Why Gran Turismo Sport?

[syntex123]

I say ditch every non premium and introduce much more customization options like swaps and livery editing, even with a lower number of cars, having endless possibilities will make each car even more special.

Yeah, of course, I agree to that. But I think they should premiumize some older cars, much more customization options to older cars than newer cars. I'm all in for a rich customization, but it's not always fun to customize expensive cars you can't relate to or afford IRL. Customizing a few normal cars, like let's say the typical Civic, a Golf, or maybe an Audi A4 from 2002 is more fun. I don't care for all the 2010 and newer super cars, I want more normal cars to tune up visually and ofc the performance. More unique to fix up a rat of an A3 than a let's say Pagani, imo.

 

[civicgsir]

PD is trying to separate the hardcore players from GT?

So GT for casuals.

GT Sport for hardcores.

I remember Kaz saying something along these lines in the past. Bet this could fit into that.

How does Kaz still have a job? I dont really like saying somebody should be fired because their job is how they make their living. But I have never seen someone in gaming more deserving of getting the boot then this guy.

if GT Sports isnt amazing, it will bomb and so will GT7.

I agree. Productivity and communication are clearly the companies largest failings. This falls directly on the lap of Kaz as "president" of PD.

15mi+ sales between two games last generation.

That was off the previous success of the series and its old reputation, going into what was at the time, a 'next gen' PS3.

GT5-6 really goes to show how 'slow azz slow' or behind PD is.



After the last 2 GT's I am totally jaded and not giving them an inch of anything this go around.

They got all their inches off me with the P$3.

 

[2clicks]

I really hope that they don't get rid of the high-performance '99-'00 cars. I'm relishing the thought of driving an S2000 GT1 on my PS4.

 

[JoeH187]

Maybe it's an indication that Gran Turismo will finally be a sporty "racing" game rather than the somewhat dull and uninspired driving/car collectors game it has been in recent years. I like the new name.

I hope it stays the course.

 

[Vspectra]

How does Kaz still have a job? I dont really like saying somebody should be fired because their job is how they make their living. But I have never seen someone in gaming more deserving of getting the boot then this guy.

Can you imagine 343 announcing to the world the next Halo would not be Halo 5, but a stripped down Prologue, scheduled for release NEXT year? At least Hideo Kojima released the MGS5 prologue 1 year after the PS4's launch, and the full game 2 years after launch. And that was enough to get Kojima fired!

Its shocking Sony still allows Kaz to run wild and do whatever he wants. Look at Microsoft and the short leash they have Dan Greenawalt on - he gets a new game out every 24 months right on schedule. And his games have actually been good, unlike the past few GT titles.

 

[Earth]

Look, Im just calling it as I see it. Kaz gets 3-4 years and tens of millions to make these games, and they come out unfinished and mediocre at best, along with the need for 12-18 months worth of patches just to complete them.

PD and Kaz have been habitually underperforming for an entire decade. If Donald Trump was his boss he would have been fired long ago. I can absolutely promise you that. If I ran SCE I would fund someone else to be the premier racing sim for the Playstation.

The problem is Kaz has grown too big to the point where he is untouchable. Hes the figurative head of this GT Academy (Ordonez is the mascot), he has all these ties with automotive companies...at this point SCE cant get rid of him even if it was for the better.

I think its become clear Kaz is out of ideas, and the future of GT to him is trying to connect it to the real world of racing as much as possible. The problem is real world racing is hyper competitive, dangerous, and expensive. I have no interest in being a real world racer, so thats a big issue for me that the game is starting to really focus on that.

Its time for a fresh start. Remember how 343 now makes Halo games, not Bungie? Well they need somebody else to start making Gran Turismo titles, not Polyphony Digital. After 5 minutes we'll get over not getting perfectly detailed headlights and real world racing competitions but rather we'll focus on and enjoy the better gameplay. Maybe give the franchise over to the best and brightest minds at Slightly Mad Studios and Image Space Incorporated. Let them form a new studio to push GT forward.

