World Super GT Championship Season 3 Discussion
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Love the idea. Also came up with something today. How about we do a split championship? This is what I mean: we start off the first five races normally. Take points and everything as usual. But then after the first five weeks we can enourage new drivers to join the series at the half-way point without feeling like they won't get anywhere by starting a new points table.
It will be like a new championship starting half way through the season. The points table from the first five weeks will continue on as usual for the people that participated in the first few races but this new points table will also include them so new guys can really see how they would've done.
Then there'd be a full champion and a sort of "sprint series" champion, or it could (most probably) be the same guy!
Get what I mean?
Just thought it'd be an interesting way of getting those people on the fence to dive in to see how they'd really do. Should be a great way of defending against the stagnation in participation that inevitably comes half way through a long series.
It will be like a new championship starting half way through the season. The points table from the first five weeks will continue on as usual for the people that participated in the first few races but this new points table will also include them so new guys can really see how they would've done.
Then there'd be a full champion and a sort of "sprint series" champion, or it could (most probably) be the same guy!
Get what I mean?
Just thought it'd be an interesting way of getting those people on the fence to dive in to see how they'd really do. Should be a great way of defending against the stagnation in participation that inevitably comes half way through a long series.
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I get what you mean, sort of like a "Chase for the Cup" deal like in NASCAR. So basically, everything resets and the top drivers go to the playoffs. While the other drivers starts a seperate championship as some sort of consolation. I can see how attendance would be a problem though; in a sense that, what if someone is only available the first 8 weeks and not the final two?
Another idea: We rate everyone based on their divisional speeds before the season. Then there will be seperate divisional championship tables (division 1, 2, 3,....) but also an overall championships table.
EDIT: So basically, we will have separate classes in each Car Class (GT500 and GT300)
Firstly, once everyone has been relegated to their respective division after the Qualifier, they will also be labeled a 'Class'
We can either do 2 things
Another idea: We rate everyone based on their divisional speeds before the season. Then there will be seperate divisional championship tables (division 1, 2, 3,....) but also an overall championships table.
EDIT: So basically, we will have separate classes in each Car Class (GT500 and GT300)
Firstly, once everyone has been relegated to their respective division after the Qualifier, they will also be labeled a 'Class'
Class A, B, and C
Class A - Top 8 Speeds
Class B - 9th to 16th Speeds
Class C - 17th to 24th Speeds
Class D - depends on the number if participants
Class A - Top 8 Speeds
Class B - 9th to 16th Speeds
Class C - 17th to 24th Speeds
Class D - depends on the number if participants
We can either do 2 things
1. Driver Class and Driver Divisions are separate. You stay in your respective 'Driver Class' the whole season while you can move up and down the 'Driver Divisions'
2. Both coincides meaning when you drop down a division, you also drop down a class, or vice versa.
2. Both coincides meaning when you drop down a division, you also drop down a class, or vice versa.
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Another idea: We rate everyone based on their divisional speeds before the season. Then there will be seperate divisional championship tables (division 1, 2, 3,....) but also an overall championships table.
this is a good idea
this is a good idea
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- Paginas
Im in another series just like this idea, it works as you are always racing the same kind of skill racers. At end of season the top 2 drivers go up and bottom 2 go down.
HOWEVER i kinda like the way we got things now BUT it will stop the 1 lap wonders from getting higher than they should be.
For example im rubbish at 1 laps but i feel i have much better race craft to fight with the big boys lol e.g. my 12th place start at monza to 3rd place finish.
I know some of that was luck with people getting damaged etc but most of it was just keeping out of the way and just putting it good laps.
Anway im blabbing on, but its an idea
HOWEVER i kinda like the way we got things now BUT it will stop the 1 lap wonders from getting higher than they should be.
For example im rubbish at 1 laps but i feel i have much better race craft to fight with the big boys lol e.g. my 12th place start at monza to 3rd place finish.
