Why are they keeping the Stiff Chase Cam?

[Tornado]

He brought up GTA because Bounkazz mentioned that free look camera style as something GTA had (which it has had since San Andreas). He then used the fact that GTA had it (and how GTA supposedly isn't a good driving game) as a reason to dismiss the camera system outright, even though several dedicated driving games have very similar camera systems (only better, because in Forza and Driver and etc. they aren't affected by momentum like they unfortunately are in GTA). I merely pointed out several of the dedicated driving games/series that did; and asked him if them having it meant they also weren't good driving games as a result.

 

[Swagger897]

He brought up GTA because Bounkazz mentioned that free look camera style as something GTA had (which it has had since San Andreas). He then used the fact that GTA had it (and how GTA supposedly isn't a good driving game) as a reason to dismiss the camera system outright, even though several dedicated driving games have very similar camera systems (only better, because in Forza and Driver and etc. they aren't affected by momentum like they unfortunately are in GTA). I merely pointed out several of the dedicated driving games/series that did; and asked him if them having it meant they also weren't good driving games as a result.

Well if that's your stance, and re-reading his as well.... There's no difference between you two. You both are trashing GTA for their chase cam, and also you represented Forza, and called it "out of whack" for a lack of better words...

The point is, there should be an option... Just like there should be an option for a power limiter (in which the pp and hp are correctly matched), just as there should be an option for brake bias, just as there should be an option for HUD settings..

I've said it soooo many times it's getting pointless unless anybody replies to it, but PD need to start acting like its a simulator, rather than a hobby... You can read my post about the drop menu, and get some inspiration about that.

Otherwise, this forum trolling/fighting is annoying between two big-heads...

 

[Bounkazz]

Why do you want to rotate the camera? The track is right in front of you... if you don't spun there is

To see the car, that's why you make it look pretty, right?

So it's easier to see the drivers around you.

Haha, I laughed too.

I was going to say this in an earlier post but I had a. Feeling that's where it would be going....

However, I use the right analog as my shifter, up for up, down for down. Left and right wise.... I got nothing, but I think I might use those for the R18 just to have it all down....

Maybe for some RA sensitivity but idk..

I use it for the same. Shifting. I don't need the camera to beable to go up or down, just left and right. Then we can carry on using up and down for shifting. However, I do use MT less and less naowdays. I'm not much much faster, if any faster with MT... I do use MT in drifting, however. Epic, shifting while drifting.

Well if that's your stance, and re-reading his as well.... There's no difference between you two. You both are trashing GTA for their chase cam, and also you represented Forza, and called it "out of whack" for a lack of better words...

The point is, there should be an option... Just like there should be an option for a power limiter (in which the pp and hp are correctly matched), just as there should be an option for brake bias, just as there should be an option for HUD settings..

I've said it soooo many times it's getting pointless unless anybody replies to it, but PD need to start acting like its a simulator, rather than a hobby... You can read my post about the drop menu, and get some inspiration about that.

Otherwise, this forum trolling/fighting is annoying between two big-heads...

I'm not trashing GTA at all. It's my favorite game. I only used R*'s free camera in GTA as an example. It's easy to use, completely free and fast. The camera in GTAIV is better btw, when going past 180* is chooses the shortest way back instead of the original way back as it does in GTAV. Not THAT'S diorientating. That's what I would like to see in GT5/6/7. Instead of my camera stuck behind my car, not being able to see my pretty rims on the car. That's why I put them on, to see them. Chill out.

Exactly, just give us the option.

 

[Tornado]

Well if that's your stance, and re-reading his as well.... There's no difference between you two. You both are trashing GTA for their chase cam, and also you represented Forza, and called it "out of whack" for a lack of better words...

You... dramatically misread what I was saying, I think.

 

[Swagger897]

You... dramatically misread what I was saying, I think.

I'm sorry if I did, but based on the two of you, you both hate the way rock star made their car chase cam and do not want the option in GT. You mentioned other series and different platforms and I did not see a reply from him stating they were both rubbish, only that they need not to add the option to GT, rather work on interior views due to they are sucky as Schmitt...

I agree with you that some series have done better, but being able to CHOOSE if I want it or not, is different from you neglecting that feature and never thinking about it at all..

