Why Gran Turismo Sport?

[Brend]

What I want to know is, what is classified as 'Early 2016' in PD's book. Aren't we supposed to be expecting a Beta in the first half of the year?

 

[FoRiZon]

What I want to know is, what is classified as 'Early 2016' in PD's book. Aren't we supposed to be expecting a Beta in the first half of the year?

I dont know and this is what really bothers me.

PD lacks communication so much it pisses off large number of customers. They're not making a terrible game nor they loses much of their product characteristics. Its just they are really slow and disorganized on practice.

 

[Samus]

It was intentional to avoid licensing issues.

The only game that currently permitted to have a correct Monaco layout is the F1 Official game itself.

Project CARS would like a word.



It's a public road, anyone can model it, they just can't call it Circuit de Monaco without dealing with the principality.

 

[Tornado]

Cote d'Azur was never "right."

 

[Tired Tyres]

It's not about licencing. They are public roads. The licence would be for the Monaco Grand Prix.

Edit. Should read previous posts.

 

[Samus]

Cote d'Azur was never "right."

Indeed it wasn't but obviously now it's really not right.

 

[jm79]

So GT for casuals.

GT Sport for hardcores.

How I see it...

A bit late to this discussion (GTP n00b), but I really hope this is how it goes.
A proper hardcore sim-only thing for GT Sport. If the FIA are involved, surely this has to be physics to the max?

(my only doubt is that 'all ages' stuff in the trailer)

Some news would also be good, Polyphony need to get better at this (or perhaps I'm just impatient)...

 

[ukshaun]

It was intentional to avoid licensing issues.

The only game that currently permitted to have a correct Monaco layout is the F1 Official game itself.

They could atleast up date the quality of the look of the level using new textures. Maybe re visit the location to adjust to the now. As for 'correct layout' - i think most GT players would be happy to see the road copied, which should be ok, and barriers put in place to create an original track similar, but not the same as the F1 layout.

 

[sems4arsenal]

What I want to know is, what is classified as 'Early 2016' in PD's book. Aren't we supposed to be expecting a Beta in the first half of the year?

Geneva is 2 weeks-ish away so should be soon. I'm thinking Sony at GDC will be a PSVR blowout so we will probably see GTS there.

 

[Soyuz 77]

Here's my theory: GT Sport will continue the pure racing experience that has driven the franchise for many years now. On the other hand, GT 7, the continuation of the name we all know will be used for a more casual driving experience. The sort of thing Sony needs to compete with Forza Horizon. After all, that is a huge market which a) Sony is missing out on and b) Gran Turismo fans (although not all of them) have been requesting for years. The reason we see GT Sport appearing before GT7 is because racing simulation is much more familiar territory for PD. Once sales of GT Sport begins for the die-hard racing enthusiasts, I believe (and am hoping a little bit) we can expect to see signs of an open world addition coming to the series.

 

[PureAlpha1206]

Here's my theory: GT Sport will continue the pure racing experience that has driven the franchise for many years now. On the other hand, GT 7, the continuation of the name we all know will be used for a more casual driving experience. The sort of thing Sony needs to compete with Forza Horizon. After all, that is a huge market which a) Sony is missing out on and b) Gran Turismo fans (although not all of them) have been requesting for years. The reason we see GT Sport appearing before GT7 is because racing simulation is much more familiar territory for PD. Once sales of GT Sport begins for the die-hard racing enthusiasts, I believe (and am hoping a little bit) we can expect to see signs of an open world addition coming to the series.

This is a VERY good theory actually. I could see this being the case 100%

 

[ImaRobot]

Here's my theory: GT Sport will continue the pure racing experience that has driven the franchise for many years now. On the other hand, GT 7, the continuation of the name we all know will be used for a more casual driving experience. The sort of thing Sony needs to compete with Forza Horizon. After all, that is a huge market which a) Sony is missing out on and b) Gran Turismo fans (although not all of them) have been requesting for years. The reason we see GT Sport appearing before GT7 is because racing simulation is much more familiar territory for PD. Once sales of GT Sport begins for the die-hard racing enthusiasts, I believe (and am hoping a little bit) we can expect to see signs of an open world addition coming to the series.

It doesn't seem likely that a numbered GT game will be, in any way, a competitor to the Horizon series. That seems more like something for a spin-off title, you know, something like GT Sport is.

Although, it makes me wonder, what is the difference going to be between an actual numbered GT and GTS? It seems like the same basic concept, outside of the whole FIA sanctioned events. It really doesn't seem like something that should have required a totally different name in the first place, and could have just been things that are implemented into it. Although, with what little we know, it's hard to argue against the decision right now.

 

[PureAlpha1206]

I think that @Soyuz 77 has it right up until GT7 being like Horizons... but I do think that GT7 may end up more like Forza Motorsports than previous GT's have been in the past. I think we will see GTS take on the more serious, physics based sim and GT7 morph into a less serious, yet still relatively true to physics game perhaps with more of what the general consumer wants from a racer?

