Why does Gran Turismo not have updated cars like Forza?

[Ddkklop]

Why model the 365GTB4, when the 488 could have been modelled? Why model th '02 Viper, when the new Challenger Hellcat could have been modelled? Why model the E30 M3, when the new M5 could have been modelled?

These cars are cooler though Viper and E30 are iconic, and 365 is rare to find in racing games, so it's cool to have it.

 

[05XR8]

These cars are cooler though Viper and E30 are iconic, and 365 is rare to find in racing games, so it's cool to have it.

All three can be found in most racing games. Not really rare. E30 took 20 years to arrive in a GT game, when it's been in other franchises way longer. The 365GTB4 been in other games before GT6 got it.

With GTS, I was saying how some would argue modelling time would be best to bring newer cars than older cars. Especially since GTS was to be a modern car type game at debut. Nothing older than 2009.

I don't know if this game was meant to include older cars before GT7. Even though Kaz said GTS could be named GT7.
Maybe PD were hoping fans of GT, would have jumped to play GT online. It backfired. We got GTLeague. I think the Cobra was the first classic car we got. Correct me if I'm wrong. So, cool as the classic cars are, they weren't needed for that game. More newer cars, again some would argue, could have been modelled instead.

I love classic cars. Thing is, I wouldn't say no to current models over classic cars. Which makes me think, if PD modelled all the older than 2009 cars we got. Were they just building a library for the game after GTS? Did this slow the process to model current cars, that may have come to GTS, but now PD may be modelling for the next game?

 

[juanffy18]

Man i need a Koenigsegg in this game, the super spin wheel rear drive

 

[Keef]

The older I get the less I care about Super/Hyper cars. Their implementation into GT games even less so over the years (driving them always feels like eating a water biscuit without any cheese or chutney on it). I didn't bother voting in this one. If the Jesko or Senna were added to the game I doubt it would even make me put the disk back into the PS4.

To this day the car I have been most excited about seeing in a Game was the Saxo VTS in GT2. I had a Saxo and I was 19 and it was in a game and it blew my mind. I almost died when I found out you could turn it into to the Kit Car version as well. Good times. Now PD if you just add the 2009 Honda CRV 2.2 Diesel to GT7 .

This is how I feel about it as well. Hypercars are virtually useless to me both in person and in game because they’re unattainable and also literally useless from a practicality standpoint. I would honestly rather have a slew of Civics and Corollas and other more pedestrian cars which can be modified - racing modification for endless amounts of Gr4 cars anyone? Gr5 touring cars? Stuff like that is more appealing to me because I’ve actually owned some of these cars and have actually modified them. They’re also more accessible to more people, many of whom may never actually be able to keep a hypercar on the pavement without getting frustrated.

I really miss the days of racing Nissan Cubes, honestly. Give us our 80s and 90s regular people cars!

Edit: Speaking of cars we can actually own and drive, I realized the other day when a friend bought an E36 M3 that that car has never appeared in GT before. Pretty wild considering it’s legacy.

 

[RattyMcClelland]

This is how I feel about it as well. Hypercars are virtually useless to me both in person and in game because they’re unattainable and also literally useless from a practicality standpoint. I would honestly rather have a slew of Civics and Corollas and other more pedestrian cars which can be modified - racing modification for endless amounts of Gr4 cars anyone? Gr5 touring cars? Stuff like that is more appealing to me because I’ve actually owned some of these cars and have actually modified them. They’re also more accessible to more people, many of whom may never actually be able to keep a hypercar on the pavement without getting frustrated.

I really miss the days of racing Nissan Cubes, honestly. Give us our 80s and 90s regular people cars!

THIS^

Although I'd like a Bugatti EB110, XJ220 and Porsche 959 for old times sake.

 

[Volksauto]

I'm not sure why people only want one kind of car in the game. PD has always given people a bit of everything and that's exactly how I want the car list to be for GT7. I like classic cars but I'd never want the majority of the car list to be that. Its fun to drive super/hyper cars because of how insane they are out of the box. Casual commuter cars are fun to tune but I wouldn't want the majority of cars to be such because I play racing games to explore automotive experiences I couldn't do in real life. Race cars are fun because well, race cars. PD has always had a variety in their car rosters which is what makes GT such a replayable game. Games like Driveclub although have a lot of desirable cars in the real world, made the roster rather bland due to the majority of vehicles being similar.

 

[BigShamrock]

This is right. The question is, why?

First, licensing is not the reason. Yes, PD need to license cars but GT is the largest selling racing game in the world, with the exception of perhaps Mario Kart. They have the money and the brand to make it happen. If you doubt they can get people to collaborate with them, check out that driver they collaborated with... what's his name again... something like Lewis? Lol. And of course all the Vision cars are another great example.

