Will Bathurst be the next Spa?

[ShiftingGears]

Oran Park is small and slow, which is why it was closed down. Eastern Creek is better since the re-design of turns 5 and 6/7 but it still doesn't come close to the character of Bathurst.

Winton is one of my least favourite circuits on the V8 Supercar calendar. It's too slow, too flat and there aren't enough passing opportunities. Apart from which, the layout is boring.

Agreed, I think Winton is awful. Eastern Creek and Oran Park might have a good corner or two (Turn One of Eastern Creek is excellent) but I don't think they are special enough to model.

I don't know about better but something like Lobethal would be right on par with Bathurst. It was considered the Spa-Francorchamps from down under. I would kill to see that in GT/any racing game, but that's for a wish list thread...

Someone's put a lap up on youtube. Pretty neat stuff.



I'd rather a track like this or the old Spa-Francorchamps for out-and-out speed rather than Special Stage Route 7, that is for sure.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Agreed, I think Winton is awful. Eastern Creek and Oran Park might have a good corner or two (Turn One of Eastern Creek is excellent) but I don't think they are special enough to model.

Actually, after Bathurst, Eastern Creek aka Sydney Motorsports Park is the Australian permanent circuit I'd want most in a racing game. It's modern, wide enough and big enough for F1-type and LMP type cars as well as slower cars and it's more suited to multi-class racing than any track that I know of in Australia (with the possible exception of Phillip Island). For variety, it has three configurations that use the large main pit lane. It also looks professional, something you could put international race cars on and they wouldn't look out of place. It also seems a decent track, with nice looking mid-speed corners and a long front straight.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Actually, after Bathurst, Eastern Creek aka Sydney Motorsports Park is the Australian permanent circuit I'd want most in a racing game. It's modern, wide enough and big enough for F1-type and LMP type cars as well as slower cars and it's more suited to multi-class racing than any track that I know of in Australia (with the possible exception of Phillip Island). For variety, it has three configurations that use the large main pit lane. It also looks professional, something you could put international race cars on and they wouldn't look out of place. It also seems a decent track, with nice looking mid-speed corners and a long front straight.

Eastern Creek is certainly a decent track. I'm just of the opinion that if PD want to be investing a significant amount of time modelling circuits they should be picking the really outstanding (in my opinion) venues.

To be honest Australia doesn't have a wealth of world-class permanent racetracks. Three of the four most internationally renowned Australian circuits (Phillip Island, Adelaide Street Circuit, Albert Park, Mount Panorama) are public roads for most of the year.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Like it or not, PD will always lean towards iconic circuits internationally known by the general public, above those that might make the best virtual racing circuits. Silverstone, Bathurst and Spa will outsell Lime Rock, Toronto Street and Albert Park.

I'm of the opinion that with it's barriers and general narrownness, Bathurst won't make the best circuit for racing in GT6 and beyond. Looks similar to the Nurb in that respect although I'm sure it's a bit wider.

 

[Snake1405]

With a F1..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4XVF3jJL5Q

I would like to see more tracks with vegetation, like in Nurburgring. Lime Rock Park is nice, but small though.

 

[Imari]

To be honest Australia doesn't have a wealth of world-class permanent racetracks. Three of the four most internationally renowned Australian circuits (Phillip Island, Adelaide Street Circuit, Albert Park, Mount Panorama) are public roads for most of the year.

Phillip Island is not a public road. It's a private race track. The other three you are correct.

 

[TDZdave]

Bathurst and Adelaide are the two most notable race tracks in Australia on the global scale, with the exemptions of Phillip Island and Albert Park,

But Albert Park is in every F1 game since 1997, and its so damn boring! It would be foolish to not include Bathurst or Adelaide,

But then Codemasters might have done the EA Sports/ Porsche deal and we may never get Bathurst on any game outside of a Codemaster's game,

 

[TetreRouge]

Like what, Oran Park?

You couldn't be more wrong. Bathurst is the best circuit in Australia and one of the best in the world for the reasons mentioned by others previously (and the fact that it has the fastest straight in the country).

In fact apart from Phillip Island, we don't really have any other tracks that come anywhere near it

Again with this fixation on long straights, long straight don't make a track, and only 'gold standard' part of the track is the section around the dipper, other than that it's pretty mundane and standardised.

