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Sometimes sarcasm bites you in the arse. Never seen someone claim it hurts though
Now, you did mention I was trying to get the last word in. Was that sarcasm as well?
Why Kaz needs to go...
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Sometimes sarcasm bites you in the arse. Never seen someone claim it hurts though
Now, you did mention I was trying to get the last word in. Was that sarcasm as well?
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Sometimes sarcasm bites you in the arse. Never seen someone claim it hurts though
What are you talking about...where do I say sarcasm hurts...smh
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I was being sarcastic about your assumption being hurtful that I would give you a loaded question...what don't you get? How does that give you the tools to imply that I was hurt by sarcasm...
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Sorry still not understanding how I said I was hurt by my own sarcasm when what I was being sarcastic about was this portion as follows and the same portion I've been talking about
I was being sarcastic in the bold part...so I don't get your terminology at this point in regards to what I've been talking about
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This is invariably how a thread of this nature ends
Though for the record,
Of course not, that's ridiculous, everyone who has played the game has an equal right to speak out against it. Why on earth would there be a hierarchy?
Though for the record,
Of course not, that's ridiculous, everyone who has played the game has an equal right to speak out against it. Why on earth would there be a hierarchy?
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You then went on to claim that my disclaimer was taking a jab at you. Jab implies a degree of hurt.
That disclaimer was a direct result of your sarcasm.
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That was before you informed me why it wasn't a jab, since I had already forgot half the crap we said, since it hasn't been about the thread. So yeah, not hurt by sarcasm just didn't understand your joke...
See Johnny made a good funny...but that's subjective so I can't speak for all
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Don't ask me, just look at their website
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/index.html
I might not be interpreting it correctly, but it appears they were a small group within Sony, then they became classified as a seperate company, but still soley owned by Sony. Whether or not Kaz has hiring or firing authority I suppose I can't be sure (unless you can give me evidence either way), it is likely that when one company controls another, its budget is limitated to a certain size, including labour costs.
EDIT: Which begs the question, if Sony doesn't control any staff at PD, does it control the future of Kaz? its hard to know the organisational relationships, but its possible Kaz reports to Sony (shareholders of PD), as a CEO, which would mean the chairman of the board could possibly sack Kaz, if his work wasn't profitable.
Or, Kaz owns the shares of PD (X% of Sony), and Sony would need to buy him out before replacing him, re/absorbing PD into Sony. In which case, it currently appears Kaz cannot or will not recruit more staff.
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Kaz can have and love his "child" all he wants, in the end, he still needs us to continue "raising" it and if the rumors are true, it looks like at least half of GT5 fanbase really don't care for his child anymore.
Plus, his child is probably Sony's property.
Plus, his child is probably Sony's property.
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You have to remember that gtplanet/the general GT fanbase don't represent the general gaming populace, but rather a small percentage of hardcore enthusiasts.
GT appeals to the masses rather than a niche market, and the masses don't seem to be too disappointed with the latest installments, for better or worse.
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Here's an idea: instead of accusing someone of trying to get the last word in by repeatedly doing just that yourself, just take this "discussion" with @jimipitbull to PM, @LMSCorvetteGT2 . Or, perhaps an even better approach: just drop it.
Back to our regularly-scheduled broadcast, now...
Back to our regularly-scheduled broadcast, now...
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So who is the father...
Sony, Kaz was hired as a nanny.
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Maybe Kaz is the surrogate mother...heuheuhue
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Nice setup:So who is the father...
How do you know the masses aren't disappointed? If VGChartz sales are even remotely accuracte, I'd say a large chunk of the fanbase too a pass on GT6. We may never find out the exact figures, especially if they are not good for real, but at this point it doesn't look too good.
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This thread has taken a most disturbing turn.
To be honest I'm going with reviews over any actual collated statistics, because with mainstream popular games like GT, good reviews tend to equate to good sales, and the drop in sales that GT6 has suffered from they can put down to it being released on a console at the end of it's life rather than any actual issue with their game.
So replace the masses with the critics in my previous post basically.
