Windows Vista, Mac OS X Leopard, & Ubuntu "Edgy Eft"

Which release are you looking forward to the most?

  • Windows Vista

    Votes: 38 42.7%
  • Mac OS X Leopard (10.5)

    Votes: 23 25.8%
  • Ubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft"

    Votes: 9 10.1%
  • None! I'm content with my current OS.

    Votes: 17 19.1%
  • Other (Fedora Core 6, SuSE 10.2, etc.)

    Votes: 2 2.2%

  • Total voters
    89
Well, "something bad" happened to one of my applications.



I expected a "There was an error in..." but I guess they're going for the more casual approach. I don't know what the problem is, but at least I know it was something bad. :lol:

At least you can get Vista RC1 to install... I can't even finish an install because it crashes to a BSOD after the first reboot. I think it's hardware related though or ISO burning related. system specs for the computer I'm attempting to get it running on are:

Athlon XP 2100+
MSI KT4V-L
512 MB PC2700
ATI 9600XT
Soundblaster Digital 5.1 Live!
450W PSU

Stop Code I get is 0x0000007E (0x80000003, 0x8143D47F, 0x80403C74, 0x80403970)

At this point, I'm thinking it may be my motherboard. The KT4V-L isn't the best mobo around, IMO. I've got a better computer that I could use but no free IDE cable connectors if I can't get it working on this computer setup.
 
Oh, for ****'s sake! The word "error" is too hard for the average person to understand, and has to be replaced with "something bad"??

Whatever happened to having skills? If you're too stupid to understand simple words like "error", you really shouldn't even be getting out of bed, because you're a danger to yourself and others.
 
Windows Vista Customer Preview Program

Microsoft has reopened their Windows Vista CPP. They are accepting new testers and are providing more evaluation serial numbers for those that did not receive one in June. More information at the Get Ready site.

If you don't have a serial number, get them now before the program closes.

GilesGuthrie
Oh, for ****'s sake! The word "error" is too hard for the average person to understand, and has to be replaced with "something bad"??

Exactly my thought, without all the anger :)
 
The system looks good enough to me for running the basic mode - so I think it's the motherboard or the burned DVD.

It actually was the videocard for some strange reason. It was crashing due to a fault in atikmdag.sys, which is an ati kernel module for vista.

I've decided to install it on my main desktop though. However, I've had no luck with that because I can't get it to boot off of a drive set as master on my secondary IDE channel or figure out why it won't boot. The installer says something like "This drive may not support booting. Please make sure that it's disk controller is enabled in BIOS."

I had it successfully installed once on my main system. Since then, I've had no luck getting it reinstalled. This is why I don't use beta software... I'm not impressed with Vista at all even if it is RC1.

EDIT: I figured it out... the drive partition wasn't set as active. I'm now running Vista.
 
Just saw this today:

Adobe, Symantec Complained to EU About Vista

According to a report in "The Wall Street Journal," Microsoft competitors Adobe and Symantec are behind recent European Union investigations into Microsoft's Windows XP successor, Vista. The two firms have lobbied the EU regulators to prevent Microsoft from shipping free features in Windows Vista that compete with products these companies now sell to consumers.

Adobe is complaining that Microsoft is offering technology that offers part of the functionality of Adobe's more powerful PDF format. What's different, apparently, is that Adobe charges customers to create PDF documents, while Microsoft's competing format, XPS (XML Paper Specification), is free. Adobe PDF is widely regarded as a de facto standard of sorts, thanks largely to Adobe's practice of giving away its Adobe Reader software, which can display, but not edit or create, PDF documents.

Symantec alleges that Microsoft's Security Center console in Windows Vista should be replaceable by third party software, despite the fact that Security Center can be populated with links to third party products, including Symantec's. Microsoft is even allowing third parties to brand Security Center with their own logos and icons. Symantec has also complained about a new security feature called Kernel PatchGuard that prevents software--malicious or otherwise--from altering the Windows kernel at runtime. In the past, security companies have been forced to patch the Windows kernel because so much malicious software does so as well. That process will not be possible in Windows Vista, which should make the system more secure. Symantec wants it removed.

What Symantec--and, ultimately, Adobe--is really worried about is that their gravy train is about to end. Symantec and other security firms will have enough opportunities with emerging electronic threats to keep them busy and profitable. But everyone wins when Windows gets more secure. As for Adobe, it's telling that this firm has yet to broadly ship a low-cost way to edit PDF files. If Microsoft's creation of XPS simply lowers the bar of entry into the PDF world, well, that too will benefit consumers.

Long time readers will remember how strongly I came down against Microsoft's IE bundling strategy. I still feel that those decisions were wrong and have served as the foundation for a decade of security vulnerabilities and customer pain that we're still experiencing. Adobe and Symantec's complaints, however, bear no relation at all to those of Netscape a decade ago. Today, Microsoft is doing the right thing for its customers. Frankly, it's about time.

:odd:
Dunno if this is new to anyone here but its new to me.
 
