Will Bathurst be the next Spa?

[machschnel]

Although heavily rumored to be included in GT6, we still have no concrete information regarding the possible presence of Bathurst in said game.

Is it possible that Polyphony has decided to follow the same "plan" used to implement Spa? I remember Spa being rumored to be included in GT5 months before the game released. The game released, no Spa, but eventually we got it as DLC.

I see Bathurst as one of a few remaining tracks yet to be "done to death" in racing games, so it's inclusion in any form will be a great addition, but of course, I'd prefer to play it sometime in December.

 

[HarVee]

The reason why Spa wasn't in base GT5 was because the track wasn't finished yet at the time of release.

 

[SteveEnforcer]

I think we should have both Spa and Bathurst the history that comes with both tracks is just amazing I with Polyphony Digital will do something to bring up the history of some of these tracks also including the Daytona 24 and Leman as well keep them both I say

 

[Johnnypenso]

I would not be surprised if Bathurst was in the can ready to go, but released as DLC early on. It is arguably the most iconic current track not already in the game and at over 6km in length, will require more work than an average track to put together. It's quite a prize if they include it in the base package but I highly doubt you'll see it there.

 

[grashopper]

How long ago was it that the team was scanning it?
I'm thinking DLC.

 

[Conquerer]

How long ago was it that the team was scanning it?
I'm thinking DLC.

GTPlanet news article that mentions/shows them scanning the track is from March 2012. Who knows when PD actually started modelling the track, but I think it's fair to say they most likely started it over a year ago -- meaning by their usual timeframe it should be done by now.

 

[another_jakhole]

How long ago was it that the team was scanning it?
I'm thinking DLC.

It took PD TWO YEARS to model Rome for GT5. Is Bathurst being a lengthy track the only reason why it won't be in the release version of GT6? Rome vs Bathurst.........

Although heavily rumored to be included in GT6, we still have no concrete information regarding the possible presence of Bathurst in said game.

Is it possible that Polyphony has decided to follow the same "plan" used to implement Spa? I remember Spa being rumored to be included in GT5 months before the game released. The game released, no Spa, but eventually we got it as DLC.

I see Bathurst as one of a few remaining tracks yet to be "done to death" in racing games, so it's inclusion in any form will be a great addition, but of course, I'd prefer to play it sometime in December.

sooooo then
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New member here first post. I have been viewing these forums for a while now but only recently signed up. I came across this post. And I am currently in Bathurst watching the 12 hour and I was speaking to a Bathurst resident that has contacts whitin the council and various Motorsport personal. ( happens to be brother in law) he told me that a polyphony crew of some sort was in Bathurst this past Wednesday taking various photos and were driving around in a vehicle much like a google earth car taking measurents. So it could be sooner then later for a Bathurst track DLC

and the fact that a US representative (Taku Imasaki) of PD said that there was a leak of information about a track and he described what happened. There's only been one leak in the way that he described it so you can take it or leave it.

March 2012
https://www.gtplanet.net/bathurst-scanned-for-gt6/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=VO3Qin5oKT8&v=syJqwM_rEBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yJOHK9aArAI#t=211
Game, Set, Match.

 

[grashopper]

Thanks to both of you. Doesn't feel like it has been that long...wow. So as long as it wasn't pushed back to squeeze the Ronda track creator or something else into launch it should probably be finished by now.
Really been looking forward to running that track so I hope we get it reasonably fast if not at launch.
Would really make for a great DLC with some Australian race cars packaged together so I can see it being bumped in favor of fitting other things in to the development schedule if they had to.

 

[another_jakhole]

Thanks to both of you. Doesn't feel like it has been that long...wow. So as long as it wasn't pushed back to squeeze the Ronda track creator or something else into launch it should probably be finished by now.
Really been looking forward to running that track so I hope we get it reasonably fast if not at launch.
Would really make for a great DLC with some Australian race cars packaged together so I can see it being bumped in favor of fitting other things in to the development schedule if they had to.

Very true. I'm expecting it to have time change with weather, so you could be right about it being pushed back. If it ends up not having at least weather or time change and it's in the release version of GT6, I'll be highly surprised. That is unless they later on update it to have weather and/or time change. To paraphrase, Kaz did say that they made GT6 "update-friendly".

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Clermont-Ferrand! Sebring! Road America!

Then, and only then, Barthurst

 

[machschnel]

Game, Set, Match.

Sorry, I didn't realise it was a competition.

