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Totally agree, I really want to buy a DDPro wheel for this game but to be honest the fact you have to start last every single race and sometimes up to 40 seconds or half a lap behind is just unrealistic for a game that touts itself as the real driving simulator. It sure as hell isn't the real Racing Simulator!! I really hoped they would fix this from Gt Sport but that and the Garbage Roulette spin rewards are just really lazy. Someone commented on this is how RNG works but the Roulette spinss are not Random, they are predetermined. This has been proven by many. WHy could they just not make this really RANDOM? Just 2 of the major things that are wrong with GT7
Wow! That's a really good post, and one I did not see before I posted this thread.
would it LITERALLY KILL the Polyphony developers to start us in any place other than last?
PD could make it easy on itself... 3 levels of difficulty..... Rank 1 AI vehicles then drive as fast as the average of the fastest 10,000 players. Rank 2 then as fast as the average of the top 1000 and rank 3 drives as fast lap times as the average of the top 100 drivers..... I would be amused...
Hard disagree. As a lowly D/C Class driver I found Sport mode frustrating. I'll never be as quick as an A or B so have to stick in the D and C races, where the standard of driving is appalling. It's just not fun to start a race where 50% of the field cannot make the first corner without spinning/going off/crashing into each other and then cheating in the race.
Maybe you’ll see improvement by racing real people that you won’t get from AI. There’s a skill to itself avoiding the chaos of DR E and once you’re up to DR C there’s actually some really good racing to be had. Accidents are usually just poor decisions rather than anything dirty and with some good racecraft you can take advantage.
In addition, if you start at the front of the pack or in the middle you can have 2 situations:
Okay, so now your plan is to have AI which are nearly as good as you snapping at your heels for an entire race. Which would mean that the slightest mistake by you would see the AI overtake you and you would have very little chance of catching up.
PD did try leaving out the career mode and had to backtrack and reintroduce it. So I do think there's a market for racing against AI cars.
I'm guessing you don't race in the D or C lobbies, this is every single race I am in. Blatant cheating and side swiping, people not braking for corners - we're getting off topic here but a better penalty system and better levels of Driving Standards would improve the online racing.
I started a 2nd account a couple of weeks ago and progressed through the lower lobbies. Most people seemed to drive as the single player mode teaches you but there were some fair racers in the mix too. Once in C things improved a lot as people knew how to get around the track at least.
I agree with that. I feel I’m a low C driver but struggle to stay in that class with some of the dirty drivers in other classes which drag me down again.
Yes, they are incompetent. I really belive nobody is playing the game like the true fans are doing. They get instructions from above, do their job, and probably playing another game on their spare time.
You are. 100% you are. It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact. That it's a fact is not my fault.
If you like playing against the AI, fine, no problem. I'm not saying people should not play the AI if they are enjoying it, but for the camp that thinks there is no point in multiplayer? They need a wake up call and embrace the fact that Single Player is simply not racing.
Don't confuse incompetence with directives. If the powers that be tell you to make the game as it currently is, the only choice is to do as you are told or quit and work elsewhere.
The first situation is partially solved by PD actually implementing tight restrictions in races, not just PP or nothing at all, and also making sure all cars are up to the limit. Don't even allow players to turn up in a car far faster than the AI. When I play pCARS they don't allow me to turn up to a Ginetta G50 race in an LMP.
Again. Difficulty scaler. It's not rocket science.
Shame it doesn't then. Every single race should let you choose how it starts. Every single race should allow you to choose difficulty from granny to competition quality.
Sure they can. See above. No fixed difficulty races, wide ranging difficulty selection. It's how other games have been doing it for many years.
How is setting an AI to lap a track at an average of 1:10 while you manage to average 1:09 enabled you to win, "gifting" me the win? That's how real racing works. When Max Verstappen overtook Charles Leclerc he wasn't gifted the win, he won because they were both giving it their all and Max was slightly faster.
So, the answer is to limit the fun? That is exactly what they have done by the way. By removing the handicap bonus, it's less fun to challenge myself with lesser cars.
It's called a power restrictor. If the race is still too easy, cut your power in half.
Every race? That's IMMENSELY tedious. Also, it does this already. Choose a faster or slower car. Done.
Again, already in the game. That someone choose not to use this feature to uphold their fiction is up to them.