Sorry that this post is so negative, but Im having great difficulty seeing any shred of positive light coming from PD for an entire decade. GT7 was suppose to be where they turned a corner. But we're already seeing garbage in GTS, like 3 totally different classes racing eachother, 2 of which that would never be allowed to race on the Nurburgring. And of course only mentions of real world racing competitions, and zero mentions of gameplay improvement, outside of hallow promises.

 

[glassjaw]

PD and Kaz have been habitually underperforming for an entire decade. If Donald Trump was his boss he would have been fired long ago. I can absolutely promise you that. If I ran SCE I would fund someone else to be the premier racing sim for the Playstation.

I get where you're coming from, but then you brought Trump into it so I stopped reading.

 

[Imari]

The problem is Kaz has grown too big to the point where he is untouchable.

Due to his position within Sony, Kaz has been untouchable for a long time.

 

[gtracedriver1]

Look, Im just calling it as I see it. Kaz gets 3-4 years and tens of millions to make these games, and they come out unfinished and mediocre at best, along with the need for 12-18 months worth of patches just to complete them.

PD and Kaz have been habitually underperforming for an entire decade. If Donald Trump was his boss he would have been fired long ago. I can absolutely promise you that. If I ran SCE I would fund someone else to be the premier racing sim for the Playstation.

The problem is Kaz has grown too big to the point where he is untouchable. Hes the figurative head of this GT Academy (Ordonez is the mascot), he has all these ties with automotive companies...at this point SCE cant get rid of him even if it was for the better.

I think its become clear Kaz is out of ideas, and the future of GT to him is trying to connect it to the real world of racing as much as possible. The problem is real world racing is hyper competitive, dangerous, and expensive. I have no interest in being a real world racer, so thats a big issue for me that the game is starting to really focus on that.

Its time for a fresh start. Remember how 343 now makes Halo games, not Bungie? Well they need somebody else to start making Gran Turismo titles, not Polyphony Digital. After 5 minutes we'll get over not getting perfectly detailed headlights and real world racing competitions but rather we'll focus on and enjoy the better gameplay. Maybe give the franchise over to the best and brightest minds at Slightly Mad Studios and Image Space Incorporated. Let them form a new studio to push GT forward.

Sorry that this post is so negative, but Im having great difficulty seeing any shred of positive light coming from PD for an entire decade. GT7 was suppose to be where they turned a corner. But we're already seeing garbage in GTS, like 3 totally different classes racing eachother, 2 of which that would never be allowed to race on the Nurburgring. And of course only mentions of real world racing competitions, and zero mentions of gameplay improvement, outside of hallow promises.

How do you know what Kaz is doing behind the scenes ? Looks like you need to stop bothering about him and the game and spend time on enjoying what you like instead.

 

[ss3]

Why is it called Gran Turismo Sport and not GT 7?

In my opinion it's because they have a long term project in mind with this game. It will launch at the end of 2016 and stay for all the life cycle of the PS4, continuing with the philosophy of monthly updates to keep the game up to date.
This is just my personal opinion and it's all speculation.

What do you guys think?

Sorry for any grammatical errors

It's cuz it's a different series for GT

 

[breyzipp]

I think it will be a reboot as well, probably the following things :

1 - It will be a watered down version of GT6 in regards to the amount of cars and tracks because they finally will take quality over quantity. If you have 1000+ old car models it's impossible to do them proper again with higher quality visuals, audio and physics.

2 - Indeed the "sport" will focus on the partnership with FIA, they will see playing GT as a form of sport as well.

3 - Like someone said earlier, it might very well be a platform they will keep on working on. Maybe adding more tracks and cars in the future in the form of major annual expansion packs.

 

[TurismoBad]

Because not "Prologue". "Sport" will sell more. I don't expect the game living up to it's name or having cool specific "Sport" modes or a lot more race cars / race mode / rules / anything.

I totally expect to say "so where is "Sport" in this GT Sport ?"