 

[TDZdave]

Again with this fixation on long straights, long straight don't make a track, and only 'gold standard' part of the track is the section around the dipper, other than that it's pretty mundane and standardised.

no its not the straight, Its the corners at the end of the straights that make the circuit, Thank piddly kink in the chase has set up some of the best and most historic moments in Australian motorsport, Much like Tetre Rouge in Le Mans,

 

[ShiftingGears]

Three of the four most internationally renowned Australian circuits (Phillip Island, Adelaide Street Circuit, Albert Park, Mount Panorama) are public roads for most of the year.

Phillip Island is not a public road. It's a private race track. The other three you are correct.

I very clearly said three circuits out of the four I listed were public roads.

Like it or not, PD will always lean towards iconic circuits internationally known by the general public, above those that might make the best virtual racing circuits. Silverstone, Bathurst and Spa will outsell Lime Rock, Toronto Street and Albert Park.

I think they are using more of that approach recently, but I don't think that has been entirely the case though. Willow Springs, Tsukuba, Motegi and Infineon are some examples that spring to mind.

Even though the tracks are fictitious, street circuits that they have to model aren't going to sell that much before the user actually races on them. Especially if it isn't an overwhelmingly popular tourist destination (I am thinking Madrid and Seoul in particular).

I'm of the opinion that with it's barriers and general narrownness, Bathurst won't make the best circuit for racing in GT6 and beyond. Looks similar to the Nurb in that respect although I'm sure it's a bit wider.

Unlike the Nurburgring, drivers don't have to wait over 5 minutes for a legitimate overtaking area. Whilst passing is difficult between The Cutting and Forrest's Elbow I think Conrod and Mountain Straights will be sufficient to stop players getting severely impatient (which was the main problem with racing at the Ring online, in my opinion).

 

[TDZdave]

Who said you can't overtake at Bathurst?

 

[tpark103]

Yeah wouldn't it be nice to get an AU pack that would include Bathhurst, V8 Super Cars, Holden, and some Falcon SVT.

 

[Imari]

I very clearly said three circuits out of the four I listed were public roads.

Apologies, apparently I can't reading comprehension tonight.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Who said you can't overtake at Bathurst?

In real life drivers are much more precise than on GT. They raced F1 on the real Nurb but in GT, two guys in saloons going half that speed can't keep off of each other..

 

[SagarisGTB]

I think they are using more of that approach recently, but I don't think that has been entirely the case though. Willow Springs, Tsukuba, Motegi and Infineon are some examples that spring to mind.

Even though the tracks are fictitious, street circuits that they have to model aren't going to sell that much before the user actually races on them. Especially if it isn't an overwhelmingly popular tourist destination (I am thinking Madrid and Seoul in particular).

There are exceptions but most of the real world circuits in GT WERE already world famous. Tsukuba is a Japanese (automotive) cultural icon and famous in the west because of Best Motoring, Sonoma is one of the most recognizable circuits in the US because of NASCAR, Indycar and ALMS.

Motegi and Willow Springs are less famous, sure, but these are the exceptions. Easy licensing (Motegi is owned by Honda, Willow Springs is starting to appear in just about every game now) and being somewhat recognizable are probably why they are both in GT.

Also, Madrid is a famous capital and Seoul is a famous capital/megacity. It's easy to see why PD chose these cities to model street circuits in.

 

[CarreraGT]

Again with this fixation on long straights, long straight don't make a track, and only 'gold standard' part of the track is the section around the dipper, other than that it's pretty mundane and standardised.

You really don't know the circuit at all do you... Conrod straight is only one of the defining features of Mount Panorama. And besides, it's not just the length, it is famous for its elevation change along the length of the straight and the fact that it leads into the fastest corner in world touring car racing, followed by a perfect overtaking opportunity coming into the Chase.

There is no other track in the world like it, mundane and standardised it is not. Perhaps you should do a bit of reading and watch a few of the videos people have posted in this thread before you say anything else stupid

 

[zippy_the_cat]

You really don't know the circuit at all do you... Conrod straight is only one of the defining features of Mount Panorama. And besides, it's not just the length, it is famous for its elevation change along the length of the straight and the fact that it leads into the fastest corner in world touring car racing, followed by a perfect overtaking opportunity coming into the Chase.