 

[Samus]

continue the pure racing experience

Sorry, the what now? GT has not been a pure racing experience for a long time.

 

[ImaRobot]

I think that @Soyuz 77 has it right up until GT7 being like Horizons... but I do think that GT7 may end up more like Forza Motorsports than previous GT's have been in the past. I think we will see GTS take on the more serious, physics based sim and GT7 morph into a less serious, yet still relatively true to physics game perhaps with more of what the general consumer wants from a racer?

GT and Forza have always lined up pretty well in the past, and still currently do. I'm not sure why you'd think it would barely be doing so now. In my opinion, there should be no separation of physics between the two GT titles, but that's also why I feel there shouldn't have been a separation of the two titles in the first place.

 

[PureAlpha1206]

GT and Forza have always lined up pretty well in the past, and still currently do. I'm not sure why you'd think it would barely be doing so now. In my opinion, there should be no separation of physics between the two GT titles, but that's also why I feel there shouldn't have been a separation of the two titles in the first place.

Lined up pretty well yes. But in my opinion, Forza surpassed GT somewhere along the lines and now GT is playing catch-up a little bit. Aside from the physics of the game, Forza seems to take everything GT does and do it better.

Don't take that as me putting down GT, I absolutely love it... just stating what I see in both games.

I do agree about the separation of the two titles though. It leaves some confusion for fans of the series.

 

[Soyuz 77]

If I'm honest, the separating of the titles confuses me a little bit as well...

Assuming my theory is correct (which is extremely unlikely), it does seem strange that PD would continue to use the same name for a game built on almost completely different principles. The only thing supporting the idea is that Gran Turismo translates to: "Grand Tour" which might fit a driving simulator rather than a racing sim. Hence the name GT Sport.

 

[Samus]

If I'm honest, the separating of the titles confuses me a little bit as well...

Assuming my theory is correct (which is extremely unlikely), it does seem strange that PD would continue to use the same name for a game built on almost completely different principles. The only thing supporting the idea is that Gran Turismo translates to: "Grand Tour" which might fit a driving simulator rather than a racing sim. Hence the name GT Sport.

I dunno, it seems rather straightforward to me. GT7 will remain the driving game with some casually constructed races in the tired old vein of Sunday Cup and Like The Wind. GTS will be the more serious racing game focusing solely on real world racing series with more realistic settings like qualifying, the concept of seasons, flags/rules etc.

 

[jm79]

...GTS will be the more serious racing game focusing solely on real world racing series with more realistic settings like qualifying, the concept of seasons, flags/rules etc.

If this is the case with GTS, and I hope so, it will be interesting to see how they make money from this...

One off charge for the 'game', then small fees for championships, or cars...?

Also, as it's FIA-sanctioned, prize money?

 

[Annoyed_GT]

Why are we all supposedly hung up on software developer communication these Days?
Seems more a trend than a necessity.
Something to get apparently angry about.
Seemingly Gone are the days when you bought a game out of faith.
And trust me, the daily economy hasn't changed much from then till now
Only public expectation.
People seem to apparent frustrated and angry over the smallest things these days

 

[ImaRobot]

Why are we all supposedly hung up on software developer communication these Days?
Seems more a trend than a necessity.
Something to get apparently angry about.
Seemingly Gone are the days when you bought a game out of faith.
And trust me, the daily economy hasn't changed much from then till now
Only public expectation.
People seem to apparent frustrated and angry over the smallest things these days

Supposedly? Yeah, the people posting about it just don't care, they're actually just pretending. Gone are the days where we were able to just jump in and buy a game off faith alone for a lot of people, and that fault lies on no one other than PD. In a time where most games ship with problems, and apparent shortcomings, it is wise to actually have some information on the product that you're going to be buying. Hell, you should at least be doing that with a good amount of things in life, actually. It's no problem, and it's actually a smart thing to do, especially if you don't have disposable income.

Either way, just because you think the economy hasn't changed much does nothing for the fact that not everyone is bringing home the same income(or some not at all even.) Lack of communication, vague comments, and just being left in the dark in general are not small things considering how things have rolled out in the past within those same circumstances. I see less anger, and more general concern and worries, and rightfully so.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Why are we all supposedly hung up on software developer communication these Days?
Seems more a trend than a necessity.
Something to get apparently angry about.
Seemingly Gone are the days when you bought a game out of faith.
And trust me, the daily economy hasn't changed much from then till now
Only public expectation.
People seem to apparent frustrated and angry over the smallest things these days

Twitter, Facebook, etc. have all spoiled us into expecting constant communication from the various important things in our lives. When you see other devs doing it and doing it well it makes you want the same kind of environment for "your" game. It's only natural.