In summary:
Critics still loving the game = no problem for PD/Sony
Reduced sales = expected, as the game was being released on an old platform
Gtplanet = who?
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Haha. This thread is funny.
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I'm laughing because VGChartz was brought up.. Again.Haha. This thread is funny.
Anyways, I voted no before the original Feb deadline was broken, but now have changed my mind (so take off one from no and shove that puppy up).
Like I've said before, I just want a clear outline as to where PD sees themselves now and where they wanna go..
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I'd like to, but I'm just not buying the "end of console life" argument, it's just too pat. At least 93% of people who bought a PS3, still only own a PS3. I'd venture to guess that most PS4 buyers also own PS3 although I'm sure once you make the switch it's hard to go back. I can easily buy sales being down, just not by as much as they appear to be. I suspect the deep discounting that has only just begin will make a difference in unit sales in a very positive way but of course not as much in a $$$ way, although I think that was the plan all along. Release the game, discount the crap out of it, sell a bunch of really cheap units to casual players, work on GT7 in the meantime.
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Fair enough on not being able to buy the end of console life argument, but I know that none of my PS3-owning friends are still buying PS3 games, and Gran Turismo 6 has been the only game I've bought post-PS4 release. I haven't looked particularly hard at any sales statistics I must admit.
If Eurogamer are giving a game as unpolished/incomplete as GT6 a 9/10 though, I don't think PD/Sony will feel they have too much to worry about.
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Yeah but in that scenario that means all this hyped updates down the road are probably test hubs of what will fully be used in GT7 or PD will come out and say we decided to put the promised material on 7. That is part of the reason why I think that early GT7 date that is possible has been thrown around. But many don't want to believe they were potentially lied to
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I'm not sure you can say the critics loved the game. Opinions were and are very mixed. It ranges from "pretty much perfect" through to "abject disappointment", and seems to average out at "pretty all right".
Compared to previous games, and compared to the sorts of reviews that things like GTA V and TLoU get I don't think Sony would necessarily be disappointed, but neither will they be totally satisfied. GT6 is not an unqualified success, it has significant room for improvement.
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I concede that 'loved' might be an overstatement, but I'm basing that judgement on Wikipedia's summary of critical ratings, which list it's aggregate score as 82/100, with only Electronic Gaming Monthly and GameSpot awarding it less than 8/10 or equivalent, of the critics listed.
Looking at Gran Turismo 5's aggregate score of 84/100 and it's (arguably) subsequent sales, I'd say GT6 has done slightly better than "pretty all right", it's still considered a top level game, and I genuinely do feel that were it not released on a console at the end of it's lifespan then it's sales wouldn't be far off those of GT5.
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Metacritic gives a wider range of reviews. The average is still about the same, low 80s, but you can see the spread better.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the reviews are bad. But there's a big difference between a game that gets 81 (or 84, if you want to be generous and take the Wiki number) and a game that gets 95s, like Gran Turismos 1 through 3.
Mid 80s are generally a good solid game, good fundamentals, worth playing. I have plenty of games like that in my collection, and most of them I enjoy and will never sell. But it's not something genre defining or otherwise outstanding, which is what GT has been in the past. In terms of game scores in general, an 84 is very respectable, and most developers would be very, very pleased to make a game that good. But for PD, it's a step backwards, and it's a continuation of a trend that has been going on for some time. Since GT4, really.
I hate to say that because GT4 is usually held up as the pinnacle of GT-ism, and I mostly agree. But purely numbers-wise, the slide started with GT4.
I don't really buy into the whole sales affected by it being an old console thing for one reason, GTA V. I think across PS3 and 360 they sold something like 30 million copies? Staggering numbers, and it shows that old hardware or not, if you make a really desirable game then people will buy it anyway.
While PS4 and Xbox One likely have some impact (nothing happens in a vacuum), I don't see them having nearly enough penetration yet to be significantly affecting GT6 sales. Not to the point of losing millions of sales, anyway. To me, GT6 rises and falls on it's own merits. There's plenty of PS3 owners out there still.
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