Your love for Forza vs your disgust of MS...

[Tenacious D]

Honestly, the pricing is much worse then the DRM

$500 for the box that is frankly less appealing then the PS4 is really tough

Then theres the exclusive wheel, which will probably be minimum $150.

Thats $650 in the hole and you still havent bought Forza or a Xbox Live membership.

If you want the full Forza experience at launch it will cost you over $800 including Tax.

This was my bill to "jump in" with Forza 2. And then within seven weeks, my entire 360 Leet racing rig broke, even the hand controller. And I didn't get my original box back, as others reported, so MS must have had a steady stream of repairs and constantly shuffling refurbished units. I bought the fat PS3 when it was still $600, and haven't had a problem with it or any of my peripherals since. Seven years come July.

My Forza ride has been fun, sometimes in the wrong way, but it is telling that I went back to F4 (and GT5) over my PC sims, which seem rather sterile and uninvolving in comparison to both games, as good as they are.

But this... I don't know about this. I just don't care for the XBox game library. I wouldn't doubt that the only XBOne game I get would be Forza 5, and 6. The only other MS games I have, just a few, are SEGA games on the XBox one - err, 1. And I know certain people insist that all megacorporations are the same. But did that lovely piece of propagan - I mean, article I didn't bother to finish mention that MS will get a juicy cut of all the game resales? I don't begrudge a business making a buck, but Microsoft is SO insanely rich that they squirt billionaires out their... doors. The day that the head of SONY, Electronic Arts or McDonalds is the richest man on the planet, let me know. And the day SONY takes over an online mailbox and your junkmail just about doubles within a month, let me know that too. And the day that a company illegally updates your credit card info...

PS4 is the status quo? Sure, whatever.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Why even use anything that is connected to the Internet if its a big concern to you.

I have no problem with devices being connected to the internet. I do have a problem with a game console that does not operate without one. I have a problem with anything that has a required camera and microphone connected to the internet collecting and recording data from these devices and sending it back out over the internet every day.

There is no way of knowing for sure what that data would be used for but whatever they say they can change that at any time wihtout most of us even knowing it and assuming there is some way to remotely activate and access it then you would be buying a device that allows MS to see and hear what is going on in your living room as well as the government and potentially hackers.

If they offered it as an option then would be no biggie. If some games required a check in no biggie but when the system itself requires these things it is a biggie and a potential invasion of privacy then on top of that you are paying extra for a piece of hardware offering features that most of us do not want in the first place.

Imagine setting there in your living room, or bedroom never knowing if someone is currently watching, listening, recording you at the time and then think that you paid $500+ for this spybox to be there and another $60 a year to use it.

 

[eight6er]

I was going to buy an xbox360 and CSR Elite last christmas for forza, but the CSR got a huge price hike just before I placed the order, so I decided it was just too much money maybe I'll wait for the next gen.

You could just put tape over the cam and mic, but I still wouldn't by an xbone out of principle, so they lost a customer because of Fanatec and MS.

 

[HAL20XX]

Enough with this "spybox" garbage. Your smartphone likely has a camera. Your laptop likely has a camera. Either of those could easily (and have been) hacked into.

 

[Tenacious D]

Hal, I know the drill. But the difference is that we aren't afraid of our phone companies or service providers as we are a certain megacorporation which has been less than honest about its operating practices, and as I say, milking the public, business and government like a defense contractor might never do. They remind me a lot of a presidential administration we're suffering under in Amerika.

 

[HAL20XX]

On each of those devices you're likely running an OS by either Apple, Microsoft, or Google. I'm not sure how this is ANY different.

 

[phillgt2002]

I don't think you should try and reason with him.

 

[Imari]

Enough with this "spybox" garbage. Your smartphone likely has a camera. Your laptop likely has a camera. Either of those could easily (and have been) hacked into.

What are they gonna see on my phone camera, the inside of my pocket?

 

[Flaco13]

Ah, so it´s like we are already being covered by big brother so it doesn´t bother us anymore. Let MS spy on me through the Xbone, since they did it through my phone and laptop already...Jesus, seriously?

 

[I'm Motarded]

Ah, so it´s like we are already being covered by big brother so it doesn´t bother us anymore. Let MS spy on me through the Xbone, since they did it through my phone and laptop already...Jesus, seriously?

I Think the point is.....

....unless you're free of the spying devices you already have what difference would it make to your life?

Kind of like saying I won't eat milk and cereal, but I do eat cereal and milk.

What are they gonna see on my phone camera, the inside of my pocket?