There is no other track in the world like it, mundane and standardised it is not. Perhaps you should do a bit of reading and watch a few of the videos people have posted in this thread before you say anything else stupid

And lest anyone think the kink is just there for decoration, try taking it flat. That [deleted] might work for Eau Rouge, but it'd pretty quickly end in tears at Bathurst.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Tsukuba is famous in the west because of Gran Turismo (4), not Best Motoring. Best Motoring is a Japanese automotive show spoken in Japanese. It does not air on any US TV network or TV provider obscure channel.

 

[CarreraGT]

And lest anyone think the kink is just there for decoration, try taking it flat. That [deleted] might work for Eau Rouge, but it'd pretty quickly end in tears at Bathurst.

Not exactly the cause of the accident but you get the idea

 

[SagarisGTB]

Tsukuba is famous in the west because of Gran Turismo (4), not Best Motoring. Best Motoring is a Japanese automotive show spoken in Japanese. It does not air on any US TV network or TV provider obscure channel.

Best Motoring was quite popular with auto enthusiasts in the days of GT3, and as Scuba (Tsukuba) was the primary battle ground, it was well known. When GT4 was coming out, many were excited by the inclusion of Tsukuba to be able to recreate Best Motoring battles.

Even if it wasn't that popular in the west yet, it's status/fame in Japan ensured that it was a popular entry into the series.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

This is turning into a wishlist / track comparison / track discussion thread.

4 pages to answer a question only this person could answer...

 

[TetreRouge]

You really don't know the circuit at all do you... Conrod straight is only one of the defining features of Mount Panorama. And besides, it's not just the length, it is famous for its elevation change along the length of the straight and the fact that it leads into the fastest corner in world touring car racing, followed by a perfect overtaking opportunity coming into the Chase.

There is no other track in the world like it, mundane and standardised it is not. Perhaps you should do a bit of reading and watch a few of the videos people have posted in this thread before you say anything else stupid

You're just being an overly defensive bogan, I watch Bathurst annually, I watch the 12 hour race too, save for a few places it's a mundane venue that looks pretty bland compared to other places despite the beautiful scenery, and before you go on about 'great moments', we know, Dick Johnson hit a tree, the track got blocked once, 1993 left you with a burning hatred for Japanese cars, big whoop. Silverstone is a equally mundane track with one or two good corners and 'great moments' but you don't see us shoving it down everyones throats while blindly insisting that it's the best track on earth do you?

 

[XxHighWayStarXx]

You're just being an overly defensive bogan, I watch Bathurst annually, I watch the 12 hour race too, save for a few places it's a mundane venue that looks pretty bland compared to other places despite the beautiful scenery, and before you go on about 'great moments', we know, Dick Johnson hit a tree, the track got blocked once, 1993 left you with a burning hatred for Japanese cars, big whoop. Silverstone is a equally mundane track with one or two good corners and 'great moments' but you don't see us shoving it down everyones throats while blindly insisting that it's the best track on earth do you?

First and foremost, WHO cares what you think of Bathurst and whether you like it or not??? Is your opinion the authority on the matter?? So you've watched some races on tv there - big whoop, are we meant to kow-tow or something? Fat chance of that mate.
You are entitled to your opinion but coming here to simply put the track down is, amongst other things, extremely childish and very much what a bogan would do. Ironic isn't it? Not to mention being totally irrelevant to what this thread is about.....
Getting back on track, I'm hoping Bathurst is included in GT6, and have a feeling it will be announced within the next month rather than being added as DLC. But I don't mind being wrong about that. Either way, the GT series needs a track of its calibre, especially since it had a decent facsimile of it in GT1 with Blue Mountains Raceway - the prospect of including the original article will be the shot in the arm it needs.

The time is nigh.

 

[Johnnypenso]

First and foremost, WHO cares what you think of Bathurst and whether you like it or not??? Is your opinion the authority on the matter?? So you've watched some races on tv there - big whoop, are we meant to kow-tow or something? Fat chance of that mate.
You are entitled to your opinion but coming here to simply put the track down is, amongst other things, extremely childish and very much what a bogan would do. Ironic isn't it? Not to mention being totally irrelevant to what this thread is about.....
Getting back on track, I'm hoping Bathurst is included in GT6, and have a feeling it will be announced within the next month rather than being added as DLC. But I don't mind being wrong about that. Either way, the GT series needs a track of its calibre, especially since it had a decent facsimile of it in GT1 with Blue Mountains Raceway - the prospect of including the original article will be the shot in the arm it needs.