This opinion as well as anything I expect from GTS is influenced by what PD did on PS3.

I'll happily admit of being wrong if PD will actually deliver.

 

[Samus]

I'm honestly expecting it to be mostly the same as GT5P with an FIA competition tacked on. That way I surely can't be disappointed.

 

[Turbo]

Because not "Prologue". "Sport" will sell more. I don't expect the game living up to it's name or having cool specific "Sport" modes or a lot more race cars / race mode / rules / anything.

I totally expect to say "so where is "Sport" in this GT Sport ?"

This opinion as well as anything I expect from GTS is influenced by what PD did on PS3.

I'll happily admit of being wrong if PD will actually deliver.

I doubt having the name "Sport" instead of "Prologue" will make the game sell more.

 

[TexRex]

I totally expect to say "so where is "Sport" in this GT Sport ?"

I totally expect you to as well.

 

[Samus]

I doubt having the name "Sport" instead of "Prologue" will make the game sell more.

The average consumer walks into a store blind or skims news/reports before buying a game, they don't read up on it extensively. They see "Prologue" on the shelf or in the article and right away they believe it's a cut-down game released before the full thing later, since that is the meaning of the word and they might know it from older titles with the same name. So they might not buy it. 'Sport' on the other hand has no pre-conceptions, it tells you nothing about the scope of the game so more may buy it on impulse.

Consumers are fickle beasts and marketing teams know it.

 

[TurismoBad]

I doubt having the name "Sport" instead of "Prologue" will make the game sell more.

Fair enough. Just let me show why I think it will sell more as "Sport"

GT casual fan sees one of those:

Prologue - not a full GT game. Sport - Sport oriented GT game.

The first one brings to mind what ? (not to everyone obviously) "Oh so it's not a full game, I'll wait for full version"

While the second one doesn't tell you it's size - just the "Sport" focus, so while people may still think it's not GT7 they don't immediately assume it's 1/4 of the game.

I see "GT Sport" carrying more value

 

[Tornado]

Plus "Prologue" as a concept is a known quantity to people who casually follow the series, and it would be an understatement to say that the transition from the last Prologue to a full game wasn't a smooth one.

 

[PureAlpha1206]

Plus "Prologue" as a concept is a known quantity to people who casually follow the series, and it would be an understatement to say that the transition from the last Prologue to a full game wasn't a smooth one.

This is very true and probably the large part of the intention behind the name. Although I also think it could become a spin-off series as Horizon has done for Forza in the future.

 

[RACECAR]

I doubt having the name "Sport" instead of "Prologue" will make the game sell more.

I 'm confident based solely on sales and the way things were handled, no one is interested in a "Prologue" anymore.

 

[TexRex]

What do we know with absolute certainty at this point? I haven't been following it a great deal because I don't anticipate upgrading to PS4 unless one falls into my lap like the PS3 did, but I gather not a whole lot has been revealed, as is PD's prerogative. So for all we know, the reasoning for the "Sport" designation may be pretty clear cut once the game's officially released.

Also, my understanding is that the game released prior to GT5 was designated as Gran Turismo 5 Prologue rather than Gran Turismo Prologue, so Sport could very easily be entirely separate from the GT franchise as we know it, with Gran Turismo 7 being released at a later date.

 

[Tornado]

What do we know with absolute certainty at this point? I haven't been following it a great deal because I don't anticipate upgrading to PS4 unless one falls into my lap like the PS3 did, but I gather not a whole lot has been revealed, as is PD's prerogative. So for all we know, the reasoning for the "Sport" designation may be pretty clear cut once the game's officially released.