I know some of that was luck with people getting damaged etc but most of it was just keeping out of the way and just putting it good laps.
Anway im blabbing on, but its an idea
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Looks awesome..
About the ballast. I think it's perfect as it is now. Sure, a bit more weight perhaps.. But on the other hand, it takes some time to get rid of it.. So all in all, I think the current ballast system is good.
But how do we handle it with the different divisions in mind?
Should a driver who gets relegated to D2 from D1 ba able to remove any possible ballast, or should he keep it? Does the winner of D2 get ballast, and will it follow him up to D1?
A lot of questions regarding ballast if you aske me.
Season 3 will be epic though.. 👍
And about the waitinglist:
Will the bottom 2 from D2 get relegated to the waitinglist? And if so, who will be first on the waitinglist?My suggestion is that it should be decided thru an on-line quali prior every week. So, the waitinglist guys will have to compete thru an on-line quali (Same method as we use now, or the "new" suggested method with 6 laps where the 4 best laps are put together.) to get the 2 relegated drivers spots in D2. I do think that the relegated drivers should be allowed to quali their way back instantly.
Participation:
If a D1 driver does not show for 2 rounds (with a reason or not, he'll automaticly get relegated to D2.. Same goes for any D2 driver, who'll be relegated to the waitinglist).
Each driver can miss one round, but will not be relegated. (A reason and a clear message about the absence is posted/PM'ed).
So, you can still miss out on 2 races, but not 2 races in a row.
In other words, if a driver in D1 miss a race without informing the stewards, he'll instantly move to D2 for the next week.
That's what I came to think of now...
About the ballast. I think it's perfect as it is now. Sure, a bit more weight perhaps.. But on the other hand, it takes some time to get rid of it.. So all in all, I think the current ballast system is good.
But how do we handle it with the different divisions in mind?
Should a driver who gets relegated to D2 from D1 ba able to remove any possible ballast, or should he keep it? Does the winner of D2 get ballast, and will it follow him up to D1?
A lot of questions regarding ballast if you aske me.
Season 3 will be epic though.. 👍
And about the waitinglist:
Will the bottom 2 from D2 get relegated to the waitinglist? And if so, who will be first on the waitinglist?My suggestion is that it should be decided thru an on-line quali prior every week. So, the waitinglist guys will have to compete thru an on-line quali (Same method as we use now, or the "new" suggested method with 6 laps where the 4 best laps are put together.) to get the 2 relegated drivers spots in D2. I do think that the relegated drivers should be allowed to quali their way back instantly.
Participation:
If a D1 driver does not show for 2 rounds (with a reason or not, he'll automaticly get relegated to D2.. Same goes for any D2 driver, who'll be relegated to the waitinglist).
Each driver can miss one round, but will not be relegated. (A reason and a clear message about the absence is posted/PM'ed).
So, you can still miss out on 2 races, but not 2 races in a row.
In other words, if a driver in D1 miss a race without informing the stewards, he'll instantly move to D2 for the next week.
That's what I came to think of now...
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I think its perfect too, maybe a bit more weight? As evident with Moleman 
he still dominates even with more than 90 kg (Remy_K too!). Also, i was thinking carrying the ballast to qualifyin as well? Or would that be unfair?
By the way, how do you like the divisions and classes idea?
he still dominates even with more than 90 kg (Remy_K too!). Also, i was thinking carrying the ballast to qualifyin as well? Or would that be unfair?By the way, how do you like the divisions and classes idea?
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Seems the field levels out pretty fast around 5th in qualifying. So with that it would make sense the tighter racing should be in Div. 2. So agree weight penalty would not be needed
I do think the NSX is a lil strong this season. I propose a 50kg weight penalty this brings the EPSON on board too.
I feel in the right hands it is potent on 75% of the races we do. And dominates several of those too.
I do plan to attempt one next season. Even with the 50kg I would be interested. I think that weight on the others gives them an edge on tuning. So tighter tracks may become closer.