At times I like the swivel cameras, at times, it annoys the heck outta me due to a random disturbance... I will choose to have it avail when I am just cruising, and deselect it when I am in a league race. That is what GT needs... Options upon options upon options... Quite with the car additives unless your UI department makes the wheels that go on the cars... It is slow, (or at least was in 5) and too in depth.. Have simple sub menses from one drop down will be great. Until, I find myself backing out to the game intro menu just to change my driving units or what else needs adjusted while I'm driving...

 

[Bounkazz]

He brought up GTA because Bounkazz mentioned that free look camera style as something GTA had (which it has had since San Andreas). He then used the fact that GTA had it (and how GTA supposedly isn't a good driving game) as a reason to dismiss the camera system outright, even though several dedicated driving games have very similar camera systems (only better, because in Forza and Driver and etc. they aren't affected by momentum like they unfortunately are in GTA). I merely pointed out several of the dedicated driving games/series that did; and asked him if them having it meant they also weren't good driving games as a result.

Btw, I like the fact it's affected by momentum. This means it will automatically return to it's original rear position, exactly where you need it when approaching a turn.

I'm sorry if I did, but based on the two of you, you both hate the way rock star made their car chase cam and do not want the option in GT. You mentioned other series and different platforms and I did not see a reply from him stating they were both rubbish, only that they need not to add the option to GT, rather work on interior views due to they are sucky as Schmitt...

I agree with you that some series have done better, but being able to CHOOSE if I want it or not, is different from you neglecting that feature and never thinking about it at all..

At times I like the swivel cameras, at times, it annoys the heck outta me due to a random disturbance... I will choose to have it avail when I am just cruising, and deselect it when I am in a league race. That is what GT needs... Options upon options upon options... Quite with the car additives unless your UI department makes the wheels that go on the cars... It is slow, (or at least was in 5) and too in depth.. Have simple sub menses from one drop down will be great. Until, I find myself backing out to the game intro menu just to change my driving units or what else needs adjusted while I'm driving...

Please read it again, you'll see we are supporting the GTA camera. Not trashing it.

 

[Tornado]

I'm sorry if I did, but based on the two of you, you both hate the way rock star made their car chase cam and do not want the option in GT.

I don't like how Rockstar made their chase cam, because the forward momentum of your car makes it impossible for you to easily swing it around making it pretty much useless compared to the one in Forza, PGR and the like. That has no bearing on whether I think GT should have a free chase cam option; which it absolutely should no matter how many people can't understand why people would like the ability.

You mentioned other series and different platforms and I did not see a reply from him stating they were both rubbish, only that they need not to add the option to GT, rather work on interior views due to they are sucky as Schmitt...

The only reason I brought up the other series and games was to see how far his double standard went. He already claimed that a rotating chase came is an inconceivable (to quote, "just so far out there it is beyond words") thing to have in a driving game while at the same time completely ignoring that the chase cam in itself is completely unrealistic and making it moveable doesn't change that in the slightest. He then went on to make the implication that because he doesn't think GTA is a good driving game, it has no features that it can contribute to the GT series. I brought up the other games to see if he has any other reason to claim a moveable chase cam like in GTA isn't a good idea to have besides how "lame" he thinks GTA is. Or, if those really good driving games from those series have it (and they do), then what difference does it make if GTA is a "bad" driving game that has it?

That's the question I'd like him to answer.

Btw, I like the fact it's affected by momentum. This means it will automatically return to it's original rear position, exactly where you need it when approaching a turn.

In Forza (and Driver and TDU, and probably PGR but I can't remember) if you let off the stick it automatically reverts to the original rear position anyway. It just doesn't make it harder to rotate the camera when you are at speed like it does in GTA.

 

[Swagger897]

Btw, I like the fact it's affected by momentum. This means it will automatically return to it's original rear position, exactly where you need it when approaching a turn.



Please read it again, you'll see we are supporting the GTA camera. Not trashing it.

It's not you but the other bloke from WV (no hate towards WV, originally from there...)

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

"Perfectly A-OK!"

Yet I never said that, I do not use the chase view in Gt and haven't for quite a few years. It is far from realistic but I do see the appeal for some.

"So far out there it is beyond words"

Being able to go around the car while driving is indeed, just dumb.

You can get back to me on how completely ridiculous the concept of looking around your car is in reality the next time you take your daily commute from 15 feet back and 5 feet up.

So basically you are trying to say that I said something I did not say in order to prove a point that doesn't exist? I see... and yes the consept of looking around the car while driving is stupid and totally unrealistic beyond words. That does not mean that driving from behind is realistic but it is at least possible [in a video game] whereas driving while rotating the camera to a position that does nto show you the road ahead is clearly not going to end well.