Unfortunately, that's a huge problem that Microsoft has to deal with. Everyone is crying out for more features, better security, and better Windows applications. When Microsoft attempts to deliver what people want, others accuse them of trying to monopolize the market.

I wouldn't have a problem with Microsoft bundling a full security suite, browser, media player, and other applications with Windows. As long as they are easily removable (unlike Internet Explorer in past Windows versions), it will give me a choice on the best product.

The only problem with this is, if it's bundled with Windows, most people will not look for alternatives, despite its superiority. For example, how many people still use IE6, even though it's been proven that browsers such as Firefox, Opera, or even IE7 is more secure and have better features?

Somehow, Microsoft has to compromise with those that demand the latest and greatest technology be implented in their operating system, and those that believe bundling Windows Media Player with Windows is illegal. This seems like an impossible task to me.
 
Updates:

* Windows Vista Build 5728 released to Microsoft Connect testers. This is a pre-RTM build and will not be the final build released to testers.
* Microsoft has launched a new website: See Windows Vista
* Ubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" Knot 3 was released last week. This is another alpha release. The first beta is expected in a week.

Here's an interesting article about the decision to remove (or at least hide) the menu bar (File, Edit, Tools, Help, etc.) in many Windows applications: What happened to the menu bars?
 
Tahnks for that link man. But I think im goigj to keep using Build 5600 since it hasstnt given me anyprobelms so far. 👍 :cheers:
 
Whew, I missed a lot during my absence.

For the Adobe and Symantec complaint, I find that absolutely BS. MS should have every right to offer their own services, charged or free, and not be complained about it.

And my computer's crapping out on me. This time on Windows XP :grumpy: :nervous:
 
Another wonderful Vista message.

nolongerworkingoj7.jpg

It's 'No longer working' which is odd. Considering I'm reading this message fine, and nothing has happened since I last got rid of that exact message you told me half an hour ago.

Although my mum would be the type of fall for this. 'OH MY GOD WINDOWS IS NO LONGER WORKING! IT SAYS SO! ARGGHH! TO USE WINDOWS I MUST ACTIVATE! ARGGHHH'
 
You know you can get an activation key right now, right? It'll save your mom from screaming "Windows is no longer working!"

And I apologize for my drunken response to Viper Maniac's post. :)

Edit: For those that have decided to test Vista, whether you're using the latest build (5728) or a past build: How is your experience so far? What problems have you run into?

I'm using Build 5600.

Problems:

* Occasional error message from AVG Free
* Explorer refuses to remember my view settings for each folder
* iTunes 7 has (very) minor UI issues immediately after launching the application
* Minor problems with WMP11 playing videos
* IE7 doesn't like my browsing habits (lots 'n' lots of tabs!); crashes
* A few programs didn't install correctly
* Firefox constantly asks if I want to set it as default. Doesn't remember that I said 'Yes'
* Thunderbird freezes when attempting to make it my default mail client; still usable, just annoying

Applications I haven't used so I don't know if they have issues:

Movie Maker
DVD Maker
Mail
Messenger
Meeting Space
Media Center
Photo Gallery (I've used it to open pictures, but not for organizing my collection)
Any of the games

I was very annoyed with my Firefox and Explorer issues. But instead of looking for a solution, I just reinstalled RC1 and my problems were fixed. As for my WMP11 and IE7 problems, I am now using FireFox, VLC Player, and iTunes so I don't have to deal with them anymore. So far, all the issues I've had with Vista have been very minor, and will not stop me from using it. How is everyone else's experience?
 
Can someone point me in the right direction in using Daemon Tools to install Vista? It says I have the image mounted but I can't figure out how to boot from the image like you would a normal OS CD.

I get this error when mounting the image:

"Setup cannot run on this version of the Operating System. To install windows please try booting from the install media."
 
* Firstly, does anyone have a solution to ICEman's Daemon Tools problem?

* If you can't get an application to install in Windows Vista, try turning off the User Account Control. I couldn't get DeepBurner to install but turning off the UAC did the trick. Don't forget to turn it back on right after installation, you might enjoy the freedom too much. ;)

* We've waited for so long, but the time is near. Microsoft will release just one more build (but not to the public) before the code goes gold. It'll be strange to see Vista as a final product.

* Ubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" Beta was released yesterday. I've downloaded the Desktop (Live) CD and everything looked good. At first glance, it doesn't look drastically different, but I've read that everything is faster, there's better wireless support, new applications/newer versions of applications, and many under-the-hood improvements. I won't be installing it until the final release, but I'll play around with the Desktop CD some more.
 
Can someone point me in the right direction in using Daemon Tools to install Vista? It says I have the image mounted but I can't figure out how to boot from the image like you would a normal OS CD.

I get this error when mounting the image:

"Setup cannot run on this version of the Operating System. To install windows please try booting from the install media."

What computer specs do you have? (Vista won't even install with under 512RAM) and the OS version.

I installed mine through daemon tools. I just mounted it as any other image. Started to install. You can't actually 'boot' straight from a daemon drive.
 
Just letting everyone know, I'm posting from 5728 on my desktop. Lookin good.. No big differences from 5600 that I can tell.
 
