Who's at fault here?(End of race collision)

[kilesa4568]

I don't think it was a bad move, VFOURMAX, but you could have left more room and still completed the pass. It was unlucky on the contact but there's no denying that cutting in so sharply with another car present was borderline.

At worst, a redress. At best, a racing incident.

 

[OdeFinn]

I made my judgement during the race based on pretty much the view that you posted. At the point of this shot if you look at the orientation of both cars looking towards the APEX of the corner and neither car changes lines then it is apparent the line I as the outside car will intersect the apex at just about the white line on the outside of the blue pavement.

Don't take this wrong, apex of that corner isn't there where you have aimed your car, that line would not carry you thru corner. Apex isn't even visible yet, or possible to take such sharp line to there.

We are still on the straight here and the OP has been on the brakes for a good bit already and our speed difference is pretty high already as I am still carrying full straight line speed (the op shows to still be running at 119 mph and he has been on the brakes for a while in this photo) and have not needed to start braking at all at this point unlike the op at this point.

His corner lenght would be significantly shorter than yours, hanging on side thru corner would be doable, getting enough exit speed to finish overtake is another thing, stressing you on outer line and hoping your mistake would make pass, but most cases just taking car behind you is result. Been there and done that several times, he was taking clear entry and being sure at he won't slide on your line by going slower.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Don't take this wrong, apex of that corner isn't there where you have aimed your car, that line would not carry you thru corner. Apex isn't even visible yet, or possible to take such sharp line to there.

You are right, that is really actually more of the corner entrance. I thought I had him cleared actually as I was carrying so much more speed. I did not mean for the contact to occur but it did. Watching the replay of the same race laps prior to this one as well in that corner I was taking a very similar line through that corner and my speed at the point of contact was within about 5 miles an hour of my speeds at the same point in prior laps so I will not say that I deliberately cut in front of the op trying to block or wreck him.

I do wish that "side mirrors" were in the driving views as well as there is "approximation" of where a car is on the back corners.

I will concede and offer my apologies to the OP for the contact.

 

[Johnnypenso]

This incident is as clear cut as it gets. The Porsche did not leave enough room for the driver he was passing, made contact and caused an incident. Intent is irrelevant. The responsibility lies with the Porsche driver whether the intent was deliberate and malicious or an error in judgment.

 

[FUNanywhere]

This could have been avoided if Vfour would have taken a more outer line which was 100% possible. He turned in as if there was no car there.

 

[rono_thomas]

I will concede and offer my apologies to the OP for the contact.

You have my respect 👍

 

[baldgye]

I am the driver of the Porsche in this video, what the view that he is showing fails to show is that with him being so tight to the inside on the straight approaching the corner that he started braking so early on the straight that by the time we had reached the end of the straight and the turn in point for the corner he may have had at most his front bumper next to my back bumper due to the difference in speed and I figured he would realize that there was not room to make the pass and back off.


He did have a good run but I knew there was no way with his location on the track that he could hold that inside line and his speed and sure enough he because of his line was forced into braking early enough on the straight prior to corner entry that he was not able to complete the pass or even stay side by side before turn in. Some passes at high speed you can pull off and some you cannot and in my opinion it was a bad decision on the OP to try the pass he tried with his position on the track.

It was definitely a ballsy move by the OP and in no way did I intentionally make contact but with so many aggressive drivers making "forced" passes it conditions you to hold your line and position with perhaps to much gusto at times but that exact same situation I would do the same thing. There was not a clear car width passing lane without me moving over to allow him through.

We did run pretty hard for a few laps and had some fun nose to tail racing.

Having made a few moves on that corner and had moves made on myself at that corner, without being rude, that’s kinda of nonsense.

That’s a very wide very fast corner in which it’s pretty easy for more than two cars to run side by side.
You clearly had no idea where he was otherwise I don’t think you’d have hit him. Also I don’t think the OP did himself any favours backing off so much, if he had only dropped one gear and just held the line, the contact would have been door to door and the OP would have been able to hold his line and the corner.

 

[OdeFinn]

Case closed, nothing to see, go home.