PD is fanatical on car models at this point. That makes them slow. Most of the DLC cars were probably scheduled for production before GT Sport launched. I think we have to remember that the GTS car list is pretty fantastic. It covers a huge range of tastes. The holes in the list were never going to be filled completely by dlc. They chose to save content for GT7.

So in other words, they scrimped with intention? I see..

 

[Gejabo]

To be honest, in the older GT games I had the most fun in cheaper "accessable" cars.
Don't care very much for the hypercas like the Bugatti's and Pagani's.

But a mix would be the dream

 

[alphaV12]

I like hypercars like Bugatti Chiron or Ferrari SF90, but a thing that i love of old Gran Turismo is drive cars that you can see in the street un a normal day: Citroën C3, Opel Corsa, Ford Focus... I wish that GT7 have a mix of normal cars, supercars, muscle cars, classics...
And answer the question of the forum: or license or Kaz prefer add classics cars

 

[Doomotron]

I just want a fixed headlight 3000GT, maybe with a race version as well. I'd rather have that than some undriveable Koeniggseggs.

 

[TS050]

I just want a fixed headlight 3000GT, maybe with a race version as well. I'd rather have that than some undriveable Koeniggseggs.

Undrivable is subjective. More importantly, what’s with this community saying they want X over Y like it’s literally impossible to ask for both

 

[Dave A]

More importantly, what’s with this community saying they want X over Y like it’s literally impossible to ask for both

They're not saying you can't have X and Y, they're stating a preference for X over Y. There's a big difference, and there's nothing wrong with people saying what they like the most in terms of vehicles, tracks, gamplay features etc.

 

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[TiMcF1]

When I think of the recent response from Glickenhause that got picked up and dissected on social media regarding the licensing of one of their models to Gran turismo.
One could almost assume that interactions such as these happen alot between PD and Manufacturers.

PD Not wanting to pay 'royalties' in general could contribute alot to this. Honestly I found it amusing.

We hear it all the time, this car is not in a GT game either because:

A. PD did not succeed on negotiating the licensing for said model.

B. The model is exclusively licensed else where.

 

[05XR8]

Aston Martin Vulcan '16, is in Gran Turismo Sport and yet everyone seems to forget about it. For me the Hypercars are completely indifferent, they would be useful only for a specific showcase such as Scapes or Photo Mode in general, because driving they are completely terrifying, useless to have 2000HP if you then struggle to take the first corner without crashing ruinously.

Porsche 959, Porsche 911 GT1, Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR, McLaren F1 GT-R LongTail, Jaguar XJ220, Bugatti EB110 etc. These are some examples of what I believe to be Hypercars and would like to see in game.

au contraire, noone who has played GT Sport, will ever forget the Aston Martin Vulcan '16. Supposedly, it's a hyper car with drum brakes front & rear.

 

[alex511]

Yes, for me, the Hypercars like the Vulcan and LaFerrari are disappointing for me. Bad driving behavior. But I like the Ruf. Very good are in GT the GT Class-Cars, please more.

 

[TiMcF1]

I like hypercars like Bugatti Chiron or Ferrari SF90, but a thing that i love of old Gran Turismo is drive cars that you can see in the street un a normal day: Citroën C3, Opel Corsa, Ford Focus... I wish that GT7 have a mix of normal cars, supercars, muscle cars, classics...
And answer the question of the forum: or license or Kaz prefer add classics cars

Yes just as in GT2 and 4 where there was different specs of the same model-not just GTR's- e.g the e46 range we got in GT4 which consisted of the M3, CSL, and the GTR.

It's a guarantee we will get the top model of a given range and those should continue to take priority. Though I still appreciate the sentiment behind the lesser more affordable models. There is something appealing about maximising the performance out of a lesser spec car driving and tuning wise.

Having a few non M car series models from BMW or non AMG class model cars from Mercedes respectively for instance would be excellent.

Also, remember in GT2 how the impreza 22b would only appear in the Subaru used car lot on certain days? You would have to make do with the more common wrx models untill you found.....it. I'd love to see a mechanic like that take place in GT7. I'm all for hunting down legendary marks that take a while to appear. It could also make trading all the more fun and maybe even profitable if you managed to have duplicates of a highly saught after mark.

 

[ScottPuss20]

au contraire, noone who has played GT Sport, will ever forget the Aston Martin Vulcan '16. Supposedly, it's a hyper car with drum brakes front & rear.

It's supposed to handle like a GT3 car, but it doesn't.

 

[alex511]

It's supposed to handle like a GT3 car, but it doesn't.