 

[Annoyed_GT]

Supposedly? Yeah, the people posting about it just don't care, they're actually just pretending. Gone are the days where we were able to just jump in and buy a game off faith alone for a lot of people, and that fault lies on no one other than PD. In a time where most games ship with problems, and apparent shortcomings, it is wise to actually have some information on the product that you're going to be buying. Hell, you should at least be doing that with a good amount of things in life, actually. It's no problem, and it's actually a smart thing to do, especially if you don't have disposable income.

Either way, just because you think the economy hasn't changed much does nothing for the fact that not everyone is bringing home the same income(or some not at all even.) Lack of communication, vague comments, and just being left in the dark in general are not small things considering how things have rolled out in the past within those same circumstances. I see less anger, and more general concern and worries, and rightfully so.

Twitter, Facebook, etc. have all spoiled us into expecting constant communication from the various important things in our lives. When you see other devs doing it and doing it well it makes you want the same kind of environment for "your" game. It's only natural.

Hi I
Yes Jonny, fair call
My basic point is that through social media things are out of control

To the earlier replier .. Wow
Angry much?
You realise it's a game?
Games are for fun.
Not having any fun playing it?
Guess what?
Don't play it.
The world won't care

 

[Johnnypenso]

Hi I
Yes Jonny, fair call
My basic point is that through social media things are out of control
To the earlier replier .. Wow
Angry much?

I'm not a social media guy myself generally speaking, but I would follow updates on something really specific. At the same time I realize it's all marketing and none of it means anything until you actually get the game in your hands and see how it plays. I think it's likely that they would like to hype things up a bit but the absence of any real steady information leads me to believe that they aren't close enough to release to start teasing yet. Hope I'm wrong though.

 

[ImaRobot]

To the earlier replier .. Wow
Angry much?
You realise it's a game?
Games are for fun.
Not having any fun playing it?
Guess what?
Don't play it.
The world won't care

Hi,
I'm
confused as
to where
you see anger?

Either way, I like fun games, I just don't find going in blind to be a best option especially in this day and age. You being 15 years old, you should be able to understand that blowing money that you don't have isn't the best bet. Although, if you don't know that already, I'm sure you'll find that out in a few years.

 

[Annoyed_GT]

I'm not a social media guy myself generally speaking, but I would follow updates on something really specific. At the same time I realize it's all marketing and none of it means anything until you actually get the game in your hands and see how it plays. I think it's likely that they would like to hype things up a bit but the absence of any real steady information leads me to believe that they aren't close enough to release to start teasing yet. Hope I'm wrong though.

Yeh, seems reasonable in some respects.

Not up to me to reply on how you should feel.
Simply saying, that before this social media rubbish, that the world was a far more forgiving place.
It seems now that every individual out of the 6 billion people has to moan when things don't personally suit them
I don't deny people the right to complain, but I reserve the right to point people towards a little perspective

 

[Annoyed_GT]

Hi,
I'm
confused as
to where
you see anger?

Either way, I like fun games, I just don't find going in blind to be a best option especially in this day and age. You being 15 years old, you should be able to understand that blowing money that you don't have isn't the best bet. Although, if you don't know that already, I'm sure you'll find that out in a few years.

 

[Samus]

Yeh, seems reasonable in some respects.

Not up to me to reply on how you should feel.
Simply saying, that before this social media rubbish, that the world was a far more forgiving place.
It seems now that every individual out of the 6 billion people has to moan when things don't personally suit them
I don't deny people the right to complain, but I reserve the right to point people towards a little perspective

How would you know, you weren't born before the internet became immensely popular. Also can I point out your username is Annoyed_GT.

 

[Annoyed_GT]

Hi ImaRobot
Fair call
My suggestion you were angry was unfounded
And on that level, I apologisr
I still dispute this inference towards any gaming developer to disclose where they are at to the public.
Buy the game on day one
Don't buy it.
It's your call.
The software company that developed it have every right to tell you everything or nothing.
At the end of the day its your call when to buy it if at all.
Why get worked up about it?
It's nothing but a game
The idea behind it is to have some fun afterall

 

[ImaRobot]

Hi ImaRobot
Fair call
My suggestion you were angry was unfounded
And on that level, I apologisr
I still dispute this inference towards any gaming developer to disclose where they are at to the public.
Buy the game only one.
Don't buy it.
It's your call.
The software company that developed it have every right to tell you everything or nothing.
At the end of the day its your call when to buy it if at all.
Why get worked up about it?
It's nothing but a game
The idea behind it is to have some fun afterall

I'm not getting worked up, I'm here discussing things with like minded people, and even with those of a differing opinion. That is the point of this forum. Me knowing about the game, and having some information leads me to whether or not I'd be purchasing said game or not, it's all part of the process. If said company is laying out vague comments, or just lack of information in general, it's not really a good sign. The idea is about having fun, you're correct, but certain design choices can certainly stop that and that is why I like information before hand, as well as trying it out on my own afterwards.

It seems that you think that just because someone writes out their opinion, it means they are worked up? No, quite the opposite.