What is the Kinect gonna see facing at the ceiling or a wall?

Have you ever sent a picture msg? Ever wondered where else that goes before it get to the final destination?

 

[phillgt2002]

Ah, so it´s like we are already being covered by big brother so it doesn´t bother us anymore. Let MS spy on me through the Xbone, since they did it through my phone and laptop already...Jesus, seriously?

Well, just realize that basically every piece of information that you give a website, company, or anything electronic will be storing your information in a database. As for the XB1.. are you really sticking around with that garbage coming from people?

Big brother.
Spying.

Why?

 

[HAL20XX]

The reactions to my earlier point just prove that people are making a special case for the Xbox One.

Let me put it another way:
- Your smartphone has all of the capabilities to spy on you: Not worried when you bought it.
- Your laptop has all of the capabilities to spy on you: Not worried when you bought it.
- Your Xbox One has all of the capabilities to spy on you: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't infringe on my privacy.

In other words, I'm accusing people of being hypocrites.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

The reactions to my earlier point just prove that people are making a special case for the Xbox One.

In other words, I'm accusing people of being hypocrites.

People having double standards & being hypocritical? Never.

 

[McLaren]

Hal, I know the drill. But the difference is that we aren't afraid of our phone companies or service providers as we are a certain megacorporation which has been less than honest about its operating practices, and as I say, milking the public, business and government like a defense contractor might never do. They remind me a lot of a presidential administration we're suffering under in Amerika.

Jesus, I've read some stupid things on this forum regarding the Xbox One, but you once again walk away with the award for the dumbest.

Yep, we're definitely more afraid of MS using a goddamn game console to "spy" on us than we are of our phone & internet providers turning over information. All this recent NSA news about tapping phone calls or monitoring web chat definitely doesn't compare to MS has in store of us.

 

[TokoTurismo]

^ Hey hey hey steam head calm down. Don't go calling someone dumb. >:\

 

[Tornado]

People having double standards & being hypocritical? Never.

Actually, people have explained several times in the Xbone thread and the console wars thread why the people worried about it don't consider the two situations to be the same thing. The fact that Microsoft has been almost laughably contradictory with almost every announcement they've made about the system and how aspects will work, with separate parts of the company saying completely opposing things, doesn't help.

 

[McLaren]

^ Hey hey hey steam head calm down. Don't go calling someone dumb. >:\

I didn't call him dumb. I called his statement dumb. Let's read next time.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I didn't call him dumb. I called his statement dumb. Let's read next time.

Ohh, than my apologies. I misunderstood.

 

[McLaren]

Ohh, than my apologies. I misunderstood.

Believe me, if I wanted to go that far, you'd know by the "banned" in my user title.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Believe me, if I wanted to go that far, you'd know by the "banned" in my user title.

Haha, imagine that.

 

[Tenacious D]

Jesus, I've read some stupid things on this forum regarding the Xbox One, but you once again walk away with the award for the dumbest.

Yep, we're definitely more afraid of MS using a goddamn game console to "spy" on us than we are of our phone & internet providers turning over information.

Mac, the spying thing is just a small part of the problem with me. I've been referring to The ONE as the Leashbox, not the Spybox. I'be come across more than one person online recommending to never give a certain company your credit or debit card number. Guess which one. And no, not so they can drain your bank account, at least not illegally.

And remember, I didn't come tearing in to this thread waving my fonts around and declaring that I'd never buy The ONE, so kindly don't put text under my fingers.

And Slip, I think you're being a little arbitrary...

 

[McLaren]

Mac, the spying thing is just a small part of the problem with me. I've been referring to The ONE as the Leashbox, not the Spybox. I'be come across more than one person online recommending to never give a certain company your credit or debit card number. Guess which one. And no, not so they can drain your bank account, at least not illegally.

Woosh! That's the sound of the point going over your head.

People are not more afraid of a company using a game console to "spy" on them over their phones & internet.

And remember, I didn't come tearing in to this thread waving my fonts around and declaring that I'd never buy The ONE, so kindly don't put text under my fingers.

I never said you wouldn't, but holy crap, could you blame anyone for believing you wouldn't based on the sheer disdain of the company you obviously show?

 

[Tenacious D]

Mac, it's really hard to think of a company which is held in even lower regard by many than lawyers and Congress.

Anyhow, gotta let my Leet finish this race and take a nap before I go to work for "his holiness."

 

[McLaren]

Mac, it's really hard to think of a company which is held in even lower regard by many than lawyers and Congress.