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Seems the field levels out pretty fast around 5th in qualifying. So with that it would make sense the tighter racing should be in Div. 2. So agree weight penalty would not be needed
I do think the NSX is a lil strong this season. I propose a 50kg weight penalty this brings the EPSON on board too.
I feel in the right hands it is potent on 75% of the races we do. And dominates several of those too.
I do plan to attempt one next season. Even with the 50kg I would be interested. I think that weight on the others gives them an edge on tuning. So tighter tracks may become closer.
We still got some twisty tracks.. Monaco, Tsukuba, Laguna Seca, Nur GP/F, indiananapolis road are the tracks were the NSX will have a tough one.
Suzuka is a 50/50 track.
Nurburgring 24 h, La Sarthe, Monza, Fuji, and daytona road is where it got the upper hand..
But we have to wait and see ofc. This is just my assumption from my pre-season testing. I did throw in to the equation that the NSX is hard to drive though, so in the right hands, it's deadly.. But I'm really happy all NSX's are taken this season. Our diversity is great. So I don't think we should do any radical changes until we know the outcome of all races this season.
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Can we all agree that we should leave out Monza next season? Unless the draft is fixed, i don't think we should come back to that venue. Ever.
My Proposal:
1. Fuji - Mixed Class
2. Circuit de la Sarthe - Same Class
3. Tsukuba - Mixed Class
4. Nurburgring GP/F - Same Class
5. Laguna Seca - Mixed Class
6. Off-Week Spot Race Special Event
7. Suzuka - Same Class
8. Daytona Road - Mixed Class
9. Monaco - Same Class
10. Indy Road - Mixed Class
11. Nurburgring 24 Hours - Same Class
12. Off-Week Spot Race Special Event
13. Final Shootout! (Suzuka?)
My Comment: The longer tracks are better suited for same class racing since lapping cars rarely ever happen. 2nd half is a bit of jumble since track size are all pretty similar. I left out Monaco as a same class event; thought it would be awesome to see a full grid of same class cars in the infamous track.
Thoughts?
My Proposal:
1. Fuji - Mixed Class
2. Circuit de la Sarthe - Same Class
3. Tsukuba - Mixed Class
4. Nurburgring GP/F - Same Class
5. Laguna Seca - Mixed Class
6. Off-Week Spot Race Special Event
7. Suzuka - Same Class
8. Daytona Road - Mixed Class
9. Monaco - Same Class
10. Indy Road - Mixed Class
11. Nurburgring 24 Hours - Same Class
12. Off-Week Spot Race Special Event
13. Final Shootout! (Suzuka?)
My Comment: The longer tracks are better suited for same class racing since lapping cars rarely ever happen. 2nd half is a bit of jumble since track size are all pretty similar. I left out Monaco as a same class event; thought it would be awesome to see a full grid of same class cars in the infamous track.
Thoughts?
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La Sarthe must be mixed class - that's all I'll say.
Tsukuba Mixed sounds kind of awesome... But I'm just not sure. If it is in the calender I don't think it should sit in the early part of the season. It'll be a true test of race craft even more so than it already was in single class so it would do better in the later half of the season. Move Indy road up.
Nurb. GP/F should stay mixed.
I don't like Daytona at all, it should be replaced with Tokyo, we need another street circuit and I would even make a fictional flyer for it to make it even more legit. I mean come on, if real life Super GT (JGTC at the time) can do an exhibition race in Fontana California [which doesn't even have a permanent road rourse] I think we should be more adventurous and go for the awesome street circuit. The cars would look amazing flying around there! Reverse configuration would be even more amazing. Trust me, we wouldn't regret it.
The rest is pretty solid.
Tsukuba Mixed sounds kind of awesome... But I'm just not sure. If it is in the calender I don't think it should sit in the early part of the season. It'll be a true test of race craft even more so than it already was in single class so it would do better in the later half of the season. Move Indy road up.