Yes, it’s a joke, more a golf GTI than a GT-Car, and so much horse power on paper!

 

[05XR8]

Yes just as in GT2 and 4 where there was different specs of the same model-not just GTR's- e.g the e46 range we got in GT4 which consisted of the M3, CSL, and the GTR.

It's a guarantee we will get the top model of a given range and those should continue to take priority. Though I still appreciate the sentiment behind the lesser more affordable models. There is something appealing about maximising the performance out of a lesser spec car driving and tuning wise.

Having a few non M car series models from BMW or non AMG class model cars from Mercedes respectively for instance would be excellent.

Also, remember in GT2 how the impreza 22b would only appear in the Subaru used car lot on certain days? You would have to make do with the more common wrx models untill you found.....it. I'd love to see a mechanic like that take place in GT7. I'm all for hunting down legendary marks that take a while to appear. It could also make trading all the more fun and maybe even profitable if you managed to have duplicates of a highly saught after mark.

That's what was good about having the 120d and Lexus IS200 models. Base model MINI One and Toyota Vitz. More of that, is definitely welcome in GT7.

 

[inkiphox]

Kids don't hang posters of Ford Focus' and Toyota Corolla's on their walls.

The AE86 wants a word. That thing's still popular as a drift car in Ireland since they're not too difficult to pick up

On a note, I've always had the impression GT Mode was about building up from bottom to the top and experimenting with all sorts of different types of cars, so it naturally makes sense there should be a lot of lower to mid-range and older cars as they'd be easier for the player to get their hands on, much like real life, and then add the newer blazing edge stuff rarely to make it more of a hype-thing/build up.

That's what was good about having the 120d and Lexus IS200 models. Base model MINI One and Toyota Vitz. More of that, is definitely welcome in GT7.

Pretty much what I just said, I didn't notice this post lol. o.o

Couldn't give a flying monkeys about modern supercars, racecars etc.
Give me the FULL catalogue of 1980-1990s japanese turd boxes, tsukuba and a best motoring track setup and I'll be happy.

Same lol, I wonder how much this sentiment can be echoed along quite a bit of the GT scene as the older games had these cars so prominently. Same applies to older European cars :3

 

[Strittan]

The only modern super car that excites me the slightest is Gordon Murray’s T.50. Other than that, I can’t think of anything less attractive and less exciting than a modern super car, regardless of make. They're all heavier than an old Volvo estate, they're all automatic and they all pretty much look the same, i.e. like a big ugly spaceship.

 

[SestoScudo]

The only modern super car that excites me the slightest is Gordon Murray’s T.50. Other than that, I can’t think of anything less attractive and less exciting than a modern super car, regardless of make. They're all heavier than an old Volvo estate, they're all automatic and they all pretty much look the same, i.e. like a big ugly spaceship.

I hope GT7 features more supercars from the 90s and the 2000s.

The 90s is my favourite era.

 

[Doomotron]

The new De Tomaso and that fast electric car from The Grand Tour would be pretty cool, but not as cool as a CLK-GTR and Venturi.

 

[Donnced]

Gran Turismo seems to have an affinity for "legacy" car brands like Ferrari, Chevrolet, Mercedes, Nissan, Honda, Ford and Porsche. These brands understand what people want and the huge appeal their cars have. They don't ask for absurd loyalties like Glickenhaus; they obviously have pretty fair asking prices which PD jumps on. They're more discerning with the prices compared to Forza - they want a fair deal, not just any deal. Yes, we want these boutique manufacturers to come on board but it may not be worth the money. In my opinion, PD are better off adding fan favourite vehicles that people can feasibly access and drive themselves. They have a stronger connection to the average enthusiast and will please a lot of people. That is the core of Gran Turismo.

I quite don't understand why pd doesn't licence a lot of cars... when they have a lot of money to get them...for example Suzuka license fee is really one of the highest in the world, le Mans also..or look the problems to licence again spa for GT SPORT.

Little studios as kunos has Ferrari 488 GT3 in original AC, a lot of nice Porsche race cars, Lotus cars...and even glikckenhaus

The pcars series also got a good amount of licenced cars I would love to see in GT.

Since GT5/6 not a lot of new cars came to GT, most are from older series, and most of the new ones are made in pd race cars based on real ones and prototypes as vision GT

 

[05XR8]

That's a way to get around licence fees, by creating their own versions.
I pointed out a while ago, one of the reasons we got GR.4 versions of real life GT4 cars. The game came out in 3017. Some real GT4 cars weren't out yet.

