The "one or the other" mentality is understandable when you're a kid and your parents will only buy you one console. You look for every excuse to convince yourself you have the "superior" platform.
Same with me, I bought an x360 slim JUST for FM4. And look what we have, we still have Kaz driving his game further into the dirt. Hopefully Sony or PD wakes up and gets him to step down and hire a young stud.
This, it's such a weird conversation topic. See a lot of this mentality these days, people want to close markets and stifle competition for some reason, they think it's beneficial to their chosen product maybe? I don't know, but it's never beneficial to players / consumers to have less options.
Some people just get overly tribal, it's something most people grow out of but for others it remains. Like sports fans, some just follow a team and enjoy the sport, others get ultra tribal and think anyone supporting their rival team is human scum, as is everyone associated with that team. That's just a game, these are just games. But to some people, it's like part of their identity.
If everything is built from scratch in FM. What makes people think it will have the same level of content as previous games? If content is merely updated, it will carry over issues from previous games, ie many iffy car models.
Well, if you can refute it, do it.
Those are all things you can define and describe though. If you prefer the GT aesthetic, then fair enough. But it's frustating when you ask people what they like about something and they just give you something vague you can't discuss. Exactly like the soul and passion of Italian cars.
Again, all things you can define and describe.
No, but I can sure define the differences.
Then how about that indefinable trait being the "sum is greater than its parts".
Ah, so it went from declared like a statement to now an opinion. Good backtrack.
He just described you to a T with the way you throw GT on a pedestal & then essentially claim Forza does nothing to attract real car people.
I'm that casual player who does "care about the bigger picture of automotive/racing history and culture" & was attracted Forza away from GT. Your "proof and truth" is just generic assumption of the Forza's online community, even though almost every racing game runs into awful people. I guess something like F1 202x doesn't really care about Formula 1 given how bad its player base online can be, too.
Ha ha, it's not a backtrack in any way. Everything on any forum is an opinion, some of that can be backed with fact, but since I wasn't specifically addressing something he said, I thought it was pretty obvious that it was my opinion. I even separated it into it's own paragraph as well. One doesn't need to say things like "I think" or "my position is" and slap you in the face with the fact that a statement is their opinion for it to be one.
These are all defineable traits though. When someone says an italian car has "soul" it's for a specific reason or combination of reasons. Sound of the engine, feel of the steering, interior details, shoddy electronics etc. I own an Alfa Romeo, and yes, it has soul, but that's defineable. If you claim something just has that x factor but you can't explain why, that's not tangiable and journalistically it's lazy writing. But to say, it has that x factor because of y and z and everything combines into this experience woiuld be much better.
Funny then that much of GT's 'providing of history and depth' of cars is literally just reposting Wikipedia articles, and in some cases, with wrong information that one could very easily disprove by looking at said Wikipedia articles.
Whatever it is, it will be better than the 2017 content from GT Sport that GT7 uses.
The history he talks about is cherry picked history too, nobody cares about the history of these cars, they should have just had it in text to let the viewer read it and not spoonfeed to the mass that simply doesnt care. Like GT2 days, give me wall of text, if I want to read it I will.Funny then that much of GT's 'providing of history and depth' of cars is literally just reposting Wikipedia articles, and in some cases, with wrong information that one could very easily disprove by looking at said Wikipedia articles.
And because I knew I had it and it was the most obvious example:
You just reminded of another huge useless thing GT7 does, the political news or what ever BS is on the screensaver. Like why tf do I need to see this? Absolutely ridiculous.
Yea that too, a lot of these GT fans, me included, will never obtain any of these 1 mil cars. I used to talk to Doug aka M5Power on AIM, hes like the only one that I can imagine owning a million dollar car. Him and Jordan (if Jordan even owns this site still).
I'm okay with it, in fact I like it, but I wont sit here and argue with you about its merits. LOL
This too is a good point to make - so much of that 'love of the automobile' comes mostly from Kaz's interactions with it, specifically within the last decade (and coincidentally the point where things entered the Long Dark for the GT series) and how much of that love is mostly wrapped up around ownerships and ideals of car ownership that really only come out in the circles that Kaz spends, which by this point is concours events. It is nowhere near the actual reality for 95% of the player base, and hell, is nowhere near the reality for 95% of people who love cars to begin with.