Ignoring the fact that this is a meaningless argument for the conversation for whether a free look option is beneficial to have: Driver: San Francisco. Project Gotham Racing. Forza. Are all of those also "not even close to a good driving game"?

Forza is a good driving game for sure but that feature is still dumb, hood view in Forza is very good, cockpit is not bad. Gotham I played, was fair but would not go so far as to call it good and I have never played driver but from what I saw I doubt that I would like it.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I'd hate to disprove you but the SLS AMG has good latitude views, except they lack in longitudinal...

Just about every game sucks in longitudinal view so we can't get over that. Normal field of views are around 130-150 and in GT it seems to be down to as low as 90...View attachment 85644

After looking at this image and noticing the HUD being different than mine, is this a limited HUD or what version is this from...

That hud view looks quite a lot different than the one I was referring to, that is much more tolerable

 

[Tornado]

Yet I never said that, I do not use the chase view in Gt and haven't for quite a few years. It is far from realistic but I do see the appeal for some.

Yet you can't see the appeal behind one with more control.

yes the consept of looking around the car while driving is stupid and totally unrealistic beyond words.

So what?

Forza is a good driving game for sure but that feature is still dumb

And why is that? A reason beyond "I think it's dumb", please.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Yet you can't see the appeal behind one with more control.
So what?
And why is that? A reason beyond "I think it's dumb", please.

IMO it is absolutely useless while driving and that is what you are supposed to be doing driving if not racing. Sure some think it is cool to be able to flick the stick and see the other side of their car but it has no value as a driving perspective and is a waste of development resources to add to a game.
Adding a proper hood view would make the game better where this rotating camera would be a waste of time.

 

[Swagger897]

IMO it is absolutely useless while driving and that is what you are supposed to be doing driving if not racing. Sure some think it is cool to be able to flick the stick and see the other side of their car but it has no value as a driving perspective and is a waste of development resources to add to a game.
Adding a proper hood view would make the game better where this rotating camera would be a waste of time.

Okay so maybe if they spent a little bit more time adding features such as a rotating camera on the roof to eliminate dirt or other films/residue left over would be cool, but at least give me the option to look wherever I want when I'm stopped, scrolling on my phone at Daytona or wherever, and carrying on a conversation.

Half the time that I was on GT, I would be racing with my league. The other half, I would be chilling in my R10, talking to my friends about racing and looking up parts to buy for my car IRl...

Use the game as you want, but I want the ability when I want to, to look around an snoop things out.

 

[jsjakesaid]

Use the secret menu in GT5, crank the FOV all the way up and drive using interior camera. You will piss your pants at how fast you are going.

What? HOW DO YOU ACCESS IT?

 

[wallpaper42]

I wish they would give us more camera options. I mean how hard would that be. I prefer a less stiff chase cam even though the stiff cam is probably better for hitting the apex. It just doesn't look good to me.

 

[DonZonda]

Another Thing I cant understand is. They add such amazing Premium cars to the game. But why they dont use the full potential to them? I mean if you have the best looking cars in racing games then you might want to Showcase them the best you can or not? I would do that.
And when you can't even spin around the camera in the chaseview to see all the Details and adore the car and in Cockpit you cant even look up and down, what makes them different in gameplay to the standarts ?!?!?!? And why all the effort to them?

Makes only sense in photomode and replay, which I personally don't care too much for. I want to enjoy them while I drive in gameplay.

 

[Dodzzz]

Well, it's because this is Gran Turismo 6, not The Adorable Cars Vol. 6

I'm sorry i'm just kidding

 

[PepeMickey]

People tend to forget that GT is just a videogame, if looking around your car is unrealistic, who cares? I'm not going crash and die because I wasn't looking at the road, nobody is going to get killed.

Yes, it's supposed to be a simulator but then all simulators are videogames and videogames are entertainment.

 

[CTznOfTime]

PD, please hire me, i will work on having these options implemented to satisfy your gamers and fans all alike!

The damper setting of the chase cam should be modifiable.

And i agree, there should be a free rotating camera option during the run. (free roaming).
As i driver, i also like to see my car being driven, seen from the outside...
But i guess that's why we have replays...

And please Kaz, bring back the "helicopter" view you had in GT2. The view from high above looking down like micro-machine! That was cool as heck.