Just a query, but wouldn't concrete (as in solid, as in definite) mean it would appear on this http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gt6/tracks/ page?

I don't seem to see it.......yet.


https://www.gtplanet.net/red-bull-says-pikes-peak-is-in-gran-turismo-5/

How did you enjoy Pikes Peak in GT5?

 

[ShiftingGears]

Clermont-Ferrand! Sebring! Road America!

Then, and only then, Barthurst

I cannot fathom how anyone would claim Sebring as a better circuit as Bathurst. That, and Bathurst hosts the most renowned touring car race in the world, which is more than you could say about Road America or Charade Circuit, as far as automotive significance goes.

 

[05XR8]

Sorry, I didn't realise it was a competition.

Just a query, but wouldn't concrete (as in solid, as in definite) mean it would appear on this http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gt6/tracks/ page?

It also reads "First in the world events". I don't know if FM5 will do endurance races because they like to keep races short. But, Bathurst 1000 would be a "first" in Gran Turismo.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Clermont-Ferrand! Sebring! Road America!

Then, and only then, Barthurst

Mugello! Zandvoort! Guia!

Then, and only then, Charade

 

[Jawehawk]

I would not be surprised if Bathurst was in the can ready to go, but released as DLC early on. It is arguably the most iconic current track not already in the game and at over 6km in length, will require more work than an average track to put together. It's quite a prize if they include it in the base package but I highly doubt you'll see it there.

Stop trying to justify them leaving the track out of the game. It's BS.

 

[ShiftingGears]

It also reads "First in the world events". I don't know if FM5 will do endurance races because they like to keep races short. But, Bathurst 1000 would be a "first" in Gran Turismo.

The phrase "first in the world events" is utterly absurd to be honest. One might think they could simply write "new events added to the GT series", because literally almost every racing game ever has "first in the world events". Hardly a distinction worth gloating about.

 

[novcze]

I see Bathurst as one of a few remaining tracks yet to be "done to death" in racing games, so it's inclusion in any form will be a great addition, but of course, I'd prefer to play it sometime in December.

Nah, I already did some hefty online racing on Bathurst, Spa, Zandvoort, Brands Hatch, Adalaide and many more in TOCA 3 on PS2 in 2006, we are some 7 years later and GT is still behind in track selection, now even new Forza 5 will have Bathurst while we play waiting game.

And no I don't want to buy Forza 5 and XBone, I'm GT fan.

 

[Müle]

I cannot fathom how anyone would claim Sebring as a better circuit as Bathurst.

Not everyone is Australian.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

I cannot fathom how anyone would claim Sebring as a better circuit as Bathurst. That, and Bathurst hosts the most renowned touring car race in the world, which is more than you could say about Road America or Charade Circuit, as far as automotive significance goes.

Sebring makes part of the Grand Slam of endurance races (with Le Mans and Daytona).

And i cannot fathom how anyone would prefer a regional event (Holdens, really?) before a world class race full of history and tradition. You can argue saying that Bathurst is a great track, because it is. But, no, sorry, no way in hell that the Bathurst 1000 is greater than 12 hours of Sebring.

which is more than you could say about Road America or Charade Circuit, as far as automotive significance goes.

How about the automotive significance of Deep Forrest? London Circuit? Madrid? Top Gear TT? Tsukuba? Motegi?

Charade was a 'small Nurburgring', a race track bypassing a volcano. Road America is nice to drive, have straights, fast curves, ups and downs like Spa. It's a great race track, a real one. Not a silly fantasy like, say, Deep Forrest or Cape Ring.

Mugello! Zandvoort! Guia!

Then, and only then, Charade

Zandvoort is very cool. I would like to have a go on the Anderstorp as well.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Not everyone is Australian.

I do not appreciate your implication about my position. You'll be amazed to know I am not judging circuits based on what country they are in.

Sebring makes part of the Grand Slam of endurance races (with Le Mans and Daytona).

And i cannot fathom how anyone would prefer a regional event (Holdens, really?) before a world class race full of history and tradition. You can argue saying that Bathurst is a great track, because it is. But, no, sorry, no way in hell that the Bathurst 1000 is greater than 12 hours of Sebring.

Likewise, the Bathurst 1000 is a world class race full of history and tradition. The fact that you are criticising the event based on what touring cars are run would be ignoring the regulations of any modern touring car class in the world. Notice how I did not say that the Bathurst 1000 was better than Sebring 12h either.

How about the automotive significance of Deep Forrest? London Circuit? Madrid? Top Gear TT? Tsukuba? Motegi?