Nurb. GP/F should stay mixed.
I don't like Daytona at all, it should be replaced with Tokyo, we need another street circuit and I would even make a fictional flyer for it to make it even more legit. I mean come on, if real life Super GT (JGTC at the time) can do an exhibition race in Fontana California [which doesn't even have a permanent road rourse] I think we should be more adventurous and go for the awesome street circuit. The cars would look amazing flying around there! Reverse configuration would be even more amazing. Trust me, we wouldn't regret it.
The rest is pretty solid.
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I think La sarthe should be "same class", its nice and all to do a mixed class race on a actual mixed class circuit but it just doesnt seem right racing only 7 people in your class.
Tsukuba mixed does sound cool but could lead to disaster HOWEVER we did it in a preseason race and it worked quite well with only a few minor incidents but i think that was because of some of the new guys etc
I think Ballast should be used for quali as it will make it more interesting instead of the same guy on pole each week in
Tsukuba mixed does sound cool but could lead to disaster HOWEVER we did it in a preseason race and it worked quite well with only a few minor incidents but i think that was because of some of the new guys etc
I think Ballast should be used for quali as it will make it more interesting instead of the same guy on pole each week in
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I agree with Paginas about Le Mans. It's just doesn't suit mixed class racing.
Tsukuba mix should be one of the more challenging mixed class race as it is very claustrophobic. I think Daytona is pretty decent, i guess i've grown to love it after spending hours and hours in that track competing in WRS (prologue days). As for fictional tracks: well, i've always never liked them. I rarely run them at all to be honest. I think the only fictional track i liked was midfield raceway. If the majority thinks we should add one, then im all for supporting it.
About the ballast. How about copying real life and adding weight based on your Official Qualifying spot? Podium Spots get additional weight for race day, but that weight will not carry over the next race. (Or should we??? I'm not really sure if they do in real life).
Race 1:
Driver A total weight 1000kg
Driver A qualifies 1st - 60kg added
Driver A raceday weight - 1060kg
Driver A finishes 1st - 60kg added for the next race
Race 2:
Driver A total weight 1060kg
Driver A qualifies 2st - 60kg added
Driver A raceday weight - 1120kg
Driver A finishes 1st - 60kg added for the next race
Race 3:
Driver A total weight 1120kg... so on, and so on..
You catch my drift?
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Tsukuba mix should be one of the more challenging mixed class race as it is very claustrophobic. I think Daytona is pretty decent, i guess i've grown to love it after spending hours and hours in that track competing in WRS (prologue days). As for fictional tracks: well, i've always never liked them. I rarely run them at all to be honest. I think the only fictional track i liked was midfield raceway. If the majority thinks we should add one, then im all for supporting it.
About the ballast. How about copying real life and adding weight based on your Official Qualifying spot? Podium Spots get additional weight for race day, but that weight will not carry over the next race. (Or should we??? I'm not really sure if they do in real life).
Race 1:
Driver A total weight 1000kg
Driver A qualifies 1st - 60kg added
Driver A raceday weight - 1060kg
Driver A finishes 1st - 60kg added for the next race
Race 2:
Driver A total weight 1060kg
Driver A qualifies 2st - 60kg added
Driver A raceday weight - 1120kg
Driver A finishes 1st - 60kg added for the next race
Race 3:
Driver A total weight 1120kg... so on, and so on..
You catch my drift?
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I'm definitely in the same class for La Sarthe camp
I also love Monza, yes it's a drafting track but because of that it offers and requires a different style of racing and racecraft and besides that it's no more of a drafting track than La Sarthe. There's just something not right about omitting somewhere like Monza especially when there's talk of introducing a fictional track.
Daytona Road is another track I enjoy and would be sorry to see go, especially if it was replaced with a fictional track.
That brings me onto the fictional tracks, I don't dislike them but there's not much I would choose above a real life track for a championship such as ours. Grand Valley Speedway is one, have done a number of gt500 races there and I think it's a fantastic track that has everything and provides great racing.