The time is nigh.

The purpose of the GTP forums is to share opinions. All are welcome so long as everyone follows the AUP which you might want to take a look at.

 

[another_jakhole]

The purpose of the GTP forums is to share opinions. All are welcome so long as everyone follows the AUP which you might want to take a look at.

TetreRouge was the first one to say "bogan," to be fair. And he's not even from Australia...

I think they both deserve a a time-out.

This is turning into a wishlist / track comparison / track discussion thread.

4 pages to answer a question only this person could answer...

ahhhhh

 

[CarreraGT]

You're just being an overly defensive bogan, I watch Bathurst annually, I watch the 12 hour race too, save for a few places it's a mundane venue that looks pretty bland compared to other places despite the beautiful scenery, and before you go on about 'great moments', we know, Dick Johnson hit a tree, the track got blocked once, 1993 left you with a burning hatred for Japanese cars, big whoop. Silverstone is a equally mundane track with one or two good corners and 'great moments' but you don't see us shoving it down everyones throats while blindly insisting that it's the best track on earth do you?

Might be best heading to another thread mate, no need to get aggressive over a forum post.

And besides, Silverstone is a mundane track? Considering most current Formula 1 drivers rate it as one of their favourite tracks I'd be interested to hear what your favourites are...

 

[wowbaggerBR]

And besides, Silverstone is a mundane track? Considering most current Formula 1 drivers rate it as one of their favourite tracks I'd be interested to hear what your favourites are...

Well, in a calendar flooded with abu-dhabis and 🤬 like that, they gotta love Silverstone

 

[TetreRouge]

Well, in a calendar flooded with abu-dhabis and 🤬 like that, they gotta love Silverstone

Pretty much, the Bernie-Monopoly dictates that only tracks molested by Herman Tilke are ever used, Silverstone is more or less a dump in the middle of Northamptonshire, there's a persistent corn-fly problem which causes all sorts of problems for the cars and it's only because Bernie threatens them do they keep quiet about it. Silverstone, just like Bathurst and even Spa for that matter is a mundane track with one or two redeeming features, in regards to the latter two people only get a hard-one on for elevation changes because 80% of tracks are now flat and dull.

 

[Imari]

Pretty much, the Bernie-Monopoly dictates that only tracks molested by Herman Tilke are ever used, Silverstone is more or less a dump in the middle of Northamptonshire, there's a persistent corn-fly problem which causes all sorts of problems for the cars and it's only because Bernie threatens them do they keep quiet about it. Silverstone, just like Bathurst and even Spa for that matter is a mundane track with one or two redeeming features, in regards to the latter two people only get a hard-one on for elevation changes because 80% of tracks are now flat and dull.

I'm not with you on that one, Spa is a great track, admittedly mostly because of the elevation change. Coming down from the top of the hill is where it's at for me, Eau Rouge may be a ballsy corner in RL but in a game it's dead easy once you figure out where to put the car. The proviso is that Spa is only great in really very fast cars. It's great at F1 level, it's pretty good at GT500/GT300 levels, and at street car levels it's mostly just long waits between the bursts of action.

Silverstone shares some of those problems, the really iconic corners are fast sweepers that are nowhere near the same in a slower car. Personally, I found the old layout better in a wider range of cars, but even then it's not great.

I'm with you on a lot of the F1 tracks being not great though. They're chosen based on who has the money to pay Bernie, not on where the best race track is.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Pretty much, the Bernie-Monopoly dictates that only tracks molested by Herman Tilke are ever used, Silverstone is more or less a dump in the middle of Northamptonshire, there's a persistent corn-fly problem which causes all sorts of problems for the cars and it's only because Bernie threatens them do they keep quiet about it. Silverstone, just like Bathurst and even Spa for that matter is a mundane track with one or two redeeming features, in regards to the latter two people only get a hard-one on for elevation changes because 80% of tracks are now flat and dull.

Sorry, mate. But, no, Spa is sacred. I simply can't argue because there is nothing to argue.