You mentioned Sebring in preference to Bathurst. Sebring is as flat as a tack and it is quite featureless. If it weren't for its automotive significance I highly doubt it would be mentioned as a great circuit anywhere.

That is why I brought up automotive significance. Because you are arguing for Sebring based on automotive significance, not the quality of the circuit itself.

Charade was a 'small Nurburgring', a race track bypassing a volcano. Road America is nice to drive, have straights, fast curves, ups and downs like Spa. It's a great race track, a real one. Not a silly fantasy like, say, Deep Forrest or Cape Ring.

I know the merits of both Charade and Road America, in fact I would want both circuits in the game. However I think PD should first include the circuits that are both renowned as great drivers circuits as well as having great presence in motor racing. Your choices are one or the other.

 

[Müle]

You'll be amazed to know I am not judging circuits based on what country they are in.

Your judgement doesn't make something fact, like you're trying to imply.

 

[JAHHAJ]

I'm cannnot fathom how you lot can argue over opinions.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Your judgement doesn't make something fact, like you're trying to imply.

I don't believe I made that implication, so why don't you engage in some reasoned debate rather than playing amateur psychologist on the internet?

Stop trying to justify them leaving the track out of the game. It's BS.

Quite. I daresay if they could make a track creator covering an area of 10000km^2 (if this turns out to be correct) for release, they could model a 6km circuit.

 

[05XR8]

Sebring makes part of the Grand Slam of endurance races (with Le Mans and Daytona).

And i cannot fathom how anyone would prefer a regional event (Holdens, really?) before a world class race full of history and tradition. You can argue saying that Bathurst is a great track, because it is. But, no, sorry, no way in hell that the Bathurst 1000 is greater than 12 hours of Sebring.

I'm North American living here in Oz. I've never been to Sebring(when i lived in Florida) or Bathurst(Yet!). I liken Sebring 12H=24h LeMans and Bathurst 1000=24H Nurburgring. The first lot are on a level bumpy circuit, the second lot on undulating hillsides

They're ALL world class events professional race drivers want to race some point in their lives. They ALL have close finishes. It's about the atmosphere rather than the greatest race.

 

[Müle]

I don't believe I made that implication, so why don't you engage in some reasoned debate rather than playing amateur psychologist on the internet?

I cannot fathom how anyone would claim Sebring as a better circuit as Bathurst.

You're basically saying "lol Bathurst is the best and that's fact anyone who thinks little ol' Sebring is better is silly."

I can absolutely fathom how people could think Bathurst is a better track; it's a very good one. Likewise, I can absolutely fathom how people could think Sebring is better. It's a lot more than just a "flat, featureless old track that has a lot of history for some strange reason." Sunset bend is one of the most difficult corners in the world. They're called opinions. Not everyone's is the same as yours.

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

Day and night transition with weather!!! transition with weather!!!

 

[Johnnypenso]

Stop trying to justify them leaving the track out of the game. It's BS.

Feel free to quote where I said I agree with or support leaving a completed track out of the game at release. Understanding the business case for not releasing Bathurst at launch when it's complete, is not the same as saying I agree with it. As a consumer I always want more for less, but I understand the reasoning PD may have for not releasing Bathurst in December.

 

[ShiftingGears]

You're basically saying "lol Bathurst is the best and that's fact anyone who thinks little ol' Sebring is better is silly."

That is a conclusion you made, and bringing my nationality into it didn't support your argument. Hell, Charade and Road America are at least equal good as Bathurst, as far as the circuits themselves go in my opinion. I just think PD has to prioritise circuits by striking a balance between circuit quality and prestige of events held.

I can absolutely fathom how people could think Bathurst is a better track; it's a very good one. Likewise, I can absolutely fathom how people could think Sebring is better. It's a lot more than just a "flat, featureless old track that has a lot of history for some strange reason." Sunset bend is one of the most difficult corners in the world. They're called opinions. Not everyone's is the same as yours.

I absolutely know the history of Sebring, but I just don't think it is at all that special purely judging the circuit itself. Having different opinions is fine, nowhere did I suggest otherwise.

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

You guys can argue over Bathurst and Sebring all day, because you guys forgot to mention Petit LeMans at Road Atlanta. Shall the 3 way argument commence. Lol

 

[GTracer38]

From what I've read the debate is not which track has the gtreatest event but which track layout has better characteristics like elavation, corners, variation, long straights, rough edges etc...

The more tracks the merrier!