Also, my understanding is that the game released prior to GT5 was designated as Gran Turismo 5 Prologue rather than Gran Turismo Prologue, so Sport could very easily be entirely separate from the GT franchise as we know it, with Gran Turismo 7 being released at a later date.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with all this. We really don't know much of anything to claim whether the Sport actually means anything. My point is just that calling it a Prologue even if it does end up just being a Prologue with a shiny new name probably would have been to its detriment. It's far too late in the PS4's life for people to care about a paid demo for a game, especially when the last time they did a demo for a game the ultimate game released three years later and didn't really resemble the demo much anyway. There's no doubt that a lot of people got their $40 worth out GT5: P, but as a preview for GT5 it was somewhat useless and it at least had the benefit of being announced half year after the system launched with the promise of the full one being just around the corner.

 

[TexRex]

Don't get me wrong, I agree with all this. We really don't know much of anything to claim whether the Sport actually means anything. My point is just that calling it a Prologue even if it does end up just being a Prologue with a shiny new name probably would have been to its detriment. It's far too late in the PS4's life for people to care about a paid demo for a game, especially when the last time they did a demo for a game the ultimate game released three years later and didn't really resemble the demo much anyway. There's no doubt that a lot of people got their $40 worth out GT5: P, but as a preview for GT5 it was somewhat useless and it at least had the benefit of being announced half year after the system launched with the promise of the full one being just around the corner.

No I get that, and should Gran Turismo Sport end up being, in essence, a Gran Turismo 7 Prologue, I can understand and even appreciate a "Why not just call it that?" and "Because it would have turned people away." debate. But with our limited knowledge of what it's actually going to be, this is all speculative drivel comparable to "I hope the Koenigsegg Regera will be in it." instant-lock threads.

 

[Imari]

But with our limited knowledge of what it's actually going to be, this is all speculative drivel comparable to "I hope the Koenigsegg Regera will be in it." instant-lock threads.

Everything is speculative drivel about GTS at the moment. We know basically nothing other than there's a game called Gran Turismo Sport and it involves the FIA and motorsport somehow.

We can all go home and shut the site down for a few months until some real information turns up, or we can all sit and speculate and dribble together.

 

[RACECAR]

We can all go home and shut the site down for a few months until some real information turns up, or we can all sit and speculate and dribble together.

Only one of these options is guaranteed to have cookies

 

[Divaldo]

GT Sport is to be released earlier as there will be GT Academy this year.

 

[Samus]

GT Sport is to be released earlier as there will be GT Academy this year.

Says who? The man behind that scheme has left Nissan and they've been dropping previous winners left right and center. I think it's therefore extremely likely there will be no GTA this year, replaced instead with the FIA events.

The full GT Sport, if not delayed, is almost certain to launch in the common September - November timeframe.

 

[ukshaun]

I would like to see Circuit de Monaco, re created using the power of Playstation 4. The track looks ok on Playstation 3 in GT6 but it is looking somewhat dated. I guess GT Sport wants to keep up with the likes of Project Cars. The big question is, will there still be Playstation 2 quality cars / tracks in Gran Turismo 7 ? ..as they could all use a re model.

Circuit de Monaco needs more boats, and people including bikini clad babes sipping champagne should be on those boats. The ocean shoudl sparkle. While sun shine is nice, it should rain, and become nighttime also, as an option.

One final *want* - please let there be a Ferrari F50 in a future Gran Turismo game

 

[Samus]

I would like to see Circuit de Monaco, re created using the power of Playstation 4. The track looks ok on Playstation 3 in GT6 but it is looking somewhat dated. I guess GT Sport wants to keep up with the likes of Project Cars. The big question is, will there still be Playstation 2 quality cars / tracks in Gran Turismo 7 ? ..as they could all use a re model.

Circuit de Monaco needs more boats, and people including bikini clad babes sipping champagne should be on those boats. The ocean shoudl sparkle. While sun shine is nice, it should rain, and become nighttime also, as an option.

One final *want* - please let there be a Ferrari F50 in a future Gran Turismo game

The track layout is also equally outdated, nearly every corner has seen some sort of change since 2004.

 

[FoRiZon]

The track layout is also equally outdated, nearly every corner has seen some sort of change since 2004.

It was intentional to avoid licensing issues.

The only game that currently permitted to have a correct Monaco layout is the F1 Official game itself.