this highly divisive issue to be frank; I'm 15 and I lack the political knowledge and experience to form a rational opinion well backed up with evidence.
This will be my final post in this thread.
This will be my final post in this thread.
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It's too time consuming to respond personally to anyone, apparently.
I imagine if you were to take one person, like say Danoff, and attempt to categorically address the points raised you'd find that you'd actually covered most of the discussion from other people also.
That's fine. Well done for making the admission.
At some point everyone lacked the political knowledge and experience. That's not an issue. Just don't lock yourself into an ideology or opinion. There's no need. It's fine to say "I feel like this based on what I've seen, but I'm not sure. How does this fit with what you other people see?"
In discussing with other people you'll gain political knowledge and experience. Maybe your views will change with the added information you gain. Maybe you'll find evidence to support your current views. Maybe you'll be exposed to a whole new way of thinking that you never knew existed.
Don't give up. Just realise that the point is not to prove that your current opinion is right, but to learn more about the world. As much politics tries to shame people who change their minds as hypocrites, that's a terrible thing. People are free to change their minds about anything, and it's usually a sign that they've grown or progressed.
I'm not saying that you should change your mind, but at the very least you should keep reading and talking so that you understand more about the position you're taking and the background behind it.
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Why do Chinese americans work so hard?
I did Some research about chinese american and found this us law:
Chinese exlusian act of 1882
So is this what MAGA is referring to?
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By George I think you've got it! MAGA is really about the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. Why didn't I see that?
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Can appreciate the sarcasm, but I was referring to the fact that white people in the us historically have been oppressing non-whites. It’s only been a century that equal rights have been “given” to non whites. So arguing the existence that white have it easier and deflecting that Asians have it easier is just not correct.
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I'm not deflecting that Asians have it easier. I'm asking a direct question. If White Privilege is a thing how come it doesn't affect Asians, which, as you point out, were discriminated against like most other minorities? Slavery ended 150 years ago but Japanese were in prison camps less than 75 years ago. Not only does it not affect Asians but they are actually racing ahead of the whites. Why doesn't white privilege hold them back like the blacks and hispanics? You realize racial slurs for Asians were just as common just a few years ago as they are for blacks right? You know we went to war with the Japanese less than a century ago and a lot of people died? The U.S. went to war with Viet Nam? While I'm at it, why are Hispanics ahead of the blacks? Have white people used less privilege on them?
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Specifically the Chinese werent slaves, but cheap labor. They were forced by the government to be smart, work harder and be entrepeneurs in parts because of racism. Where they differ cultury is that a lot brought wealth back to china, where the blacks were forced to the US with no paying wage and after generations in the US had no way back anymore. "White privilege" does affect asians, but in a different way then other minoroties. The stereotype that chinese are hardworking are still there. Japanese culture us built on the same foundations as China. But because of this connection with the homeland, the chinese and japanese were able to be succesfull, because of the economic succes of China and japan.
BobK
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So how does it affect Asians differently? What is this "different way" you refer to?
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Seeing you are asking this question my gues is you are probably a white person. As an asian in a dominant white culture you are often perceived to be probably good in school and at math. In my country specifically they presume you are well of and have a good job. How does it work against you? Well more often then not asians are bullied in their younger years. In later tears asians are bullied/teased often by racists and presumed to be "easy" targets. Socially you are always seen as an immigrant even though you are born and raised in the country.
But i do admit that in some job catagories Asians have an advantage because of the above stereotypes of being good in math and economics.
BobK
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But how does any of this relate to "white privilege"?
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If your answer to this
Is this
Then you will have to excuse one if they wonder if there is not confusion but rather, avoidance to answer a question you dont seem to be able to actually answer.
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That has nothing to do with it. Asian privilege as another member coined is a direct result of privilege. Do mind I posted earlier i dislike the use of asian privilege. I am using the combination because of the lack of a better word. To clarify the comment about the different way some minorities are treated. I meant generally that not all minorities are disliked/liked for the same reasons.
Any country that houses some sort of white supremacy or other large groups that favors one race over another, probably has some sort of "*insert*privilege". Denying its existence just not looking at reality.
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You do realize that there are black and white hate groups right? Just because a hate group exists doesnt mean that group has any sort of privilege. You seem to have this idea that a) all white people are racist and gain something from it, and b, that all minorities of this racism are held down. This is absolutely not the case.
As for what to call it, how about you start by not calling it a privilege. Nothing you seem to think white people lord over is a privilege. How about we call it equal rights, or social equity. What you want is for all to have the same chances and opportunities regardless of race right? Well that surely doesn't begin with pointing to one race and saying "how dare you with your racist privilege." Nothing that happened in the 16, 17, 18 or nearly all of the 1900's had anything to do with any of us. At all. Even if my great grandfather was a slave owner (he was actually native american, but for argument sake) I am not that person, nor in that era, nor in any way affiliated with that trade, which was made illegal. Made illegal by people who didnt see skin color but rather worked together by not pointing at the other one and saying "screw your white privilege." They grew up, put on their adult clothes, and started doing adult things.
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I was referring to supremacist groups not hate groups. There is a clear difference.
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Is there? Do they both not think they are the prime race and hate all the others? Do you think there are no black supremacy groups?
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Could you point me to these black supremacy groups? (im not black) Silly me always thought that all black hate groups want is equal rights and not superior rights. And there undoubtly be latin surpremacy or asian surpremacy groups/ These are mostly on the fringe (small following) and crazy people.
White surpremacy in a dominant white country, which also is endorsed by its leader is a whole other ballgame.
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What is that difference? It's not clear to me. I tend to think of supremacist groups as hate groups more or less by definition; they think that their race is superior to all others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy
We could say that about white supremacist groups as well. They're on the fringe and full of crazy people. It doesn't really change anything about them.
Why? It seems to me that racial hate is racial hate.