I wouldn't be against introducing somewhere like Tokyo but only as an addition as opposed to it replacing something else.
I also love Monza, yes it's a drafting track but because of that it offers and requires a different style of racing and racecraft and besides that it's no more of a drafting track than La Sarthe. There's just something not right about omitting somewhere like Monza especially when there's talk of introducing a fictional track.
Daytona Road is another track I enjoy and would be sorry to see go, especially if it was replaced with a fictional track.
That brings me onto the fictional tracks, I don't dislike them but there's not much I would choose above a real life track for a championship such as ours. Grand Valley Speedway is one, have done a number of gt500 races there and I think it's a fantastic track that has everything and provides great racing.
I wouldn't be against introducing somewhere like Tokyo but only as an addition as opposed to it replacing something else.
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Well, some people really prefer one from the other (I prefer the slower speeds of GT300) so i think its going to be a hard sell.
Idea:
We'll have an order of picking cars. Slowest times get to pick cars first.
Grand Valley is nice, but imo, we stay with real life tracks.
Idea:
We'll have an order of picking cars. Slowest times get to pick cars first.
Grand Valley is nice, but imo, we stay with real life tracks.
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Tracks: I'm with Masi on this one. I prefer real life circuits. I also want to keep Monza. But put it later in the season. Same with Tsukuba.
Imo, TokyoR246 is all about slipstream, so to rule out Daytona or Monza to be replaced by Tokyo246 is nothing I'd like to see.
If we want to use a "fictional" track, Grand Valley should be the only one that suits us.
And another track that would be cool to have is Madrid. A really tight track, and not much slipstream.
Rome is also a lot about slipstream.
Perhaps SSR5 could be an option.. 💡
So regardig tracks:
Monza: YES
Daytona: YES
Grand Valley: YES
Madrid: YES
SSR5: Maybee
Rome: NO
TokyoR246: NO
According to Masis suggestion, we're doing 10 rounds plus one final shootout (sptraces not counted for), and we got 11 real world circuits in GT5. So we got one track/round. However, I do like to have Suzuka twice as Masi suggested. And in that case, I'd like to remove Fuji from the calendar. It's a boring track, without any soul what so ever imo.
Same class / Mixed class: My suggestion:
Nurburgring GP/F: Same
Suzuka: Same
Tsukuba: Mixed
Monza: Mixed
Fuji F: Mixed
La Sarthe: Same
Monaco: Same
Indianapolis Road: Mixed
Daytona Road: Mixed
Laguna Seca: Mixed
Nurburgring 24h: Same
6 Mixed and 5 same class races.
Reason I want tracks like Monza, Fuji, Daytona as mixed is because the situations where a big pack slipstreams eachother (dangerous) will be reduced. Only reason I don't think La Sarthe should be mixed is because it's just to big to only run 7 cars / class imo.
Ballast: I think the system we use now is good, and should stay.
But if we use the proposed Division concept, I think that quali have to be done with ballast. It won't take you to a lower division, it will only make you start a few spots lower than usual, sort of speak.
Which class you participate in should be up to each driver to decide. I do not like the concept where the slower ones race in GT300's and the faster ones in GT500's.
Imo, TokyoR246 is all about slipstream, so to rule out Daytona or Monza to be replaced by Tokyo246 is nothing I'd like to see.
If we want to use a "fictional" track, Grand Valley should be the only one that suits us.
And another track that would be cool to have is Madrid. A really tight track, and not much slipstream.
Rome is also a lot about slipstream.
Perhaps SSR5 could be an option.. 💡
So regardig tracks:
Monza: YES
Daytona: YES
Grand Valley: YES
Madrid: YES
SSR5: Maybee
Rome: NO
TokyoR246: NO
According to Masis suggestion, we're doing 10 rounds plus one final shootout (sptraces not counted for), and we got 11 real world circuits in GT5. So we got one track/round. However, I do like to have Suzuka twice as Masi suggested. And in that case, I'd like to remove Fuji from the calendar. It's a boring track, without any soul what so ever imo.