I'm sorry, is that a typo? Maybe re-read it. "How is setting an AI to lap a track at an average of 1:10 while you manage to average 1:09 enabled you to win, "gifting" me the win?" Setting the AI to be slower than you means it is handicapped versus you, and ergo, you are being gifted a win.
Um, no, it's not at all.
Was Charles Leclerc artificially restricted to ensure that he was slower than Max? OR, were they "giving it there all" as you say? See, that's the difference. Even if Leclerc is handicapped, he is still doing his best in the situation. That may even require to back off and save the car to ensure gaining points to win the championship.
It's like you understand, but still don't quite understand.
Read again, I said the other way around in response to someone saying that you can easily walk over races. PD could easily make it so that you can't do that.
Why would I want to drive a car at half power?
What is tedious? How is choosing a faster or slower car in any way comparable to letting me choose between catch the rabbit and grid start? How is letting the user choose the difficulty instead of it being fixed to easy or hard tedious? It shouldn't be up the player to use trial and error trying to find a car that matches the fixed difficulty of the event. It should be a matter of setting a global difficulty that matches their skill, which is automatically applied to all races.
No, I'm not. I'm setting the AI roughly at my average pace and if I want to beat them, I've got to be at my best. If I don't manage the 1:09s, I don't win. It was also a very simple example, in reality an AI isn't programmed to robotically lap at a certain pace, they have a window. Same as I do.
Yes, and there are plenty of games where the AI also do their best. Not like GT.
No, I understand.
Right, and why can't an AI do that? They're not real humans, they don't know that they could lap at super times if they were programmed and allowed to do so. All they know is their ability as chosen by the player, and that's them giving it their all. They are not, in their "mind" letting the player win.
Yes but the AI can be built to make you work hard for that superiority. Again, in pCARS once I've set the AI at about my level I have to maintain that level or I won't win, and I'm fine with that. My win rate is something like 50%. If I notice I'm suddenly winning races with ease, I crank it up again. The competition returns again.
..in which case most people would get frustrated and turn the difficulty down. If they want to win easily, they'll turn it all the way down. If they want a really a challenge, they'll fine tune it until it's running around their pace.
They have, by taking a slower car
Why would you want to drive a car with double the power? The AI is handicapped, so handicap yourself to match.
This is literally possible now. You click on your profile, go to options, and change race difficulty.
No, there isn't. If the AI does it's best, they'll crush you like a bug.
It does this now.
This is where GT differs. None of the cars try to win. Even if they were se to only meet 50% of their ability, they should still be set to TRY to win. On this point, I agree.
This happens now.
On this point I agree.
It may sound like an esoteric point, but it is importantly different. The AI in GT is not set to try to win. It has an ability set by the difficulty, but they choice is a "hold station" so that the player always has someone to pass...a goal to achieve.
The difference here is philosophical between GT and pCars. GT is set up to always provide someone to pass. Almost everyone here is in agreement that the mainstream choice of having all AI try to win the race is a better choice.
Again, this is literally possible now by doing what GT has always done for 25 years and allow you to choose a more difficult car to win the race with. That is a pillar of the game.
Again, this is the current case.
What? How is that a solution to races allowing overpowered cars? People are saying that grid starts wouldn't work because people would choose overpowered cars and run away with an easy win. I'm saying that couldn't happen if PD put proper restrictions on the event.
Er, because that's the power the car comes with? Weird question. I don't want to drive a 300bhp Ferrari.
Except it doesn't affect all races, it says as much. It's also nowhere near granular enough.
We've already established we're talking about doing it's best to a set ceiling, not the absolute best. If I set the AI to medium, I expect it to run at medium 100% of the time. Not ease back to easy mid-race because I'm too far behind.
In very few races. In 90% of the races it's a rolling start with cars seconds apart.
Well yes, so I'm not sure what we're having this discussion for then. We agree.
Yes, that works for repeat playings but you can't do that in the first try. Most people will only play each race once, so the difficulty needs to be right to start with. Not realise after the first running it's too easy and you need to pick another car. Too late now.
Yeah forgot all about the having the right car to get the job done or you'll fail if you starting from the back, makes it so annoying that you then have to go find what the best car for the job and it's setup, than just picking a fairly suitable car getting a fairly goood qually position and enjoying the race, way the game is racing is just a chore to a means too money for new cars etc.