Ten, it's really hard to think of a person which makes up even more bs about a company than you.

Please take your agenda & go back to the GT forum. We all know you're biased as hell.

 

[Imari]

I think the difference for me between phone/laptop and Xbone is that a phone/laptop *could* be used to spy on you, but in normal circumstances it isn't. The Xbone is watching everything you do, but MS promises not to use the information for anything nasty.

It's just that one step closer to the line that's not as comfortable for me. Shirt and shorts I'm OK with, but the mankini is just a little too much for me, even if it's still technically "decent".

 

[Samus]

Mac, it's really hard to think of a company which is held in even lower regard by memany than lawyers and Congress.

FIFY. I know you hate Microsoft and all but really, don't pretend they're publicly disliked any more than any other similar huge company.

I'be come across more than one person online recommending to never give a certain company your credit or debit card number. Guess which one. And no, not so they can drain your bank account, at least not illegally.

So you found a few tin foil hat wearers on the internet and that means the whole world thinks they're evil and doing evil things with our details? Personally If I was going to be worried about giving my card details out it'd be to the company that had credit card data hacked, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Wolfe]

There's a difference between expecting Microsoft to spy on you, and feeling unsettled about Kinect's capabilities. Frankly, Kinect ranks at the bottom of my concerns with the XBone, but I agree with the Indigo one's distinction between privacy on the internet and privacy with the XBone and Kinect:

It's quite an ideological gulf. What you choose to look for on the internet being used to build a profile of your browsing habits and interests by the sites you visit (noticed the new warnings about cookies on websites recently?) is voluntary. Kinect has the potential to do the same thing with your involuntary emotional responses to stimuli - and only to Microsoft (and the NSA ). It's not just selling the personal data you volunteer, but what you're thinking (facial recognition plus heartrate plus emotional state gets you 95% of the way there, even if it's shy of the exact thoughts; it's almost a polygraph) - and no, they don't have that right.

Your internet browser knows what news stories you've read. Kinect has the potential to know if you're sympathetic to an extremist group, angry at your head of state or attracted to children by your involuntary responses to the news stories you've read...

...It's unclear what Kinect will be permitted to do (which in itself is a concern). It may be that it's just going to be used to allow you to interact better with your console but it has the potential to do all of the above.

...MS need to clarify just what Kinect can do and what it will be allowed to do.

 

[Flaco13]

The reactions to my earlier point just prove that people are making a special case for the Xbox One.

Let me put it another way:
- Your smartphone has all of the capabilities to spy on you: Not worried when you bought it.
- Your laptop has all of the capabilities to spy on you: Not worried when you bought it.
- Your Xbox One has all of the capabilities to spy on you: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't infringe on my privacy.

In other words, I'm accusing people of being hypocrites.

My phone has all the features I want from it... I can make calls with it!!! As you can see it´s not a Smart-phone, it doesn´t even have a internet connection. And the camera is on the back, the side it is usually lying on if it isn´t in my pocket.

On a Laptop you have control over the camera settings, turning it off shouldn´t be a problem even for none-specialists (I taped up the camera just for the picture, I´m not that paranoid but the camera is turned off) And, of course, unlike the Xbox One, the Laptop continues to work online without a camera connected.

 

[FosterG]

Hal, I know the drill. But the difference is that we aren't afraid of our phone companies or service providers as we are a certain megacorporation which has been less than honest about its operating practices, and as I say, milking the public, business and government like a defense contractor might never do. They remind me a lot of a presidential administration we're suffering under in Amerika.

To the last sentence in your statement, I am reminded of something Cheney said when he was asked about all the casualties in the middle east, he said "so." this a game forum, a game forum my friend.

 

[ImaRobot]

My phone has all the features I want from it... I can make calls with it!!! As you can see it´s not a Smart-phone, it doesn´t even have a internet connection. And the camera is on the back, the side it is usually lying on if it isn´t in my pocket.

You are still connected to a wireless network.

On a Laptop you have control over the camera settings, turning it off shouldn´t be a problem even for none-specialists (I taped up the camera just for the picture, I´m not that paranoid but the camera is turned off) And, of course, unlike the Xbox One, the Laptop continues to work online without a camera connected.

Oh you mean like how you can turn off the camera for the Xbone?

So are you trying to prove that its not like the Xbone or that it is? From the sound of it, the main difference I see is the 24 hour check in. Your laptop, like the Xbone, can not remove the camera from the hardware, so you are still connected 100% of the time.