Same class / Mixed class: My suggestion:
Nurburgring GP/F: Same
Suzuka: Same
Tsukuba: Mixed
Monza: Mixed
Fuji F: Mixed
La Sarthe: Same
Monaco: Same
Indianapolis Road: Mixed
Daytona Road: Mixed
Laguna Seca: Mixed
Nurburgring 24h: Same
6 Mixed and 5 same class races.
Reason I want tracks like Monza, Fuji, Daytona as mixed is because the situations where a big pack slipstreams eachother (dangerous) will be reduced. Only reason I don't think La Sarthe should be mixed is because it's just to big to only run 7 cars / class imo.
Ballast: I think the system we use now is good, and should stay.
But if we use the proposed Division concept, I think that quali have to be done with ballast. It won't take you to a lower division, it will only make you start a few spots lower than usual, sort of speak.
Which class you participate in should be up to each driver to decide. I do not like the concept where the slower ones race in GT300's and the faster ones in GT500's.
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You'll find out this Friday about Tokyo. I've had numerous successful awesome races there and the only part of the track where the draft comes into play is the straight, no where else. It's an extremely tight track racing line-wise so using a draft to overtake someone hardly ever happens unless you have a close gap coming out of the last turn. The kink in the middle of the straight also muffles crazy draft chasing.
But as I said, you'll see for yourself on Friday. It's a great track.
SSR5 would be awesome! I didn't know if you guys would go for the night thing but when I think about it it really wouldn't be a big deal. We can hype it up as the first ever Super GT race under the lights. I believe real life Super GT was looking at Singapore or something recently too. Would be awesome.
I'm still totally against Monza because of what happened this season. Throwing mixed class in won't help.
Daytona's... acceptable, but I still wouldn't mind throwing it out.
Throwing out Fuji would be really weird. I agree that it's a bad track but it just doesn't seem right not to use it.
Suzuka twice works well 👍
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1) We have pretty much the same thoughts on which should be same and mixed. I think Monza turned me off a little with all the incidents this week, so im a bit iffy on whether we should add it back. If i was to remove one track to make it even at 10, I'd say we take off Indy Road (So we can keep Monza).
2) I'm not too fond with SSR5 (hatred towards fictional tracks lol) but i do have memorable moments there back in GT3/GT4. Cars would look awesome at night specially with the lights on the track reflecting on the cars. If it was added, it should be a mixed class race. Then again, id still prefer all real world tracks.
3) Why keep Fuji? Well it's a mainstay in the real life Super GT, although i agree that it's a soul-less, boring track, i think we should keep it as an opening race. The wide run-offs gives a large margin of error in case newbies go amok and for the veterans feeling a little rusty.
Daytona should be a great mixed class track! The wide portions of the track are great for safely passing slower cars, and the very long, essentially a straight, last sector, could produce an awesome close finish. Theoretically i hope
So i vote yes, we should keep it.Proposal A (No Indy Road)
1. Fuji.............................Mixed
2. Circuit de la Sarthe........Same
3. Monza..........................Mixed
4. Nurburgring GP/F...........Same
5. Laguna Seca..................Mixed
6. Off
7. Suzuka.........................Same
8. Daytona Road................Mixed
9. Monaco.........................Same
10. Tsukuba......................Mixed
11. Nurburgring 24 Hours....Same
12. Off
13. Finals - Suzuka.............Mixed
Proposal B (No Monza)
1. Suzuka..........................Same
2. Laguna Seca...................Mixed
3. Nurburgring GP/F............Same
4. Daytona or Indy Road......Mixed
5. Circuit de la Sarthe..........Same
6. Off
7. Fuji................................Mixed
8. Monaco...........................Same
9. Indy Road.......................Mixed
10. Nurburgring 24 Hours.....Same
11. Tsukuba........................Mixed
12. Off
13. Finals - Suzuka..............Mixed
Proposal C (One Fictional Track)
1. Suzuka..........................Same
2. Laguna Seca...................Mixed
3. Nurburgring GP/F............Same
4. Daytona or Indy Road......Mixed
5. Circuit de la Sarthe..........Same
6. Off
7. SSR5................................Mixed
8. Monaco...........................Same
9. Fuji................................Mixed
10. Nurburgring 24 Hours.....Same
11. Tsukuba........................Mixed
12. Off
13. Finals - Suzuka..............Mixed
By the by, i really miss twin ring motegi! I'd pay $1 (no more, no less
) for PD to release that track as a DLC.