Just letting everyone know, I'm posting from 5728 on my desktop. Lookin good.. No big differences from 5600 that I can tell.

Burnout, what are you going to do now that MS is only releasing one more build? :lol: You seem to have tested them all!

Bring on Windows "Fiji" and Windows "Vienna!" :D
 
Burnout, what are you going to do now that MS is only releasing one more build? :lol: You seem to have tested them all!

Bring on Windows "Fiji" and Windows "Vienna!" :D
:dopey:

In the past few years, I've installed so many different operating systems, version of operating systems, beta, alphas... And it's really a sick thing to do as it takes quite a lot of time configuring each new OS installation. I've got it down to a science for configuring a new build of Windows though; 15 minutes, assuming the computer can keep up with me, and I'm back home.

With the Vista builds recently I've been installing them all next to an XP installation, so should anything arise..

Honestly, one they release Vista, and I consiquently get a legitimate copy of it (the company I co-own has an 'MS action pack subscription,' which in short legally gives us CDs and activation keys to over $25,000 in software - every year), I'll probably not use it as much. Right now it's a novelty, you know? Converstational piece if you will. Once it becomes more of a norm, with more and more people using it, I'll probably use XP more, at least for a while (until SP1 comes out for Vista, or whatever they're calling the equivalent).

Now, if only OS X fully supported my nVidia video card.. It gets sluggish when you have somewhat graphically intense applications open, duo the the lack of hardware support, and the graphics emulation the processor has to do.
 
^^^ :lol:

Anyway, is the final build to be called RC2?

Sounds like it. It will be released to a select-group of testers this Friday. It just won't be the same though. Vista will just be another operating system when it goes stable. Nothing to get excited about anymore.

@Burnout

Yeah, it's probably smart to wait for the first SP. As I've mentioned before, I won't be buying Vista for this computer. It's been fun testing it, but it won't be the same if everyone else has Vista :indiff:. I'll move on to tinkering with various Linux distributions as I did before Vista Beta 2. That is of course, until Microsoft opens up for testing once again.

I have no problem with things going wrong since all important files are on my iMac (and backed-up elsewhere). This computer is basically for testing purposes and probably won't see many stable operating systems in its time. Although it's funny that this is my only computer at school. If anything does go wrong, I've got computer labs downstairs.

Update

I will be providing lots of information about Ubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" in the near future, since I have seemed to ignore the fact that this thread is also dedicated to that release. It's less than a month away, so I better get to testing it and providing some information! I don't want to disappoint the five people that said they're looking forward to this one the most. :lol:

I will still continue to provide information on Windows Vista, as well as a final summary of everything you need to know before going out and buying a copy (or buying a new computer with Vista).

Mac OS X Leopard will be difficult to provide information on due to Apple's secretive nature, but surely we'll get the important details before it's released.
 
I will be providing lots of information about Ubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" in the near future, since I have seemed to ignore the fact that this thread is also dedicated to that release. It's less than a month away, so I better get to testing it and providing some information! I don't want to disappoint the five people that said they're looking forward to this one the most. :lol:

I will still continue to provide information on Windows Vista, as well as a final summary of everything you need to know before going out and buying a copy (or buying a new computer with Vista).
I was using the beta of that on my laptop. For a Linux distrobution, it's looking good, but then again, Ubuntu has always receiver high marks from me, in terms of Linux distrobutions.

The new OS X release is something I'm looking forward to. Aside from that, I'm more excited about Vista SP1 (what are they calling it? Fajita?) than Vista.
 
Even though I originally planned to wait until the stable release, I decided to install the Edgy Beta today. So far, there's not a huge difference in appearance, besides the fact that most applications have been upgraded. There's also new artwork, and everything is as polished as you would expect from the Ubuntu team.

I did notice a much faster boot time and shutdown process, which improves with every new release. I haven't touched the terminal in quite some time, so that will take getting used to, but I will play around with this beta some more and report back.

Edit 1 - Here's a funny story: I was trying to edit this post to comment on how I'm expecting a lot of crashing from applications and a few things breaking as I test it... and Firefox crashed before I could save :lol:

Edit 2 - So yeah, I'm using Vista again. :P I needed something more, stable?
 
RC2 has been released. From what I've read, nothing new or exciting.

I sure hope they do something neat with the RTM builds.
 
Thanks, Burnout 👍 And I was wrong, RC2 is available to the public! Here's a link for your CPP testers.

I sure hope they do something neat with the RTM builds.

I don't know if you think this is neat, but the RTM is rumored to feature "Motion Desktop," which is an animated desktop wallpaper. There are very few details, but I will keep you guys updated as more information comes in.
 
Thanks, Burnout 👍 And I was wrong, RC2 is available to the public! Here's a link for your CPP testers.



I don't know if you think this is neat, but the RTM is rumored to feature "Motion Desktop," which is an animated desktop wallpaper. There are very few details, but I will keep you guys updated as more information comes in.
Not sure if the Motion Desktop itself is all that neat, but if it's true that they're making it, then they're in the right frame of mind to make something I would find neat.
 
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