In the case of the Mustang GT4, that came out in 2017. The M4 GT4 was to debut as well. Cayman GT4 was new in 2016. I believe GT Sport was delayed from 2016. The McLaren 570S GT4 debuted in 2015. Not sure why PD decided on the 650S, as there was time to model the 570S.
Vantage GT4 been out for a while. That's another one.
F-Type GT4 had not come out as yet and the AMG GT GT4 was in development.
A Corvette GT4 is real, but it was the C6. We did get a C6 RM in GT5P. So, us getting the C7 GR.4 makes sense. However, there was a Camaro GT4 privately developed in the European GT4 series and Camaros run in GT4 class in the states. Current Camaro GT4.R are run in Europe and the USA.

The GR.4 Supra is a weird one. PD helped Toyota develop the A90, but we got just a livery and exterior aero kit. Not the interior of the race car.

With the GR 4 FF cars. The Audi TT Cup is made to GT4 regulations. The Peugeot RCZ was a real race car that participated in. The Bathurst 12H. There was also a Magane FF touring car, but that was a private concept. GR.4 Scriocco, is like the N24(from GT6) and Scirocco One Make race series in Germany.
With TCR having started in 2015, I don't know why PD didn't model some cars after those. That could have been licencing problems due to pc(not Project Cars) games having the licence.

Hopefully, we get these real versions of GT4 and TCR cars for GT7. Updated versions of GT3 cars has long been requested.

 

[ZEE]

I quite don't understand why pd doesn't licence a lot of cars... when they have a lot of money to get them...for example Suzuka license fee is really one of the highest in the world, le Mans also..or look the problems to licence again spa for GT SPORT.

Little studios as kunos has Ferrari 488 GT3 in original AC, a lot of nice Porsche race cars, Lotus cars...and even glikckenhaus

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The pcars series also got a good amount of licenced cars I would love to see in GT.

Since GT5/6 not a lot of new cars came to GT, most are from older series, and most of the new ones are made in pd race cars based on real ones and prototypes as vision GT

Donnced, chk this, Project cars is very different to Gran Turismo, judging by it's latest release being really bad, as it is well documented in this forum.

I know for a fact that Glickenhaus is a very difficult manufacturer saying they would not license their cars and IP's to any other racing games. As shown here on this site:
https://www.gtplanet.net/scg-gran-turismo-fair-royalty-20200903/

When manufacturers deny us such wonderous cars like this for a videogame, it makes me wonder what kind of people they are!

 

[Famine]

I know for a fact that Glickenhaus is a very difficult manufacturer saying they would not license their cars and IP's to any other racing games. As shown here on this site:
https://www.gtplanet.net/scg-gran-turismo-fair-royalty-20200903/

When manufacturers deny us such wonderous cars like this for a videogame, it makes me wonder what kind of people they are!

That's not an entirely fair assessment. SCG simply said they'd expect a fair royalty. We don't know if that's because they value themselves too highly, or because Sony/PD values it much lower, or a mix of both; we only know that what SCG considers a fair royalty for licensing its cars is higher than what Sony/PD considers it to be. I don't doubt Sony/PD has a pricing matrix based on perceived value/ROI of certain brands.

 

[ZEE]

That's not an entirely fair assessment. SCG simply said they'd expect a fair royalty. We don't know if that's because they value themselves too highly, or because Sony/PD values it much lower, or a mix of both; we only know that what SCG considers a fair royalty for licensing its cars is higher than what Sony/PD considers it to be. I don't doubt Sony/PD has a pricing matrix based on perceived value/ROI of certain brands.

You drive a valid point FAMINE, but what I meant to get across was if most other manufacturers are using GRAN TURISMO as a dedicated showcase (JAG VGT for example) to showoff there newest or top end models, why does "a fair royalty" factor in?

Porsche and Mazda (equally good racing heritage car brands) seem to be very high on PD's respected brands list at the moment.

Surely, both parties would have considerable budgets to accommodate such models into the Gran Turismo's vehicle list and come to an agreement for us petty mortal PS players to enjoy, it seems there is more to Glickenhaus than meets the eye.

 

[Famine]

You drive a valid point FAMINE, but what I meant to get across was if most other manufacturers are using GRAN TURISMO as a dedicated showcase (JAG VGT for example) to showoff there newest or top end models, why does "a fair royalty" factor in?

It comes down to ROI (return on investment). Jaguar thinks that it will gain more from the exposure of the VGTs than it loses (in time spent on it by designers, but also monetarily if it's making models of it) by engaging with the project, so it does. SCG doesn't think it's losing out on cars in front of eyes of GT players because the people who buy the cars aren't GT players*, so for them it's all about the image rights.


*Which is a surprisingly short-term view; Ruf, among others, has expressed a view that its cars are now much more popular among 30-40 year olds as a result of them driving them in GT2 as kids.