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I got another idea.. 💡
How about we move back to 150 km races from the 175 we are doing now.
And after the 150 km race, we do a sprintrace, 20% of the leangth of the 1st race with a grid start (False strart check). And to this race, we just rewerse the startingorder (no matter the results) for the 2nd sprint race. If you started as 14th car, you're pole for the sprint race. And hand out half the points compare to the longer main-race.
It should be an awesome opportunity for a driver who got DC's to re-connect, or suffered from bad luck and focus on the sprint race. It will also keep down any rage-quits as well.
Let's say we did Monza, 27 laps. 20% would be 5,4 laps.. round it up, and the sprint race would be 6 laps from a standing start with false start check enabled as previously stated.
Race day should take about the same time.
No one should be allowed to enter any menu between the 2 races, and we would do the same call out as for the first race (weight, pp, bhp). It would also remove the possibility to start the race with a non runned-in engine that increase the bhp during the race.
And since we'll keep the possibility to remove (I suppose) the worst 3 rounds, these two races combined will count as 1 round.
Sounds interesting?
EDIT: Oh, I forgot some input as well regarding the schedule. It's awesome to have a one week break. It gives us (Organizers, Admins and Stewards) a breather. At the moment, in season 2, I felt that this brea came in perfectly. It gives us some time to catch up with all the details. The pace is intense running this series, so it's only good to be able to calm down a bit. 👍
EDIT 2: Indy Road is a must, and should under no surcuimstance be removed imo. It's an amazing track, and we've had awesome battles here. Ist, 2nd and 3rd have finished within 2 seconds both times I've raced here in WSGTC.
How about we move back to 150 km races from the 175 we are doing now.
And after the 150 km race, we do a sprintrace, 20% of the leangth of the 1st race with a grid start (False strart check). And to this race, we just rewerse the startingorder (no matter the results) for the 2nd sprint race. If you started as 14th car, you're pole for the sprint race. And hand out half the points compare to the longer main-race.
It should be an awesome opportunity for a driver who got DC's to re-connect, or suffered from bad luck and focus on the sprint race. It will also keep down any rage-quits as well.
Let's say we did Monza, 27 laps. 20% would be 5,4 laps.. round it up, and the sprint race would be 6 laps from a standing start with false start check enabled as previously stated.
Race day should take about the same time.
No one should be allowed to enter any menu between the 2 races, and we would do the same call out as for the first race (weight, pp, bhp). It would also remove the possibility to start the race with a non runned-in engine that increase the bhp during the race.
And since we'll keep the possibility to remove (I suppose) the worst 3 rounds, these two races combined will count as 1 round.
Sounds interesting?
EDIT: Oh, I forgot some input as well regarding the schedule. It's awesome to have a one week break. It gives us (Organizers, Admins and Stewards) a breather. At the moment, in season 2, I felt that this brea came in perfectly. It gives us some time to catch up with all the details. The pace is intense running this series, so it's only good to be able to calm down a bit. 👍
EDIT 2: Indy Road is a must, and should under no surcuimstance be removed imo. It's an amazing track, and we've had awesome battles here. Ist, 2nd and 3rd have finished within 2 seconds both times I've raced here in WSGTC.
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Only thing I'd say about shortening the races is to make sure we don't lose the different tyre strategies, ending up in a situation where 1 stoppers are a no brainer would be a backwards step imo
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This really could work. I think we should get it fleshed out and start trying it for the pre-season for S3.
Good thinking man. A few of us in FMSC and such have considered doing the dual-feature latter sprint race before and we almost did it but we didn't do it at the last second.
It came to us from the way GP2 races are held. They do two races on the weekend, here's the rules:
We don't have to do the limited reversing since we'd only be running 14 drivers. (btw I notced Masi's talking having 16 drivers again for S3. I will only agree to that if there's a significant improvement in GT5's servers, if it stays as is, no way.) But yeah, awesome idea, I really do think it would get people to stop rage quiting and such and those that felt like they had bad luck in the race will have a chance at redeeming themselves right away.
I also agree with you in not removing Indy. Even though I hate lapping around it by myself it does usually provide good racing for us.
1) We have pretty much the same thoughts on which should be same and mixed. I think Monza turned me off a little with all the incidents this week, so im a bit iffy on whether we should add it back. If i was to remove one track to make it even at 10, I'd say we take off Indy Road (So we can keep Monza).
2) I'm not too fond with SSR5 (hatred towards fictional tracks lol) but i do have memorable moments there back in GT3/GT4. Cars would look awesome at night specially with the lights on the track reflecting on the cars. If it was added, it should be a mixed class race. Then again, id still prefer all real world tracks.
3) Why keep Fuji? Well it's a mainstay in the real life Super GT, although i agree that it's a soul-less, boring track, i think we should keep it as an opening race. The wide run-offs gives a large margin of error in case newbies go amok and for the veterans feeling a little rusty.
Daytona should be a great mixed class track! The wide portions of the track are great for safely passing slower cars, and the very long, essentially a straight, last sector, could produce an awesome close finish. Theoretically i hope
1) The only thing I feel bad about getting rid of Monza for is because it's an NSX track. If we do end up running it I hope that everybody will at least have learned from what happened to us in S2. Then it would hopefully be a better result, but I'd still want to see it stay same class. Mixed class Monza would be way too confusing and hectic.
2)I have nothing against fictional tracks, I think they're awesome and PD's the best at the them (Forza's fictional tracks on the other hand... yuk) so I love using them. The only ones I don't like running certain cars at is Deep Forest, Trial Mountain, SSR7 lol, HSR and Cape Ring (although I do like certain configurations). The others are brilliant for lots of cars.
3) Yeah I agree with you for sure.
Proposal D(One Fictional Track [SSR5 which, now that I think about it, would make up for Monza as an NSX track because of the huge straight nicely], Nurbugring GP right before the full Nurb. for an awesome back to back feature, 5 mixed class 5 same class - even, and what I think is a more rational track order.)
1. Fuji...............................Mixed
2. Suzuka..........................Same
3. Indy Road......................Mixed
4. Circuit de la Sarthe..........Same
5. Laguna Seca...................Mixed
6. Off
7. SSR5..............................Same
8. Tsukuba..........................Mixed
9. Monaco...........................Same
10. Nurburgring GP/F............Mixed
11. Nurburgring 24 Hours......Same
12. Off
13. Finals - Suzuka..............Mixed
By the by, i really miss twin ring motegi! I'd pay $1 (no more, no less
Guh!... hate that track with a passion...
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Correct me if im wrong, so for the next race D1 participants for the qualifying will be the D1 1st-6th finishers and D2 1st & 2nd finishers of the previous race (total of eight drivers); and D2 participants for the qualifying will be D1 7th & 8th finishers and D2 3rd-8th finishers of the previous race. In the event that somebody in D1 is unable to participate on race day, D2 qualifiers will move up to D1 (and subsequently D3 to D2).
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When and what times does the series start? I would be running a gt500 car
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